2015.12.01 Sievers' husband hired killers, investigation shows

[irishchook]

That was me! I should be clear that my knowledge of hammers and motorcycles only comes from knowing that a certain motorcycle gang uses the ball peen hammer as a weapon of choice.

However, I do agree with your husband - ball peen hammers are commonly used to manipulate mental, which is why I'm guessing the ball peen is a weapon of choice for motorcycle gangs - because it has a practical purpose and a criminal use. If I had to guess, I would think the hammer could be used to remove dents from the motorcycle, but there are probably much better methods.

Figure 3-29 The ball peen and dead blow hammers are among the most commonly found tools in a motorcycle technician's toolbox. https://books.google.com/books?id=i...onepage&q=ball peen hammer motorcycle&f=false

Craftsman Ball Pein Hammer Description from Sears:
Select the Craftsman 4 oz. ball pein hammer for peining or shaping unhardened metal. It's the ideal hand tool when fabricating pieces to repair lawn and garden tractors, cars, trucks, motorcycles and more. The ball pein hammer is designed to pein or shape metals that have been welded or riveted together to create joint flexibility that allows for repair. This Craftsman ball pein hammer also is ideal for reshaping and removing dents from metal.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-4-oz-ball-pein-hammer/p-00938461000P

Funny. Wasn't trying to discredit you. Just thought I'd clarify. :hugs:
Btw: glad you're back

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[creepingskills]

Okay, so three hammers? Two on scene that LE referred to on July 1 when MS couldn't confirm nor deny if they were his. And the third, found in JR's possession weeks later.:scared:

 

[PeskySlueth]

Do you know if DCF physically has the kids yet or are they just now involved? it would have been difficult legally to have gotten them with no arrest.

There was a case near where i lived in NC in the 80's. The murderer(s) were Suzie Lynch and her cousin, Klenner, and they were lovers. They had her 2 sons, ages 6 & 8. After the tragedy everyone asked LE, 'WHY didn't you get those kids AWAY from them before you arrested him? LE was crying at the press conference and said, 'We ALL TRIED but he wouldn't give them up - wouldn't let them out of his sight.'

When they saw them all driving away, LE went after them (the little boys in the back seat) and Klenner blew all 4 of them up.

I'm so SO concerned for those girls. It doesn't seem like MS is letting him out of his sight.

 

[creepingskills]

Funny. Wasn't trying to discredit you. Just thought I'd clarify. :hugs:
Btw: glad you're back

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It was a great clarification, irishcook! I was only posting to say that my statement re: hammers and motorcycles wasn't based on any knowledge of actual motorcycle maintenance, your hubby's insight is more valuable than mine! I only know that they can be used to remove dents because of Sears.:dunno:

 

[dmac55]

there is a lot of information in this:
(i believe most of this thread is referencing it)

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2630726-investigative-report-teresa-sievers-case.html
Investigative report: Teresa Sievers case

 

[irishchook]

It was a great clarification, irishcook! I was only posting to say that my statement re: hammers and motorcycles wasn't based on any knowledge of actual motorcycle maintenance, your hubby's insight is more valuable than mine! I only know that they can be used to remove dents because of Sears.:dunno:

Ahaha. The DH only chimes in when needed.

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[irishchook]

Sorry i'm playing catch up on the threads and had to skip to the end to ask about the girls. any word on where they are?

No biggy. Read the docs first before getting rambled up with the WS posts and you'll be fine.

Start out with the 14 page doc to get caught up:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8c2wwajhOX1c0b00/view

Then there's a 33 page doc:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8dFlwNUx5eExhZ2s/view



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[observation]

^^^ Yep, after all he is a lying, liar who lies.

His (scrub) pants are a blaze!


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[irishchook]

His (scrub) pants are a blaze!


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Ah haha. "pants on fire."

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[beach]

I think that initially, MS contacted his mother to go over but told her not to bother once the friend was en route. Would be interesting to know how the chain of events unfolded. Did BS not answer her phone at first, so MS called the friend? Or did MS want to spare his mother the horror, and decided to call the friend and tell BS to go home?

I think the latter.

I think he probably had already figured out what flight he wanted to take home. When he couldn't get in touch with his mother it was going to throw off his plans if he had to delay the discovery of her body. He was probably irritated and called Dr. P so things would be on schedule. It's Mark's world, ya know.

I know that sounds awful and I freely admit I am feeling very jaded today. I think that arrogant jerk was only concerned about himself. I don't think he wanted to have to stay a minute longer than he had to in CT. I don't think he was concerned about his mother or Dr. P. I don't think he cares about anyone but himself.

 

[LvsAMystry]

This may be more of a question for the legal thread, but since it pertains to the released documents I'll mention here - does anyone else worry that the release of this information and it's implications before an arrest/charges and possibly before a grand jury has met (if not in process already) could cause problems? Someone tell me there's no need for concern.

Eta to clarify I'm talking about fielding a GJ etc without issues being raised due to the amount of info now out for public consumption

 

[observation]

This may be more of a question for the legal thread, but since it pertains to the released documents I'll mention here - does anyone else worry that the release of this information and it's implications before an arrest/charges and possibly before a grand jury has met (if not in process already) could cause problems? Someone tell me there's no need for concern.

Since I don't believe there is a real hard answer on your question, I'll go out on a limb and say anything is possible with MS. Lots of posters with the same concerns. I'm just glad that Protective services is aware of the implications from the document release and the safety of the two innocent beautiful little girls.


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[concernedmother]

there is a lot of information in this:
(i believe most of this thread is referencing it)

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2630726-investigative-report-teresa-sievers-case.html
Investigative report: Teresa Sievers case

One thing that stood out to me was MS telling LE there was about $40,000 in the safe but they lived month to month. Question is, was someone stockpiling money and was there more money that was in the safe to pay someone cash to get the job done?

 

[irishchook]

This may be more of a question for the legal thread, but since it pertains to the released documents I'll mention here - does anyone else worry that the release of this information and it's implications before an arrest/charges and possibly before a grand jury has met (if not in process already) could cause problems? Someone tell me there's no need for concern.

I'm not a lawyer, but you have a point. As we know, the Casey Anthony trial was a disaster having taken place in the same state (FL).
IMO, I think SMS does not want a repeat of that case and (hopefully) is doing everything in his power to dot the i's and cross the t's.
Not only is his reputation at stake, but I get the sense that he personally cares about the case. SMS knew her, personally, from a function/charity they did together and maybe saw what most of TS' friends/patients/family saw in her.

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[KateB]

Top question: Will Mark Sievers be arrested?
8:01 p.m. EST December 2, 2015
http://www.news-press.com/story/new...odgers-estero-bonita-springs-doctor/76669924/

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said he could not comment about Mark Sievers' role, but said the investigation is ongoing.

“If they look at the total body of work it’s pretty clear we’re being very thorough,” he said but added that there are reasons for everything that is done and not done.

“The problem is we can’t discuss those reasons,” said the sheriff, who is on personal trip to Tennessee.

“We have a group of people who did so much planning on the crime itself but never planned what to do if they got caught. They were very methodical and crafty,” he said. “But there was no plan B.”

On the release of the public records Tuesday, the sheriff said he was glad the thousands of pages of documents came out.

“That information in the public realm, that’s not all,” he said.

more at link. (bbm)

 

[LvsAMystry]

Since I don't believe there is a real hard answer on your question, I'll go out on a limb and say anything is possible with MS. Lots of posters with the same concerns. I'm just glad that Protective services is aware of the implications from the document release and the safety of the two innocent beautiful little girls.


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Thank you, I agree there are so many areas of concern, most of which there are no real answers for. I was speaking more toward will all this info being out complicate getting an arrest and or charge in place.

 

[No it's not]

Question: Is LE looking for something more concrete to file charges against MS? I am having a hard time understanding why he is not behind bars. I get the Grand Jury part, but LE has had this info for awhile, so why hasn't the evidence been presented before now? MS is a liability and needs to be arrested stat.

What exactly is the hold up? TIA

The last few times I remember SMS saying that there was so much evidence in the case still being processed as he spoke! While this certainly would not be the sole reason for the hold up, it would surely contribute to it.

-Nin

 

[FelicityLemon]

And also the statement from JR's girlfriend, who seems to be the only one out of the whole group with any moral compass.

My very strong opinion is I don't believe the gf has much of a moral compass at all.

She also had no problem with the idea that her boyfriend "was going with CWW to steal computers and high-end antiques" because she'd be getting a van afterwards. She also started a second fundraiser explaining that she had to move "due to something tragic happened to her boyfriend".

I do believe she was terrified knowing what JR and CWW did and what might happen to her and was relieved when LE questioned her. I don't recall her picking up a phone to drop a dime - even anonymously. She may have done it eventually, hopefully.

On the other hand there are two women with strong moral compasses, one of whom awesomely and selflessly started the ball rolling by contacting LE with her suspicions, CWW's name and some facts. It certainly couldn't have been easy for AW's mother, either. Strong women. Awesome.

 

[KateB]

Also, posted in the LE statements & interviews thread:

DCF now involved in Sievers murder investigation
December 2, 2015
http://www.winknews.com/2015/12/02/dcf-now-involved-in-sievers-murder-investigation/

Sheriff Scott speaks
“Just because Mark Sievers is not under arrest does not mean he’s not going to be arrested,” Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said. “Our timeline is typically different from general curiosity and the general curiosity of the public and certainly any other deadlines assigned by media or otherwise.”
Scott added there’s more to the case than what was presented in court documents.
“Look how patient we’ve been thus far,” he said. “Look at how this thing unfolded and how methodical and patient we’ve been. All the while in the face of the community and media and others saying ‘OMG’ what’s taking so long?”
Mark Sievers has always been in the “envelope of suspicion,” said Scott, who added that the case is not over.
“So it’s an active and ongoing investigation and we’re not bashful about making an arrest,” he said. “We have no problem arresting people, but we do so when the time is right, particularly in a case like this. There’s a great deal at stake and we want to make sure everything is correct.”

 

[concernedmother]

Also, posted in the LE statements & interviews thread:

DCF now involved in Sievers murder investigation
December 2, 2015
http://www.winknews.com/2015/12/02/dcf-now-involved-in-sievers-murder-investigation/

Sheriff Scott speaks
“Just because Mark Sievers is not under arrest does not mean he’s not going to be arrested,” Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said. “Our timeline is typically different from general curiosity and the general curiosity of the public and certainly any other deadlines assigned by media or otherwise.”
Scott added there’s more to the case than what was presented in court documents.
“Look how patient we’ve been thus far,” he said. “Look at how this thing unfolded and how methodical and patient we’ve been. All the while in the face of the community and media and others saying ‘OMG’ what’s taking so long?”
Mark Sievers has always been in the “envelope of suspicion,” said Scott, who added that the case is not over.
“So it’s an active and ongoing investigation and we’re not bashful about making an arrest,” he said. “We have no problem arresting people, but we do so when the time is right, particularly in a case like this. There’s a great deal at stake and we want to make sure everything is correct.”

I think there will be someone else arrested along with Mark. jmo