25 October 2011 Main Stream Media coverage of Baby Lisa

[secretagent]

She was a sole caretaker. She doesn't have a legal drivers license. She didn't have a working phone either-or so we have been told. She got drunk, by her own admission, and doesn't even know if she checked on the baby. I guess what what I am trying to say is: what is reasonable to you does not sound reasonable at all to me.

So what. She doesn't have a legal drivers license = she wasn't driving anywhere, so that's irrelevant.
How frequently should she have checked on the baby what's the recommended increment of time?

 

[davehead21]

No, not because the parents are unmarried. Because DB is married to one man and living in an adulterous relationship with a different man. Though they wouldn't be thrilled that the parents were living together outside of marriage either, now that you mention it. They would probably be shunned to some degree for that, but the fact that DB is married, yet living with different man, would not be accepted. They might let the kids into the school, but certainly would exclude the parents from full church membership and they certainly would not provide $$$ assistance or scholarships to the kids.

Interesting. I went to Catholic school from preschool until I graduated from high school and the marital status of the parents wasn't even taken into account. I went to school with kids who had all kinds of "interesting" home situations-- one of whom I know was in the exact same situation that DB's child is (mom married to dad but living with another man). No one was shunned, at all. And here, anyone can become a member of a Catholic church but if they are not baptized into the church or are not in good standing with the church, they are not allowed to participate in the sacraments but are still considered a member of the church.

 

[In da Middle]

Wow, interesting.

Was this before or after Jersey's photo was shown to the neighbors and appeared in the media as possibly connected?

The timing is everything here. If he identified a photo of Jersey before he was arrested and a mugshot was online to look up, then there is a lot of weight in his statement. The timing is that it is very possible that he did this before the arrest. Jersey was arrested about a week after the disappearance.

 

[LancelotLink]

What a good way to draw attention to the aimless convict/handyman...right from the start.

Does anyone know when the first time we learned that JI ran across the street to call 911 or find Lisa.

 

[Abby Normal]

I believe it was reported early on that the boys were in private school.

Priorities. I guess some people put higher value on their kids getting a private school education, and not as much on paying their cell phones.

If paying for private Catholic school, in your opinion, is a sign of being "upright" - then so be it. They're upright.

I know A LOT of people who live paycheck to paycheck and have their kids in Catholic, Montessori, or University Model schools. It's a lifestyle choice. Instead of living paycheck to paycheck for a bigger house- you choose education as a priority.

I don't think it's a sign of anything.

Besides- in areas where Catholic schools aren't in huge demand (no huge waiting lists) they are often subsidized by the congregants. Meaning- they state the tuition, but if you are a member who can't pay- they figure out what you can pay and they make it work. At least the last two areas I've lived have had Catholic schools that worked that way. They do not like to turn their own members away.

JME.

 

[In da Middle]

I wonder if it's a variety on "mass hysteria" - people thinking they saw something but they didn't. A psychlogical effect. Picking Jersey as the baby carrier because he's the one who got mentioned in the media initially and has that "weird" reputation.

Still, hope LE checks/checked all these sightings.


All my opinion :twocents:

This is why it was very good judgement as to why Jersey's photo was not public knowledge. Sightings would be 'pure'.

 

[jjenny]

The motorcycle guy didn't contact police for "about a week."

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Call me jaded but IMO that statement was pure spin to make them look better. Perhaps if some benefactor stepped up and offered to pay the tuition they would send the kids on their merry little way.

It wouldn't matter if someone paid for a year in advance at our Catholic or Christian schools. The children would not be enrolled due to the immoral/adulterous behavior of DB and JI.

At our church they would be offered counseling.

 

[jjenny]

So what. She doesn't have a legal drivers license = she wasn't driving anywhere, so that's irrelevant.
How frequently should she have checked on the baby what's the recommended increment of time?

So what? What about any sort of emergencies? A cold in a young child can lead to something more serious.

 

[Ronso]

I have only 2 children so evidently you have 200 % more knowledge and insight, but if someone had not taken her child, no one would have been hurt by her having alcohol.

She doesn't remember locking the door (and it's said that the door was unlocked), there was a window left open... how are any of us to say nothing would've happened? One of those boys could've woken up before her (you know since those who pass out drunk typically have to "sleep it off"), walked outside and around the neighborhood. She incapacitated herself. My children have woken in the middle of the night on numerous occasions. If I didn't make sure my doors and windows were locked, and I wasn't SOBER and AWARE of my surroundings, I couldn't say for certain whether or not something would happen if I were too drunk and passed out to know what was going on around me.

 

[secretagent]

My daughter was in Catholic school K4-8th grade. Tuition was $8000 a year, so all told I spent $80,000 on tuition. They give you a break on a 2nd child, so that one would be around $6000 per year. That's $14,000 a year just in tuition for two kids. Add another $1000 for books, supplies, and uniforms each year for each child and that's $16,000. And you're right, they do not provide bus or transporation service and yes, you have to contribute $$ to the parish every Sunday. How is someone who can't even afford to pay their cell phone bill going to send their two children to Catholic school????

You are talking about your specific parish. I happen to know plenty of people in a variety of relationship arrangements who attend mass, have children attending mass and catholic school. <modsnip>

 

[Bemsmom]

And yet she left the window open and doesn't know if she locked the door. On the night her husband was not home. That doesn't strike me as someone so concerned about personal safety.

Ding ding ding! Winner.

We keep 2 guns and a baseball bat by our bed, but leave windows and doors unlocked and make sure all the internal doors are closed so we can't hear a stinking thing if someone does decide to break in!

^^^ This is a PSA on what not to do if you are concerned about a break-in.

 

[In da Middle]

Didn't the female witness, Lisa, say the man she saw carrying the baby was bald? I barely remember Jersey's mug shot, but I don't recall him being bald.

AND, if these people are familiar with who Jersey is, why the he&& wouldn't they go up and ask him whose baby he was carrying? He seemed to be pretty well known around the neighborhood.

He wasn't 'well known' to the neighborhood. Only to a few. Most in my end of the subdivision had never seen him.

 

[jjenny]

He wasn't 'well known' to the neighborhood. Only to a few. Most in my end of the subdivision had never seen him.

But police was showing his photo around. I am really curious as to when motorcycle guy actually did come forward, and what made him finally see a connection. When was that $100,000 award offered?

 

[JustClaire]

“We had a talk just yesterday about her wanting to provide the kids a Catholic education, and how important that would be to her,” Short said.


That seems like they re asking for scholarships...... otherwise WHY put that in there????

I completely AGREE. Sounds like they are asking for sympathy in the form of CASH. Even that last line about them living "paycheck to paycheck". What's that got to do with it?

By the way, EDUCATION begins at home. If I wanted to raise my kids with a good CATHOLIC education, I might not want them to see me living in an adulterous relationship & having a baby with my lover/boyfriend/fiancee while I am still married to my husband! YIKES!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So what. She doesn't have a legal drivers license = she wasn't driving anywhere, so that's irrelevant.
How frequently should she have checked on the baby what's the recommended increment of time?

According to her, she had no phone that could make outgoing calls, either. So, again, let's review:

1. A mother left in the sole care of 2 small boys and a sick infant.
2. She can not legally drive.
3. She has no way to call out in an emergency.
4. By her own admission, she was DRUNK (and may have even passed out).

Let's assume for a moment there was a fire. Let's assume for a moment that one of the children fell down and split their head open. You honestly do not see a problem with this "drunk, can't drive, can't call out on the phone" scenario?

Really?

 

[Abby Normal]

That's how I took it too...that it would mean alot to her if the boys could be put in catholic school.

So, if they weren't in catholic school before, why does she want to put them in catholic school now? And where is the money for that coming from, if this is something new? From the money they've gotten from the evil national media interviews? Money obtained by talking about your kidnapped infant?

(And don't anyone come in here and give me a lecture about pointing fingers, either. Note all the question marks in my post..that means I'm just asking questions.)

My friend just lost her husband to a brain tumor, her kids are in a bad place. They moved the kids to a small, private, Christian school because they thought it would be a more nurturing and personal environment amidst tragedy. IME it's normal to look for small, more intimate schools/employment when you're going through any huge ordeal. It's because you feel threatened, so you look to narrow your scope of contacts.

Again, I'm not screaming her innocence- just asserting that there can be honest motives behind some decisions and reasons innocent people may do X, Y or Z. Obviously there are reasons guilty folks would do X, Y, or Z too

 

[Ronso]

I put my children to bed around 8:30.

I check on them around 9, usually to remind them they need to sleep (they try to get away with playing or reading instead of sleeping).

I'll check again around 9:30, usually they are asleep by now.

Then before I go to bed, which on a normal night is around midnight, I check on them again.

Sometimes, if my Bouvier starts barking... I'll dart awake and check on them again. (She only barks when things are out of place)

Then we are up for the day at 6:30 AM.

I don't think it makes me overprotective in the slightest, but at least if someone DID take one of my children, I am a responsible parent and can remember when the last time was that I saw them in their beds. There'd be no "guessing".

 

[katshep]

RBBM: This bar "One Eyed Jacks", I would like to know :

1. IF the "motorcycle witness" goes to this bar ...

2. IF DB, JI, any of their family, any of their friends go to this bar ...

3. The night "motorcycle man" said that he saw a "man walking with a baby at 4:00 a.m." ... I would like to know WHAT "motorcyle man" was doing out at 4:00 a.m., MAYBE he was leaving the bar OEJ, was he going to work, was he going home, WHAT was he doing OUT at 4:00 a.m. ?

MOO ...

He said he was coming home from work.

 

[Kamille]

Is that why JI says he immediately went across to the street to see if Lisa was there or does the neighbor that was drinking with DB that night live there?

I believe that JT said that JI went "across" to the neighbour's to see if Lisa was there. There are two ways to take that. Across the street or across the driveway to the next door neighbour. Personally I think it was across the driveway to the neighbour who had been there earlier.

MOO