4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[arielilane]

BK looked (body mannerism) scared at hearing back in January. Something I noticed during show last night (probably forgot about) but looking into his eyes he looks right through you. There is nothing there, so very scary. An endless blank stare of darkness --- no emotion and detached from humanity.

imo

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Not to be obnoxious— but this is alleged, correct? Not yet proven, in other words? That is the part about Kbar coming from Amazon (my phone doesn’t let me bold anything)

I think the knife was allegedly purchased from Amazon in April 2022, is that right? Because then I'm curious about these warrants (always with me and the warrants lol).

One does have to wonder why, if the Amazon warrant produced the knife, (receipt dated 12.14 says Amazon returned information on 12.8)
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Amazon.pdf

why then did LE do the warrant to Blue Ridge Knives dated 12.12?

Did LE just not bother to check the Amazon one? They knew about BK at that time? What was PC or were they just 'checking to be sure'?

I thought about the fact that LE may have been following the trail from Amazon to Blue Ridge Knives to see which Amazon seller bought what knives for resale...
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Blue%20Ridge%20Knives.pdf

But if that's the case, then why narrow those purchases to these dates:
o On or about 03/08/2022 the purchase of 360 units
o 0n or about 06/24/2022 the purchase of 480 units
(from Blue Ridge warrant above)

March purchase is a pretty tight window to get the order and turn it around and get it to BK - was there no older inventory? Usually inventory is sold FIFOd not LIFOd (first in, first out, last in, last out*), and June comes after April - well after. Supposedly, BK was already in possession by then, so if they're sure about Amazon, why June? And why no warrant to the reseller on Amazon? One would think that's a loose end to be tied up - certainly the end piece of an audit or investigatory trail.

I'm sure there are lots of theories, but there are lots of questions, too.

IMO, targeting that date raises real questions about the veracity of the claim since neither Amazon nor BK can time travel to my knowledge and based on what we know now. One possibility: Maybe the knife purchase isn't as rock solid as the leak said?

*editing to add a footnote for any of the accountants here - I'm speaking actual practice, not inventory accounting method here. No GAAP required

 

[jepop]

IDs of two women (not the victims) were found inside a latex glove in BK’s room.

So if this is true (ie source is solid, MOO), then it will put to rest various other decipherings for this item in the PA search warrant return for parent's residence in favour of "ID cards in glove inside box" (as opposed to "10 cards" or "10 curls"). Also prior discussion here re is it an actual "glove" (for a hand), a card holder - but referred to by the writer as a glove, or a vehicle glove box detached from a vehicle and found inside the residence (!). MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Yeah, I also wonder where they got the information.

Was it that BK never slept or that he never slept at night? There are people whose days and nights are turned around, either by choice or through illness.

Maybe neither?

There Are 6 Human Chronotypes, Not Just Morning Larks And Night Owls, Study Says

Some people are morning larks.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[TL4S]

I found the account of BK's classmate in his doctoral program who had her apartment broken into interesting, because this is one of the few times where we have heard of an account of a person reaching out to BK, mostly we have heard of BK's awkward and odd attempts to reach out to others. The Dateline report said that she called BK after she found that someone had been in her apartment and moved things around.

This story interests me, as well. I would like to know what led up to that event and her calling him, specifically. I would wager he might have not only done the apartment break in, but also spent time beforehand, leading her into trusting him, into feeling like if anything happened, she could call him, maybe even making her suspect someone was watching her place. IDK. Just a random thing I find myself thinking when it comes to BK is that half the thrill for him is trying to manipulate the situation in the planning stages, then reveling in it after he's carried it out. JMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agree there is no evidence BK is a serial killer. Imo, I was disappointed with the attention given to Dennis Rader. moo

Probably, could have been an hour show rather than two hours.

I believe if not caught and arrested, BK would have gone on to kill again. He's technically a serial killer because he has (allegedly) killed 4 people. It only takes 3.

ETA: Correction - Mass Murderer Not Serial Killer at this point.

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

WiFi uses a router. Not cellular resources

What’s the Difference Between Wi‑Fi Data and Cellular Data?

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There is more than just one kind of router. Cellular routers allow multiple devices in a WiFi network to access the internet by connecting to cell towers instead of underground cables. This is what we have at my house because otherwise, you simply can not get cell service in my house and internet service is painfully slow. This is a common problem here if you have a radiant barrier in your attic or if you used metalic paint in your home.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Was also curious as to why the new Judge, Judge John Judge, was on the scene, though I think I now understand and the question has been answered further down thread. So we have Judge John Judge for the time being it seems. MOO.

J Trips. Hah you just like typing Judge John Judge. Perhaps he'll be on the case throughout, I hope so.

 

[jepop]

Page 16, second paragraph from the last in the Affidavit. "One of these occasions on August 21, 2022 the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the King Road residence from approximately 10:34pm to 11:35pm."

MOO but this is not describing a BK phone wifi connection to a router at King's Road residence. The ref from the PCA is from information garnered by LE from a warrant for historical location data from BK's phone provider, AT&T. LE received the return from that warrant on 23 Dec 2022. MOO

I don't remember reading that BK connected to 1122's wifi in the AA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659742918498975745

IMO, you're right. See above. MOO

ETA: The quote from the PCA is also not describing a touch connection from BK's phone to a wifi router inside 1122. MOO

 

[ilovewings]

Until sources have a name, I still consider it alleged. JMO.

I can certainly understand that. One has to take what information we get with a grain of salt until the trial (or if BK pleads guilty which I seriously doubt will happen).

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe if not caught and arrested, BK would have gone on to kill again. He's technically a serial killer because he has (allegedly) killed 4 people. It only takes 3.

MOO

I think if we're being picky about the terminology, he's a mass murderer. I think to be a serial he'd need to have a cooling off period between the victims or have committed other killings before with intervals between them.

Serial killer - Wikipedia

Mass murder - Wikipedia

MOO

 

[ilovewings]

That's how I understood it too, and makes the most sense. moo

I don't think he went in that house to kill four people- it just makes more sense his targets were the two women on the third floor.

 

[Megnut]

I don't think he went in that house to kill four people- it just makes more sense his targets were the two women on the third floor.

It was only by chance that there were two roommates on the third floor. And one wasn't driving her regular car.

I suspect he expected only one woman on the third floor and intended to slip in and out undetected. Singular mission.

Jmo

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

IMO, the latter suggests Dateline trying their best to make BK even more creepy.

MOO.

S&BBM for focus

IMO

Even if none of what Dateline reported turns out to be true, the show further tainted a jury pool, cast BK as such a creep that his own family suspected him, and most will just take the allegations, turn them into facts, and be on their merry way. I think the best that has come from this episode is 2 hours of reasons why the gag order must remain in place IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think if we're being picky about the terminology, he's a mass murderer. I think to be a serial he'd need to have a cooling off period between the victims or have committed other killings before with intervals between them.

Serial killer - Wikipedia

Mass murder - Wikipedia

MOO

Yes that's right. Killing at different times.

 

[Charlot123]

This story interests me, as well. I would like to know what led up to that event and her calling him, specifically. I would wager he might have not only done the apartment break in, but also spent time beforehand, leading her into trusting him, into feeling like if anything happened, she could call him, maybe even making her suspect someone was watching her place. IDK. Just a random thing I find myself thinking when it comes to BK is that half the thrill for him is trying to manipulate the situation in the planning stages, then reveling in it after he's carried it out. JMO.

One thing that makes me wonder if it indeed was so. The neighbor was in the doctoral program. Very far from the gals attacked in King road house. More mature, I assume, possibly new to the area, and by far, not settling in a party house. She was someone known to BK so in case of anything happening to her, the connection would be instantly made. Even that security system set up by him would be taken into account. Now, it is true that serial assailants often have professions such as plumbers, or security/internet installers, even policemen like GSK, someone working in the community but unseen.

(I was thinking the same about the other woman whose luggage was messed up, for the lack of a better term. I did not realize that at that time, BK was not in the area, but the women seen on the dashcam video were different from four victims, and I don’t mean, looks).

If- if! - BK is the killer of the Idaho Four, and today I have only the PCA to rely on, none of the media sources are reliable, then his victims are: younger, more naive, trustingly posting their glamorized photos and different aspects of their lives on SM, and incapacitated by alcohol. Merely a step above schoolgirls. The attack is performed on a weekend night when, you bet, people will be drowsy and unable to protect themselves. There are no security systems. The doors could be either unlocked or could be habitually left open. Lastly, the attacker lives in another town and until now, there is no connection found between him and his victims. It is a serial killer’s style. I won’t subscribe to Pappa Rogers, who IMHO, it is another Leah Kerr. However, if there is a “manual for wannabe killers” posted somewhere on the dark web, I wonder if BK followed it.

 

[Sundog]

Agree there is no evidence BK is a serial killer. Imo, I was disappointed with the attention given to Dennis Rader. moo

Probably, could have been an hour show rather than two hours.

I thought the segment about BK's studies with Professor Raamsland and Rader was significant. I think it's very possible that the required reading in that course at DeSales, assigned to the class by Dr. Raamsland, may have had an influence on the specific trajectory of BK's criminal behavior moving forward. For a number of possible reasons. JMO.

eta Dateline producers may have included a lot of speculative material, but they were certainly thorough. Pretty much everything they reported on has been discussed in one way or another here on WS from the beginning to now.

 

[Sundog]

Neither is the bit about his colleague's break-in. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we already know that too? MOO.

I have been following this case closely here on WS from the beginning, and tried to read every post (of course could have missed some) and I had never heard about that incident before.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe neither?

There Are 6 Human Chronotypes, Not Just Morning Larks And Night Owls, Study Says

Some people are morning larks.

www.sciencealert.com

That's a study about level of alertness, which is a different thing.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

This story interests me, as well. I would like to know what led up to that event and her calling him, specifically. I would wager he might have not only done the apartment break in, but also spent time beforehand, leading her into trusting him, into feeling like if anything happened, she could call him, maybe even making her suspect someone was watching her place. IDK. Just a random thing I find myself thinking when it comes to BK is that half the thrill for him is trying to manipulate the situation in the planning stages, then reveling in it after he's carried it out. JMO.

IMO, this is why Dateline's piece was irresponsible and why the gag order needs to remain in place. Dateline took something that, for all we know, may have had absolutely nothing to do with BK or the murders. Mentioned it for ratings and people across the country are now likely linking him to this with speculation when there's really nothing to go on.

She may have just called him because she, too, was new to the area and he was her classmate.

MOO.