4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[Charlot123]

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That's a study about level of alertness, which is a different thing.

Not quite. It is all about circadian rhythms.

 

[jepop]

There is more than just one kind of router. Cellular routers allow multiple devices in a WiFi network to access the internet by connecting to cell towers instead of underground cables. This is what we have at my house because otherwise, you simply can not get cell service in my house and internet service is painfully slow. This is a common problem here if you have a radiant barrier in your attic or if you used metalic paint in your home.

I believe the PCA specifies that the location data from AT&T for BK's phone number is referring to pings from his phone to a cell phone tower. This same tower provided cellular resources to the Kings Roads residence. MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I have been following this case closely here on WS from the beginning, and tried to read every post (of course could have missed some) and I had never heard about that incident before.

Bryan Kohberger May Have Broken Into Ex-Colleague's Home Ahead Of Idaho Murders: Report

A female colleague of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly spoke to him about a break-in at her home in the fall of 2022.

www.ibtimes.com

 

[Sundog]

Bryan Kohberger May Have Broken Into Ex-Colleague's Home Ahead Of Idaho Murders: Report

A female colleague of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly spoke to him about a break-in at her home in the fall of 2022.

www.ibtimes.com

Thanks.
I didn't see this posted here on WS over the last month, but must have missed it.

 

[maconrich]

I have been following this case closely here on WS from the beginning, and tried to read every post (of course could have missed some) and I had never heard about that incident before.

adding to @BeginnerSleuther 's link, here's one where it's mentioned by @Red Clover here on Websleuths:

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

I know the professor initiated confrontation between BK and students has already been discussed a lot, so sorry for bringing it up again. I mainly want to focus on the main complaint made by the small number of students who spoke to the press. First, I agree with @BeginnerSleuther that his lack...

www.websleuths.com

 

[TL4S]

IMO, this is why Dateline's piece was irresponsible and why the gag order needs to remain in place. Dateline took something that, for all we know, may have had absolutely nothing to do with BK or the murders. Mentioned it for ratings and people across the country are now likely linking him to this with speculation when there's really nothing to go on.

She may have just called him because she, too, was new to the area and he was her classmate.

MOO.

I totally agree. But from a purely speculative standpoint (because that's all we have), I take into account what BK is alleged to have done. If he did indeed sneak into a house, in the early morning hours, wearing black clothing and a mask (as reported by DM in the PCA) before stabbing 4 people to death, then I think his other recent interactions with a female which involves burglary is suspicious. BK could have done that for the female student innocently, but it doesn't really follow the type of behavior we've heard he has towards females. Again, that's all rumor, though, too.

It's just my opinion. We know nothing about that female, either. She could be mature and different than his alleged victims, or not. It's all a guessing game. I'm not buying all that Dateline is selling, but that particular story piqued my interest. JMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

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Not quite. It is all about circadian rhythms.

Nope. From your link:

"Chronotypes are the behavioural manifestations of the circadian rhythms"

The part I underlined is important. It's saying that not everyone is a night owl or morning person, that some people fall in between. But it doesn't say when people sleep. Your level of alertness can still be low in the morning, but you may still go to bed at 10 pm because you have a job or kids that require you to get up early. Likewise, you could have low level of alertness in the evening, but need to stay up until 2 am for work or some other reason.

That is different from what I was asking. The poster said BK doesn't sleep. I asked if it's that he doesn't sleep or he doesn't sleep at night? To date, I don't remember reading that BK doesn't sleep at all (which would be due to circadian disruption, not a variance of normal rhythm).

 

[Vaderman]

Holy smokes. I just started watching the Dateline special and am floored. At the part where they mention he attended Northampton Community College.

Just yesterday, I received a transfer transcript from Northampton Community College to process and that particular college had never been evaluated by our faculty. When I went to verify it was an accredited institution, I vaguely wondered why "Bethlehem, PA" sounded so familiar.

 

[jepop]

I think the knife was allegedly purchased from Amazon in April 2022, is that right? Because then I'm curious about these warrants (always with me and the warrants lol).

One does have to wonder why, if the Amazon warrant produced the knife, (receipt dated 12.14 says Amazon returned information on 12.8)
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Amazon.pdf

why then did LE do the warrant to Blue Ridge Knives dated 12.12?

Did LE just not bother to check the Amazon one? They knew about BK at that time? What was PC or were they just 'checking to be sure'?

I thought about the fact that LE may have been following the trail from Amazon to Blue Ridge Knives to see which Amazon seller bought what knives for resale...
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Blue%20Ridge%20Knives.pdf

But if that's the case, then why narrow those purchases to these dates:
o On or about 03/08/2022 the purchase of 360 units
o 0n or about 06/24/2022 the purchase of 480 units
(from Blue Ridge warrant above)

March purchase is a pretty tight window to get the order and turn it around and get it to BK - was there no older inventory? Usually inventory is sold FIFOd not LIFOd (first in, first out, last in, last out*), and June comes after April - well after. Supposedly, BK was already in possession by then, so if they're sure about Amazon, why June? And why no warrant to the reseller on Amazon? One would think that's a loose end to be tied up - certainly the end piece of an audit or investigatory trail.

I'm sure there are lots of theories, but there are lots of questions, too.

IMO, targeting that date raises real questions about the veracity of the claim since neither Amazon nor BK can time travel to my knowledge and based on what we know now. One possibility: Maybe the knife purchase isn't as rock solid as the leak said?

*editing to add a footnote for any of the accountants here - I'm speaking actual practice, not inventory accounting method here. No GAAP required

Due diligence. BK I assume was a POI at this point but likely not in LE's mind the 'prime/and/or only suspect'. So avoid tunnel vision. That's one alternative theory, although I am taking Dateline's claims with a grain of salt as sources remain unknown. It could be untrue and thus LE continued their search. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

I thought the segment about BK's studies with Professor Raamsland and Rader was significant. I think it's very possible that the required reading in that course at DeSales, assigned to the class by Dr. Raamsland, may have had an influence on the specific trajectory of BK's criminal behavior moving forward. For a number of possible reasons. JMO.

eta Dateline producers may have included a lot of speculative material, but they were certainly thorough. Pretty much everything they reported on has been discussed in one way or another here on WS from the beginning to now.

It is a very important observation. If it was BK, then, IMHO, his plan was targeting one, only it turned into four. The fact that there is no publicly identified connection between any victim and BK makes me wonder if it was, indeed, minimal. One can surmise that the class on serial killers discussed some of the methods they used to avoid being caught, and BK took notes. Alternatively, if a logical, analytic person reads several books on the subject, it might become too obvious for them what might work to avoid being captured.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I totally agree. But from a purely speculative standpoint (because that's all we have), I take into account what BK is alleged to have done. If he did indeed sneak into a house, in the early morning hours, wearing black clothing and a mask (as reported by DM in the PCA) before stabbing 4 people to death, then I think his other recent interactions with a female which involves burglary is suspicious.

SBMFF.

That's my point though. You're not doing anything wrong at all. You're doing exactly what's expected from a human behavior standpoint and we all do here, myself included. You're connecting the dots. He's alleged to have done this, so of course it makes sense he did this other thing too. The problem is that all of this is unconfirmed. As SGH put it, Dateline is poisoning the jury pool with unsubstantiated rumors so that people could speculate, similar to the incident with the girl and the underwear.

It's just more proof a gag order is necessary, IMO.

BK could have done that for the female student innocently, but it doesn't really follow the type of behavior we've heard he has towards females. Again, that's all rumor, though, too.

Well, it doesn't follow the rumors we've heard, but I, for one, believe we've heard only the bad. To fully trust everything we've heard, it would mean BK has never in his life ever helped another female for innocent reasons. IMO, that's a media portrayal and likely unrealistic.

MOO.

 

[TL4S]

SBMFF.

That's my point though. You're not doing anything wrong at all. You're doing exactly what's expected from a human behavior standpoint and we all do here, myself included. You're connecting the dots. He's alleged to have done this, so of course it makes sense he did this other thing too. The problem is that all of this is unconfirmed. As SGH put it, Dateline is poisoning the jury pool with unsubstantiated rumors so that people could speculate, similar to the incident with the girl and the underwear.

It's just more proof a gag order is necessary, IMO.



Well, it doesn't follow the rumors we've heard, but I, for one, believe we've heard only the bad. To fully trust everything we've heard, it would mean BK has never in his life ever helped another female for innocent reasons. IMO, that's a media portrayal and likely unrealistic.

MOO.

All good points. And I agree, the gag order is necessary.

 

[Megnut]

IF....

If X collected her doordash food and retreated to her room to eat it, she would've been out of sight when the murderer entered or...

If X collected her food and ate it on the lower level, she would have been out of sight when the murderer entered...

Either way, X likely passed through the common area before and after the murderer entered, a very narrow band of time.

Consider: from before to after, the slider is open. And there are shoes in the hallway....

She might shut the slider.....

IF the lower level door was in fact open in the morning, could it be that the murderer intended to leave by way of the open slider but, upon finding it closed, pivoted and exited via the bottom floor?

Inconsequential I suppose but I find myself always wondering what was planned and what veered.

If he'd had a trial run even a week earlier, no K. No Murphy. Maybe no E. No noise, M, X and D might have slept through a nighttime prowler, unaware.

It seems likely to me that the murderer took advantage of digital technology (social media) to satisfy the urge to stalk... and in end, it'll be digital technology that shines the light on what he did in the dark. CCTV and DNA will bring him down.

Jmo

 

[Snail-Overlord]

This is just a small detail from the Dateline special from last night, but: did they say that LE believes the “Pappa Rodgers” account was actually BK? Did I hear that right?

 

[jepop]

The Amazon tidbit is new’ish. In that Dateline seemed pretty confident that it was the source of the knife and sheath (they are sold together new) AND that BK brought it with him from PA to ID on his move.

I had originally speculated that Blue Ridge led investigators to a brick and mortar retailer where BK bought the knife. But if I take another look at the warrants and dates of return and timing of subsequent warrants…

It’s totally possible that LE got a hit on the Amazon warrant confirming that BK purchased a KaBar knife and sheath.

Interested in tracing the sheath (and the likely knife that came with it) all the way back to the creator KaBar who supplied dates, manufacturing info, and the distributors who got them -> to the specific distributor of said sheath batch BlueRidge -> to the Amazon retailers who received the KaBar identified batches from BlueRidge and sold it to BK.

Leaving no doubt as to its origins and the chain it followed to end up at the home on King St. Hence the sudden disappearance of warrants related to the purchase of the knife and sheath

MOO

RBBM: If the info from Dateline is accurate (I have my doubts about what exactly is being claimed in the report - fact or just possibility?- but for the sake of speculation...) then your conjecture makes sense in terms of due diligence on the part of LE. Also, at trial defense cannot claim tunnel vision (ie "what, LE did not even check other k-bar providers and purchases in such and such a time frame or other purchasers from the Idaho/Washington area..."). MOO

 

[maconrich]

IF....

If X collected her doordash food and retreated to her room to eat it, she would've been out of sight when the murderer entered or...

If X collected her food and ate it on the lower level, she would have been out of sight when the murderer entered...

Either way, X likely passed through the common area before and after the murderer entered, a very narrow band of time.


Jmo

RS and BBM

Xana eating her food on the lower level never occurred to me. Interesting thought. We know the empty room was, well empty, and used to some extent for storage. But Xana could have gone in, turned on the light and eaten her food without having to worry about waking Ethan or anyone else. And, as you said, she would have been out of sight. I'm putting that on to my maybe list.

 

[TL4S]

IF....

If X collected her doordash food and retreated to her room to eat it, she would've been out of sight when the murderer entered or...

If X collected her food and ate it on the lower level, she would have been out of sight when the murderer entered...

Either way, X likely passed through the common area before and after the murderer entered, a very narrow band of time.

Consider: from before to after, the slider is open. And there are shoes in the hallway....

She might shut the slider.....

IF the lower level door was in fact open in the morning, could it be that the murderer intended to leave by way of the open slider but, upon finding it closed, pivoted and exited via the bottom floor?

Inconsequential I suppose but I find myself always wondering what was planned and what veered.

If he'd had a trial run even a week earlier, no K. No Murphy. Maybe no E. No noise, M, X and D might have slept through a nighttime prowler, unaware.

It seems likely to me that the murderer took advantage of digital technology (social media) to satisfy the urge to stalk... and in end, it'll be digital technology that shines the light on what he did in the dark. CCTV and DNA will bring him down.

Jmo

If the DD we see in photos is indeed from that morning, delivered around 4am, then I wonder if maybe X got her food and took it into the bedroom to eat while she watched TikTok. During that time, the third floor victims were being killed. Then, for whatever reason, X came back out to the kitchen, put the empty bag down and saw the sliding door open. So she went into the bedroom to tell E that "somebody is here." BK could have either seen her go back to her room, or heard her, or maybe he always intended to kill them, too. Maybe X turned on the kitchen light when she realized the door was open, before she went to get E. The light being on might have alerted BK to someone being up when he came downstairs. It also might have given enough light for DM to see the guy in black. IDK. Either way, it might explain why the bag was in the kitchen and DM heard someone say "somebody is here." Then again, DM might have been right and it was KG who said it. It's hard for us to guess. It's all so horrible.

 

[Megnut]

IMO....

Only X or K could've said that there was someone there....

If X, I think it's because the murderer altered the space X had been in. Something caused her to notice something. Enough to tell E someone was there....

If K, she may have been awake in her own room.... and noticed a reflection of lights from BK's Elantra on the back road.... enough even to peer out and see someone make his way to the door.

She might've secured Murphy in her room and gone into M's to tell her someone was there....

I don't think BK expected to be detected.

Jmo

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I think the knife was allegedly purchased from Amazon in April 2022, is that right? Because then I'm curious about these warrants (always with me and the warrants lol).

One does have to wonder why, if the Amazon warrant produced the knife, (receipt dated 12.14 says Amazon returned information on 12.8)
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Amazon.pdf

why then did LE do the warrant to Blue Ridge Knives dated 12.12?

Did LE just not bother to check the Amazon one? They knew about BK at that time? What was PC or were they just 'checking to be sure'?

I thought about the fact that LE may have been following the trail from Amazon to Blue Ridge Knives to see which Amazon seller bought what knives for resale...
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Blue%20Ridge%20Knives.pdf

But if that's the case, then why narrow those purchases to these dates:
o On or about 03/08/2022 the purchase of 360 units
o 0n or about 06/24/2022 the purchase of 480 units
(from Blue Ridge warrant above)

March purchase is a pretty tight window to get the order and turn it around and get it to BK - was there no older inventory? Usually inventory is sold FIFOd not LIFOd (first in, first out, last in, last out*), and June comes after April - well after. Supposedly, BK was already in possession by then, so if they're sure about Amazon, why June? And why no warrant to the reseller on Amazon? One would think that's a loose end to be tied up - certainly the end piece of an audit or investigatory trail.

I'm sure there are lots of theories, but there are lots of questions, too.

IMO, targeting that date raises real questions about the veracity of the claim since neither Amazon nor BK can time travel to my knowledge and based on what we know now. One possibility: Maybe the knife purchase isn't as rock solid as the leak said?

*editing to add a footnote for any of the accountants here - I'm speaking actual practice, not inventory accounting method here. No GAAP required

I should have included the original K-Bar warrant dated 11.28 (https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...Order to Seal Redact - KA-BAR Knives Inc.pdf)

And of course, we don't know that the last warrant re the knife was 12.12. There were completely sealed & redacted warrants/affidavits that came after or at the same general time. Could one have those have been to a private seller of a K-Bar knife? It would make sense to seal that puppy up.

 

[Charlot123]

Nope. From your link:

"Chronotypes are the behavioural manifestations of the circadian rhythms"

The part I underlined is important. It's saying that not everyone is a night owl or morning person, that some people fall in between. But it doesn't say when people sleep. Your level of alertness can still be low in the morning, but you may still go to bed at 10 pm because you have a job or kids that require you to get up early. Likewise, you could have low level of alertness in the evening, but need to stay up until 2 am for work or some other reason.

That is different from what I was asking. The poster said BK doesn't sleep. I asked if it's that he doesn't sleep or he doesn't sleep at night? To date, I don't remember reading that BK doesn't sleep at all (which would be due to circadian disruption, not a variance of normal rhythm).

Thank for clarifying. It is hard to understand what was going on with him because there might be a confounding element, substances. We don’t know enough, but I often remind myself that difference in behaviors, sleep patterns or social presentations might have a simple explanation.