4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[Megnut]

Question:

About visual snow and triggers...

If BK entered a mostly dark home, commit four murders in relative darkness, and moved toward the kitchen where (speculation) now a light was on, would that impact his vision? So much so that the transition might effectively blind him briefly? Could this explain why D saw him but he may have missed seeing her? Could she have disappeared in the darkness of his periphery?

 

[Boxer]

Question:

About visual snow and triggers...

If BK entered a mostly dark home, commit four murders in relative darkness, and moved toward the kitchen where (speculation) now a light was on, would that impact his vision? So much so that the transition might effectively blind him briefly? Could this explain why D saw him but he may have missed seeing her? Could she have disappeared in the darkness of his periphery?

MOO true, and walking by the "Good Times" neon sign by the door of the livingroom would temporarily lessen night vision when leaving the livingroom to the hall where the path to the kitchen goes by DMs door.

 

[10ofRods]

It was only by chance that there were two roommates on the third floor. And one wasn't driving her regular car.

I suspect he expected only one woman on the third floor and intended to slip in and out undetected. Singular mission.

Jmo

Great points. It makes me wonder if he had a diagram in his head of what he intended to do. While he did not sexually assault any victim, that we know of, that doesn't mean that this wasn't a sexually motivated crime. I think it's safe to say that his target(s) were women (and that he identifies as a man). He wasn't there for Ethan, IMO.

If he was there for Maddie, as implied in your post (and I think that's the best guess we have in terms of the single target theory), perhaps he intended sexual assault in one of his mental scenarios. Finding MM and KG in bed together may have set him off in a different direction (if he entered with the idea of doing something to MM, he quickly expanded into a much larger crime).

IIRC, Pappa Rodger posted on FB that the murderer cleaned the knife but not his person before getting into the car. And KB's sister says on the Dateline video she noticed him using bleach and repeatedly cleaning his car. I am still on pins and needles wondering if they did, indeed, find victim DNA in the car. If so, he's toast.

Now I understand why you all were discussing an Alford Plea last night/yesterday. I think @mickey2942 may have brought it up first, but it was an interesting discussion.

JMO, based on whatever MSM we do have. I'm also thinking about the geo-tagging phenomenon a lot. Did Kohberger (by following two of the victims on Instagram and perhaps on other platforms) have a way of finding them in the real world? It seems that college students use these apps heavily and there are SO many of them. Once you've "friended" someone, you can track their movements nearby in real time (if they have location services turned on, which apparently most do).

So my assumption that he didn't know KG was there could be wrong. I have seen no mention that he followed Xana, though.

IMO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

If someone can search back to the first person who suggested that he left the sheath behind, please post it with their username. It was genius, and they deserve all the credit in the world for their line of thinking.

I, @Twistinginthewind, posted very early on, and several times thereafter I thought he left the sheath behind on purpose, and gave several theories on why.

I may have been first or second or third, it doesn't truly matter, and no credit needed. Though I don't feel like looking up those old posts to cite here because I can never figure out how to do it properly, so I'll just say IMO

I got a few likes or wows, and of course a few no way replies, IIRC. No biggie lots of people didn't love what I said, tho, just part of the dialogue to get to the bottom of things and sleuth the possible actions of the killer, and find him, which LE has done in spades.

BK's big fat goose is cooked. MOO

 

[Idaho transplant]

Great points. It makes me wonder if he had a diagram in his head of what he intended to do. While he did not sexually assault any victim, that we know of, that doesn't mean that this wasn't a sexually motivated crime. I think it's safe to say that his target(s) were women (and that he identifies as a man). He wasn't there for Ethan, IMO.

If he was there for Maddie, as implied in your post (and I think that's the best guess we have in terms of the single target theory), perhaps he intended sexual assault in one of his mental scenarios. Finding MM and KG in bed together may have set him off in a different direction (if he entered with the idea of doing something to MM, he quickly expanded into a much larger crime).

IIRC, Pappa Rodger posted on FB that the murderer cleaned the knife but not his person before getting into the car. And KB's sister says on the Dateline video she noticed him using bleach and repeatedly cleaning his car. I am still on pins and needles wondering if they did, indeed, find victim DNA in the car. If so, he's toast.

Now I understand why you all were discussing an Alford Plea last night/yesterday. I think @mickey2942 may have brought it up first, but it was an interesting discussion.

JMO, based on whatever MSM we do have. I'm also thinking about the geo-tagging phenomenon a lot. Did Kohberger (by following two of the victims on Instagram and perhaps on other platforms) have a way of finding them in the real world? It seems that college students use these apps heavily and there are SO many of them. Once you've "friended" someone, you can track their movements nearby in real time (if they have location services turned on, which apparently most do).

So my assumption that he didn't know KG was there could be wrong. I have seen no mention that he followed Xana, though.

IMO.

If he didn't expect to find two girls (MM & KG) upstairs, would that explain why he left the sheath behind? That
part has never made sense to me why (some have speculated he did it on purpose) he spent so much time
planning the attack only to leave the sheath behind. When did the Dateline special air?

 

[Boxer]

It was only by chance that there were two roommates on the third floor. And one wasn't driving her regular car.

I suspect he expected only one woman on the third floor and intended to slip in and out undetected. Singular mission.

Jmo

Agree.
Believe an experienced hot prowler would think it a low risk mission.

 

[Sundog]

If he didn't expect to find two girls (MM & KG) upstairs, would that explain why he left the sheath behind? That
part has never made sense to me why (some have speculated he did it on purpose) he spent so much time
planning the attack only to leave the sheath behind. When did the Dateline special air?

The Dateline episode aired last night. Someone may be able to find it posted to their youtube soon, they did that last time with their former Idaho Murders episode.

 

[Boxer]

If he didn't expect to find two girls (MM & KG) upstairs, would that explain why he left the sheath behind? That
part has never made sense to me why (some have speculated he did it on purpose) he spent so much time
planning the attack only to leave the sheath behind. When did the Dateline special air?

Startled by two people being where he thought one.
Had to use both hands to subdue the women and dropped the sheath if holding it then forgot it as he just murdered two people not expecting to.
Or unbeknownst to him it popped out his pocket during exertion and he didnot see it in the dark.

 

[U.N. Known]

then I think his other recent interactions with a female which involves burglary is suspicious. BK could have done that for the female student innocently, but it doesn't really follow the type of behavior we've heard he has towards females. Again, that's all rumor, though, too.

That's what makes this account so interesting. Most of the other stories about BK's interactions with women are related to some negative behavior on his part (aggressive, dismissive, etc.). That narrative does not align with a female colleague not only confiding the break-in to him, asking for his advice and allowing him into her home to install a security system. IMO, if he was as awful to women in general as has been reported, this colleague (fellow student?) would have been aware of it and understandably wary of him.

Is this the same woman that he studied with or gave a ride to (I can't recall the exact nature of their connection) or a different one? If it is another woman, that's at least two women who were around him regularly who were not creeped out, suspicious, etc.

edit: wording

 

[arielilane]

Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger 'broke into apartment of female colleague' then 'installed security cameras' to spy on her when she asked for help - months before brutal killings​

• Dateline claim that Kohberger is being looked at as a suspect for the break-in during the fall of 2022
• He suggested to his female co-worker that she install video cameras for safety reasons
• It comes ahead of his arraignment hearing at Latah County Court on Monday morning

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

5/20/2023

He waived his right to a speedy preliminary hearing at the time, pushing it back six months until June. But the decision by the grand jury means there is no need for a preliminary hearing.

This means that the surviving roommates will not have to face Kohberger unless he pleads not guilty, which would mean the case would go to trial.

A grand jury hearing is not conducted in open court, with 16 members of the general public hearing evidence from the prosecution.

The defendant and their legal team are not allowed to attend the hearing, but Kohberger's legal team will receive a transcript of the proceedings.

A gag also remains in place, preventing anyone connected to the case from speaking publicly – though an appeal to overturn this will be heard on May 25 on behalf of the Associated Press and the Goncalves family.

 

[Cool Cats]

J Trips. Hah you just like typing Judge John Judge. Perhaps he'll be on the case throughout, I hope so.

His name is John .......
Wow.

Now we have John Doe and John Judge...lol

Very flippant of Dateline to casually mention with no information that BK bought a knife from Amazon and had 2 ID cards of women - other than the victims.
I'll have to go back and listen to the exact wording.

They made it sound like BK purchased the murder weapon online and stalked other women stealing their ID cards. And where is the source for his sister suspecting him but the dad disagreed with that? Families usually do not believe it could be true.

This is so outrageously prejudicial. If true, and DNA goes before a jury...game over. 2 Cents

I, @Twistinginthewind, posted very early on, and several times thereafter I thought he left the sheath behind on purpose, and gave several theories on why.

I may have been first or second or third, it doesn't truly matter, and no credit needed. Though I don't feel like looking up those old posts to cite here because I can never figure out how to do it properly, so I'll just say IMO

I got a few likes or wows, and of course a few no way replies, IIRC. No biggie lots of people didn't love what I said, tho, just part of the dialogue to get to the bottom of things and sleuth the possible actions of the killer, and find him, which LE has done in spades.

BK's big fat goose is cooked. MOO

He meant before arrest, that someone on here speculated a knife sheath was left behind before it was revealed that a knife sheath really was left behind.

PS
And don't get me started on this "BK moved my underwear" thing - he hadn't moved to the area yet...

Oh yah, the moving underwear happened next to the King Rd house - visible in photo - so of course BK came all the way from Pennsylvania and moved it, stuffed it, into the passenger door area.

I want the guy convicted - but on real evidence.

 

[Megnut]

That's what makes this account so interesting. Most of the previous stories I've read about BK's interactions with women are related to some negative behavior on his part (aggressive, dismissive, etc.). Those claims do not fit with a claim that a female colleague not only confided the break-in to him, but asked for his advice and allowed him into her home to install a security system. IMO, if he was as awful to women in general as has been reported, this colleague (fellow student?) would have been aware of it and understandably wary of him.

Is this the same woman that he studied with or gave a ride to (I can't recall the exact nature of their connection) or a different one? If it is another woman, that's at least two women who were around him regularly who were not creeped out, suspicious, etc.

If he had a "type" -- i.e. blonde sorority sister -- perhaps these women didn't fit that and were therefore less threatening to him.

Just a thought. Jmo

 

[10ofRods]

His name is John .......
Wow.

Now we have John Doe and John Judge...lol

Very flippant of Dateline to casually mention with no information that BK bought a knife from Amazon and had 2 ID cards of women - other than the victims.
I'll have to go back and listen to the exact wording.

They made it sound like BK purchased the murder weapon and stalked other women stealing their ID cards.

This is so outrageously prejudicial. If true, and DNA goes before a jury...game over. 2 Cents


He meant before arrest, that someone on here speculated a knife sheath was left behind before it was revealed that a knife sheath really was left behind.

AFAIK, the first mention of an abandoned sheath was in late November, on FB, from where the story grew legs, IMO. And it turned out to be true, which is why we're still talking about it.

I believe it was 14 days after the murders. It was the Pappa Rodger account. I may actually go back to the early days of this thread when I get a chance to see when we first started mentioning it.

I didn't hear Dateline the same way you did (I thought the segments were disjointed; but it is true that they implied he was stalking women - and with more than one strand to that part of it; it seems obvious to me that if BK is to be tied to this crime, there ought to be evidence of him purchasing the weapon, which is unrelated in my mind to the ID collecting, the coverage of which confused me - does Dateline have anything more than the PCA? Because if so, that wasn't clear at all).

IMO.

 

[Sundog]

His name is John .......
Wow.

Now we have John Doe and John Judge...lol

Very flippant of Dateline to casually mention with no information that BK bought a knife from Amazon and had 2 ID cards of women - other than the victims.
I'll have to go back and listen to the exact wording.

They made it sound like BK purchased the murder weapon online and stalked other women stealing their ID cards. And where is the source for his sister suspecting him but the dad disagreed with that? Families usually do not believe it could be true.

This is so outrageously prejudicial. If true, and DNA goes before a jury...game over. 2 Cents


He meant before arrest, that someone on here speculated a knife sheath was left behind before it was revealed that a knife sheath really was left behind.

I didn't see it that way when I watched the Dateline episode last night. It seemed to me like they were saying that BK may have planned the murders well ahead of time, and bought the knife on Amazon several months before he left PA to go to Idaho. He had already posted his survey for criminals to respond to online, and who knows what he had in mind. He may or may not have identified some Idaho murder suspects on social media, or maybe he did that after he arrived in Pullman.

The ID cards were introduced, IIRC, when they were discussing the possibility that BK had committed other crimes leading up to this murder, as is the usual pattern. The ID cards could have been stolen in PA if BK was entering women's houses at night or doing burglaries and stalking while in PA. They were exploring the possibility of gradual steps that BK may have taken that escalated to the mass murder.

All JMO

 

[Zinn]

IF....

If X collected her doordash food and retreated to her room to eat it, she would've been out of sight when the murderer entered or...

If X collected her food and ate it on the lower level, she would have been out of sight when the murderer entered...

Either way, X likely passed through the common area before and after the murderer entered, a very narrow band of time.

Consider: from before to after, the slider is open. And there are shoes in the hallway....

She might shut the slider.....

IF the lower level door was in fact open in the morning, could it be that the murderer intended to leave by way of the open slider but, upon finding it closed, pivoted and exited via the bottom floor?

Inconsequential I suppose but I find myself always wondering what was planned and what veered.

If he'd had a trial run even a week earlier, no K. No Murphy. Maybe no E. No noise, M, X and D might have slept through a nighttime prowler, unaware.

It seems likely to me that the murderer took advantage of digital technology (social media) to satisfy the urge to stalk... and in end, it'll be digital technology that shines the light on what he did in the dark. CCTV and DNA will bring him down.

Jmo

I believe MM’s boyfriend also happened to be out of town that night or weekend.

 

[U.N. Known]

(Startled by two people being where he thought one.
Had to use both hands to subdue the women and dropped the sheath if holding it then forgot it as he just murdered two people not expecting to.
Or unbeknownst to him it popped out his pocket during exertion and he didnot see it in the dark.

I'd replying on your (@Boxer) post due to the bold, but this is a general question/comment for everyone

I know Kaylee's move and weekend visit has been discussed. Has there been a discussion about the number of cars in the drive? The only photo I saw, on my admittedly brief search is after the cars were towed. There are 5 spots on the snowy lot were cars had been. So, there were at least five, maybe six cars parked there the night of the murders. IMO, there should have been an expectation that he could encounter more than the intended victim(s).

I suppose the weapon of choice did not preclude additional victims...
Just another rabbit hole I've hopped into.

 

[Vaderman]

I didn't like the insinuation about the knife purchase.

I was gifted my great-grandfather's Ka-Bar pocket knife (it was very well worn and, sadly, I can't locate it).

When I was around 10, my grandfather gave me the same pocket knife he carried around - an Old Timer. I'm proud of that and have purchased many different models of Old Timer knives--including one similar to the one alleged to have been used in this crime.

When I purchase those knives, from Amazon, I'm not planning a murder. I'm just proud of the knife brand my grandpa first gave me.

 

[Zinn]

Startled by two people being where he thought one.
Had to use both hands to subdue the women and dropped the sheath if holding it then forgot it as he just murdered two people not expecting to.
Or unbeknownst to him it popped out his pocket during exertion and he didnot see it in the dark.

Do I recall correctly that the sheath was found at least somewhat underneath one of the victims (MM, maybe)? Could be he could not see where it ended up and/or did not want to spend more time or leave more evidence attempting to find and retrieve it. JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

AFAIK, the first mention of an abandoned sheath was in late November, on FB, from where the story grew legs, IMO. And it turned out to be true, which is why we're still talking about it.

I believe it was 14 days after the murders. It was the Pappa Rodger account. I may actually go back to the early days of this thread when I get a chance to see when we first started mentioning it.

I didn't hear Dateline the same way you did (I thought the segments were disjointed; but it is true that they implied he was stalking women - and with more than one strand to that part of it; it seems obvious to me that if BK is to be tied to this crime, there ought to be evidence of him purchasing the weapon, which is unrelated in my mind to the ID collecting, the coverage of which confused me - does Dateline have anything more than the PCA? Because if so, that wasn't clear at all).

IMO.

I didn't see it that way when I watched the Dateline episode last night. It seemed to me like they were saying that BK may have planned the murders well ahead of time, and bought the knife on Amazon several months before he left PA to go to Idaho. He had already posted his survey for criminals to respond to online, and who knows what he had in mind. He may or may not have identified some Idaho murder suspects on social media, or maybe he did that after he arrived in Pullman.

The ID cards were introduced, IIRC, when they were discussing the possibility that BK had committed other crimes leading up to this murder, as is the usual pattern. The ID cards could have been stolen in PA if BK was entering women's houses at night or doing burglaries and stalking while in PA. They were exploring the possibility of gradual steps that BK may have taken that escalated to the mass murder.

All JMO

Thanks. My brain reached capacity after Dateline.......

 

[mickey2942]

I sort of relish the thought of BK sitting in jail, wondering how his meticulously planned murder, that was supposed to be the "crime of the century", with no clue who did it, has completely unraveled. And he left an item at the crime scene, that he actually bought on Amazon!

Geez, you can buy tons of knives anonymously, at any Knife and Gun Show, pay cash, zero trail. Amazon! What an idiot.