4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[Sundog]

Perhaps, but not everyone is eager to be in the spotlight, even to defend themselves. IMO, people who are comfortable with Dateline's information/sources are unlikely to believe anything she said anyway.

His family hasn't said anything publicly other than their official statement a couple of days after his arrest. I would be surprised if they broke their silence now just to refute information from an anonymous source.

In addition, there is also the possibility that one of the sisters or other family members may be called as a witness in the trial, anything is possible.

 

[Sundog]

DBM

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Air conditioning contractors?
Interesting because in High School Bryan studied air conditioning - HVAC - after he quit some type of ROTC.

2 Cents

Yeah. There was an HVAC guy in attendance at the house on the 8th Dec 22, but we have no idea why. Could it have just been to shut it down? Is that a thing? We have no use for domestic built in air conditioners in the UK so I have no idea how they work.

 

[arielilane]

Posting for information purposes only. Apology if any of these were already posted. I miss some of the posts here and additionally the thread is moving faster now. ​

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State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Latah County CR29-22-2805

Case Summary (Updated 05/19/23)

• 05/19/2023 Order Regarding Notice of Hearing Zoom Information (Redacted)
• 05/19/2023 Second Amended Notice of Hearing Criminal
• 05/19/2023 Second Amended Notice of Hearing Criminal
• 05/19/2023 Second Amended Order Vacating Hearing

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[katydid23]

Depends on what she said and the context.



No, it isn't the same, IMO. There are many people who stand behind their family members who have committed horrendous crimes. They don't defend them or make excuses for the crimes they committed, but they continue to love them. IMO, parents, especially, do this. If my kids were accused of a crime like this, I certainly wouldn't turn my back on them, especially not before trial. It's possible for a parent to believe their child belongs in prison if they're guilty of this type of crime, but still continue to love them. MOO.

If I believed that my son stabbed 4 kids to death, I would not publicly proclaim that I was 'standing behind him.'
I may or may not make any kind of public statement. It is hard to know.

But they are in a very horrible situation and my heart goes out to the family.

 

[Nova]

I've never heard of that either, though I suppose I have no reason to have heard of it! Of course, that contradicts other reports that the mail is going to the jail.

I think having the mail of a person awaiting trial for 4 homicides routed to his attorney makes sense. If that is true for BK, he had to have given his permission. We know that he (and others accused or convicted of similar crimes) has "fans" crawling out of the woodwork.

The guilty don't need access to the fan club and the not guilty don't need to concern themselves with jailhouse groupies.

Just speculating, but in addition to weeding out the hate mail, BK's lawyers may be vetting his mail for evidence that a penpal has knowledge of the crime only the "real killer" would know.

Were I BK's attorney, I wouldn't leave that job to the client.

 

[Kapua]

Depends on what she said and the context.



No, it isn't the same, IMO. There are many people who stand behind their family members who have committed horrendous crimes. They don't defend them or make excuses for the crimes they committed, but they continue to love them. IMO, parents, especially, do this. If my kids were accused of a crime like this, I certainly wouldn't turn my back on them, especially not before trial. It's possible for a parent to believe their child belongs in prison if they're guilty of this type of crime, but still continue to love them. MOO.

I agree 100% My former co-worker hired an attorney for his son who was tried and convicted for a drug-related murder and went to court every day of his trial. That is simply being a parent and demonstrating unconditional love. My co-worker was the complete opposite of his son, a very responsible and kind man.

 

[TL4S]

Why?
LE noted that MM and KG texted Kaylee's ex-friend several times not long before the murders. It's completely conceivable (IMO) that they were in MM's room together and purposely or accidentally fell asleep there. They were lifelong friends who hadn't seen each other in a while and were going to be separated for some time after KG left. They may have just wanted to hang out. The dog may have been asleep in the other room or just doing his own thing.

We don't know if their doors were open before the killer arrived or whether or not the dog was crated.

Those are all valid points. I guess I was going off of DM's statement that she thought she heard KG playing with Murphy. I'm making big assumptions here, but since KG's room was above DM's, I would imagine DM heard the sound of Murphy's paws on the wood floors (iirc, not carpeted?) before, and would recognize that. If the attack occurred in MM's room, would that have sounded the same to DM? Would she misinterpret that as happening in the room right above her? I mean, I don't know either way, and I'm sure LE clarified that with DM. It's just curious speculation on my part.

ETA: I might have the floorplan wrong here (wouldn't be the first time). Thanks for giving me the heads up @SpiderFalcon! So perhaps the Murphy thing is moot...

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE

As there has been MSM in relation to BK's past drug use, members may discuss and speculate about him in that regard.

As there is no MSM or other approved source to support speculation about drug use by any of the victims in this case, it is not victim friendly and not allowed.

 

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[iamshadow21]

I'm endlessly amazed at the tight timeline. The white elantra was seen going past at 4:04, X was on Tik Tok at 4:12, and the elantra was seen leaving at 4:20. From parking to leaving was 16 minutes or less. I believe KG and MM were killed before 4:12, so those 8 minutes account for the killer parking, walking into the house, walking upstairs, and killing two people. From 4:12 to 4:20, the killer walked downstairs, killed two more people, walked back out to the car, and left. Clearly it doesn't take long to take down people with a large knife like that, so I wouldn't have expected him to be there for an extended amount of time, but still...

It's fast, but Bundy was quicker. At Chi Omega, he entered through a door with a malfunctioning lock, taking a limb of oak firewood from a pile for a weapon. He attacked four (killing two, grievously injuring two), sexually assaulted two of those four, and got out in and out in under fifteen minutes. As far as we know, he'd never been in the sorority house before, and he attacked in near complete darkness. More than thirty witnesses were in earshot, and one actually witnessed him leaving and gave testimony at his trial. He then went on to attack another girl in her apartment very shortly after on the same night, also grievously injuring her.

I'm not saying that the perpetrator of this crime is a serial killer, had the same motivations as Bundy or anything like that. I'm holding it up as an example of a blitz attack in an unfamiliar home in darkness with multiple victims killed very violently with surviving housemates, including one who saw the perpetrator leave, with a tight, KNOWN timeframe, committed by one perpetrator.

Yes, this crime seems almost impossibly tight, but we know that it is theoretically possible for a single person in darkness to do without a walkthrough, because Bundy did what he did, plus sexual assaults, in a shorter timeframe. Only by a few minutes, but he did it, and we know the window because of the surviving eye and ear witnesses from Chi Omega. We know the timeframe here because of video of the car, phone data, and witnesses.

It seems like he went from zero to one hundred with no warning, but if this guy was a creepy crawler? If he's been creeping houses since he was a teen, creeping houses with people inside since late teens-early adulthood? If the perpetrator is BK, he's had over a decade to practice, the only new detail is the actual killing, which he's probably been fantasising about the entire time.

MOO

(Everything I have said about Bundy is known fact, in multiple sources including books, tv, the trial, etc. but they're all available for free on Ted Bundy - Wikipedia )

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Those are all valid points. I guess I was going off of DM's statement that she thought she heard KG playing with Murphy. I'm making big assumptions here, but since KG's room was above DM's, I would imagine DM heard the sound of Murphy's paws on the wood floors (iirc, not carpeted?) before, and would recognize that. If the attack occurred in MM's room, would that have sounded the same to DM? Would she misinterpret that as happening in the room right above her? I mean, I don't know either way, and I'm sure LE clarified that with DM. It's just curious speculation on my part.

MM's room was directly above DM's. KG's room was directly above kitchen. IMO

 

[TL4S]

MM's room was directly above DM's. KG's room was directly above kitchen. IMO

Oh, thank you! That d**n floorplan has always gotten the better of me! Okay, so now I must rethink...

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Those are all valid points. I guess I was going off of DM's statement that she thought she heard KG playing with Murphy. I'm making big assumptions here, but since KG's room was above DM's, I would imagine DM heard the sound of Murphy's paws on the wood floors (iirc, not carpeted?) before, and would recognize that. If the attack occurred in MM's room, would that have sounded the same to DM? Would she misinterpret that as happening in the room right above her? I mean, I don't know either way, and I'm sure LE clarified that with DM. It's just curious speculation on my part.

ETA: I might have the floorplan wrong here (wouldn't be the first time). Thanks for giving me the heads up @SpiderFalcon! So perhaps the Murphy thing is moot...

Regardless of whose room is where (which I can't keep track of either), I have also always assumed that Kaylee was playing with Murphy in her own room, heard something, and went to Maddie's room. But it depends on where and how Murphy was found. It doesn't make sense to me that she'd leave Murphy in her room with the door closed. IMO, this is also why KG's wounds were worse, according to SG. I can see a scenario in which she walked in to help Maddie and caught the killer by surprise and was subsequently stabbed much more viciously.

JMO.

 

[TL4S]

Okay, I've rethunk... So, if M and K were sleeping in the same bed, and killed in bed, then what was causing all the noise that DM heard? Does struggling on a bed sound the same as playing with a dog? LE said Murphy was locked in K's room with no sign of having been in the crime scene areas, so it doesn't sound like he was in M's room during the attack. Did one of the girls actually try to get away then, but was chased down and thrown back on the bed? In the scheme of things, I guess it doesn't matter, but I like to understand the details. I'm just curious if the killer was caught off guard with two girls in one bed, or if they were in two rooms and K came into M's room. The sounds still make me think K walked in on things. JMO.

 

[TL4S]

Regardless of whose room is where (which I can't keep track of either), I have also always assumed that Kaylee was playing with Murphy in her own room, heard something, and went to Maddie's room. But it depends on where and how Murphy was found. It doesn't make sense to me that she'd leave Murphy in her room with the door closed. IMO, this is also why KG's wounds were worse, according to SG. I can see a scenario in which she walked in to help Maddie and caught the killer by surprise and was subsequently stabbed much more viciously.

JMO.

Yes, that's exactly what I've always thought. That she surprised him, or even tried to get him off M, so he angrily turned his attack on her. I also think that could explain why he forgot the sheath laying there...distracted.

As a dog owner, I can say that when I'm suspicious of something outside, I adamantly block my dog from going outside with me to check. It's almost a protective feeling I get (probably the same feeling the dog is experiencing wanting to go out first). So if K was thinking she heard someone in the house, she might have locked Murphy in the room while she left. I still think it's possible DM really did hear KG saying, "someone is here," saying it to M as she walked in on the attack.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I didn’t realize that the arraignment was tomorrow. Is this just formality kinda thing or might some real information come out?

 

[U.N. Known]

DBM

 

[wary]

I didn’t realize that the arraignment was tomorrow. Is this just formality kinda thing or might some real information come out?

Let’s expect it to just be a formality.

 

[Kstate96]

Yes, that's exactly what I've always thought. That she surprised him, or even tried to get him off M, so he angrily turned his attack on her. I also think that could explain why he forgot the sheath laying there...distracted.

As a dog owner, I can say that when I'm suspicious of something outside, I adamantly block my dog from going outside with me to check. It's almost a protective feeling I get (probably the same feeling the dog is experiencing wanting to go out first). So if K was thinking she heard someone in the house, she might have locked Murphy in the room while she left. I still think it's possible DM really did hear KG saying, "someone is here," saying it to M as she walked in on the attack.

IMO if K walked in to M being brutally stabbed, she would have screamed, and since I doubt the killer shut the door behind him, she would have been able to see it before she entered the room. I think they were recapping the night and accidentally fell asleep in MM’s room, and Murphy was locked up long before BK entered the house. JMO