4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660416232552792065

 

[flowershop]

I think we all know how BK will plea.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660443305874968576

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660447318284578816

 

[I'm Nobody]

Got my popcorn ready and plan to get up early.


Good night to everyone except BK.


I don't watch FOX news but they are in Moscow and on twitter for any out of country people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660391165487874048

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660393679998312449

 

[arielilane]

Bryan Kohberger appears in court Monday, here's what we know and what to expect

MOSCOW, Idaho - The man charged with the murder of four University of Idaho students last November is set to be arraigned Monday.

www.khq.com

May 21, 2023

On May 22, Bryan Kohberger will appear in court for three different hearings.

At 9 a.m., he is scheduled to be arraigned. That's where he'll be read his charges again and could plea either guilty or not guilty.

A status conference on the gag order is scheduled for 10 a.m.

At 11 a.m., a series of motion hearings will be held over requests for discovery, a disagreement raised by the defense over the prosecution releasing all of the evidence to them.

 

[Boxer]

I think we all know how BK will plea.

It's always Not Guilty at this point. Then negotiations of warranted.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Got my popcorn ready and plan to get up early.


Good night to everyone except BK.


I don't watch FOX news but they are in Moscow and on twitter for any out of country people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660391165487874048

Yay ! I can't wait to hear what goes down, I will be away from devices all day, and will make some popcorn tomorrow night and join you "reporting in" I hope

 

[jepop]

ok, the what motivated him to act on that specific night? Yes, I was speculating, and I agree it could have been something internal to the killer, part of his plan, or a specific outside incident or incidents. As in I simply don't know aside from believing the killer had a reason for acting on that night. Everything in me screams that something led up to what happened -- something was going / had been going on that made the killer decide to act and to specifically target that house and the people in it.

Just seeing your post. I got it now - thank you! I agree the reason is most likely complex and unfathomable (to the rest of us). Actually I do think it was complex - unlike the road rage type of thing I mentioned in another post. See the everything in me screams sentence in the above paragraph. I think that whatever was or had been going on somehow led to the murders. At the very least I don't think it happened because he's misogynistic, or upset because he didn't have friends, or was turned down for a date. I think there was more to it. Something deeper and something darker. Just MOO and I could be way off base.

RBBM: Yes,that was I was trying to get at. I think we have understood eachother! It's not a case of saying "he is...[misogynistic, a loner, x]..." so that explains it. Ofcourse is speculation, but to me the crime itself...it is 'other'. MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660463265456046080

 

[jepop]

I totally agree with you on all points.

But Chief Fry said he believes BK acted alone.

Moscow murders: Police chief believes suspect Bryan Kohberger acted alone

Police in Moscow, Idaho believe the suspect in the killings of four Idaho college students acted alone, chief James Fry indicated to Fox News Saturday.

www.ktvu.com

Apparently, and from what I understand from LE statements, there is every reason to conclude the killer acted alone. I think forensic analysis of the crime scene would have assisted investigators to reach this conclusion but MOO.

 

[Idaho transplant]

Yay ! I can't wait to hear what goes down, I will be away from devices all day, and will make some popcorn tomorrow night and join you "reporting in" I hope

I thought it was interesting that an expert made the comment on the Dateline special that psycopaths do not feel remorse but they do feel fear. It will be interesting to watch his demeanor tomorrow.

 

[jepop]

DBM -repetitive

 

[jjleroche]

I actually wasn't being flippant - at least not totally. I've read over and over that he most likely killed them because one or more of them rejected him. By rejection, I'd take it to mean he asked one or more of them out or to have a cup of coffee with him (rather than outright sexual rejection, because i think he might be a bit tactless, but not so brazen as to ask a stranger to have sex with him right away). Of course I could be wrong.

As for being misogynistic: why would a man seem to have good friends who are women if he genuinely hates women? Granted he was apparently bullied p-

by girls when he was younger, and I can see anger, resentment and possibly psychological / emotional damage due to that, and I've wondered if boys bullied him too. Regardless it had to have an impact on him, and yet his friends from back then were his friends, and they've said he did have a small group of friends (which changed to another small group of friends when he started doing drugs). Same thing when he was in college (based on what we've been told). And a few said he'd do anything to fit in. So instead of hating women, I'd be more likely to believe he might resent and dislike people in general: or more specifically how people treated him.

A knife might be more personal, but it's quieter than a gun and faster than strangulation - and who ever did this, was apparently fast and effective. But I do see... not sure how to word this so it's not too much... It's like if you're really angry and you throw something at a wall. The act of throwing feels good and helps reduce the anger. And I can see that using a knife could do kind of the same thing. And to stab that many people, there would have to have been a lot of anger. I don't think I worded that very well, but again trying to watch what I'm saying.

I don't know what motivated the killer or what made him act on that particular night. Even if the house was being watched, what was different about that night? Something was, and IMHO, like I said, I don't think it was because someone said no to a date or a cup of coffee. That might make someone throw something at a wall, but it doesn't seem like it would make them kill four people. Then again, people kill other people over road rage and that doesn't make sense either. I can only look at what we've been told so far, and some things I can see and others I can't. In the other post, I mainly focused on the things I'm not buying - not at this point. Not based on what we know.

All MOO, IMO, etc

IMO the perpetrator's motive was the infamy/notoriety which would accompany him, should he successfully commit the perfect murder (in his fantasies only - as we know it wasn't perfect.)
Part of my reasoning behind this view is the tight tiimeframe in which the four murders were committed.

IMO he came to the house fully intending to murder - at least the three girls, and anyone else who was there. With a knife like the ka-bar, no-one would stand much of a chance if taken by surprise.
The "horror" factor would be far greater than if a different weapon, such as a gun were used. Whoever did it didn't muck around. MOO he wanted to murder as quickly as possible, and then get out. I don't imagine that time was spent viewing the scene and relishing the outcome.The timeframe also leads me to consider that a sexual assault was not in the plan. In the end, MOO the victims may simply have been a means to an end.

IF - BK is the perpetrator, he spent years studying the crimes of mass murderers - so do thousands of other criminology students, who would not dream of committing murder. IMO however, he had developed a fascination about the act of murder, rather than the murder(s) of a particular person(s). I suspect that Maddie and/or Kaylee caught his eye early on, and he decided that she/they would be suitable victims, partly due to their striking good looks and popularity, which would have made them quite well-known within the student community (thereby increasing the horror factor.) MOO.
IMO he may have been somewhat fascinated with Maddie and/or Kaylee - not nearly as much as the act of murder itself though, MOO.

IMO he was aware that Kaylee would be at the house at that time. MOO his compulsion to murder became unstoppable.

In a post which included some of his writings which were included in a post many threads ago (I'm trying to find it now) he spoke of difficulties feeling emotion, and recognised that he was cruel to his father, but remorse/conscience didn't seem evident. MOO another factor.

All MOO, JMO

RIP Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan

 

[Sundog]

IMO the perpetrator's motive was the infamy/notoriety which would accompany him, should he successfully commit the perfect murder (in his fantasies only - as we know it wasn't perfect.)
Part of my reasoning behind this view is the tight tiimeframe in which the four murders were committed.

IMO he came to the house fully intending to murder - at least the three girls, and anyone else who was there. With a knife like the ka-bar, no-one would stand much of a chance if taken by surprise.
The "horror" factor would be far greater than if a different weapon, such as a gun were used. Whoever did it didn't muck around. MOO he wanted to murder as quickly as possible, and then get out. I don't imagine that time was spent viewing the scene and relishing the outcome.The timeframe also leads me to consider that a sexual assault was not in the plan. In the end, MOO the victims may simply have been a means to an end.

IF - BK is the perpetrator, he spent years studying the crimes of mass murderers - so do thousands of other criminology students, who would not dream of committing murder. IMO however, he had developed a fascination about the act of murder, rather than the murder(s) of a particular person(s). I suspect that Maddie and/or Kaylee caught his eye early on, and he decided that she/they would be suitable victims, partly due to their striking good looks and popularity, which would have made them quite well-known within the student community (thereby increasing the horror factor.) MOO.
IMO he may have been somewhat fascinated with Maddie and/or Kaylee - not nearly as much as the act of murder itself though, MOO.

IMO he was aware that Kaylee would be at the house at that time. MOO his compulsion to murder became unstoppable.

In a post which included some of his writings which were included in a post many threads ago (I'm trying to find it now) he spoke of difficulties feeling emotion, and recognised that he was cruel to his father, but remorse/conscience didn't seem evident. MOO another factor.

All MOO, JMO

RIP Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, so far/at this time, I agree with you that BK had a fascination with the act of murder, rather than the murder of those he targeted.

 

[LoveyluvsThurston]

Wh6 would he target that area on spring break?
Maybe he traced someone down while in PA on SM and then went to the area?

Since that was spring break, maybe he decided to go check out the town- it could’ve been he already found the girls on social media and knew that spot was filled with young coeds.

 

[LoveyluvsThurston]

I think the obvious explanation is that BK entered the house while X was either on the lower level or in her bedroom. I think she went from her bedroom to the kitchen while BK was upstairs and noticed something off. A change from just minutes prior. I speculate an open slider or a pair of Vans.... so she told E someone was there. Meanwhile BK would have heard D and possibly X. He may have used X as a shield to control E... backing them both quietly into X's room. "I'm going to help you."

Unless M confided in someone who wasn't also murdered, we may never know whether or how many times BK had been in that house, rearranged items, etc.

A near invisible stalker.

I'll wager it started in his childhood home.

IMO he had full confidence in his stealth at 1122. He'd been practicing it for decades.

JMO

I was thinking about this the other day. When dateline brought up that there may have been practice runs (stalking, peeping maybe practice entrances) before a perpetrator works up the courage to act, maybe he did enter the house and Maddie’s room. Maybe he even took a souvenir that she wouldn’t notice gone. I’ll be honest- I wouldn’t notice a small item like lingerie or a t-shirt because I have tons of them. Plus- I remember leaving our house unlocked all the time. We were the party house. 4 roommates with people coming and going all the time. One of my roomies was quite the ladies man so we were used to seeing all kinds of people at the breakfast table or leaving at 3 in the am. We were used to seeing all kinds of people in the house at odd hours, honestly.
And it would’ve been quite possible for random people to wander in during a party and have access to walk around before being seen.

 

[Cindizzi]

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