4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[Deleted member 718]

Too bad the gag order applies to the attorneys. I'd love to hear comments from both sides, as we usually do in high profile cases.

 

[Deleted member 718]

FYI
Time zone in Moscow, ID (GMT-7)
Pacific Daylight Time

 

[Sundog]

So BK's arraignment will be at 9 a.m. Moscow time, which IIRC is 12 noon on the east coast? Just checking. I imagine there will be a flurry of activity leading up to the arraignment, from reporters outside the courthouse, people lining up to get a seat inside, etc. It's been a long time coming . . .

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660509345711554561

 

[jepop]

True, but Chief Fry said some other things that turned out not to be true (BF & DM on the first floor asleep is the biggest thing I can recall.) I could see LE keeping it on the DL if any other potential parties were suspected to be involved. I'm not saying that there are, but i'm not sure that Chief Fry's denial would mean much on that point. IMO.

I really don't think that LE would deliberately mislead the public on this. We know that the whereabouts of DM were kept from the public eye and that LE when pressed did make a statement to the contrary during the investigation, but this can easily be ascribed to both keeping the witness safe and to investigative procedure (ie not alarming the killer - who was not known/no suspect at that time). MOO

At arrest it was made very clear in public announcements that LE believed they had their suspect and that he acted alone, according to all their investigations. Quite a different situation from when investigations were still ongoing. The ramifications of deliberately keeping in the dark another uneliminated second suspect would be suicidal for the reputation of Moscow LE, the fbi and every other department involved in the investigation IMO. People would quite rightfully be up in arms if there is an uneliminated suspect known to LE out there who has not been apprehended. There is nothing at all, IMO, to suggest this. MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660521774990376960

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660528751070056448

 

[I'm Nobody]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660528751070056448

Thanks @kittythehare

Brian Entin said at 1:11 min of that clip that he believes he will be able to TWEET live from the court room.
OHHHHHHHH Yes. I hope so but doubt it.

 

[katydid23]

I actually wasn't being flippant - at least not totally. I've read over and over that he most likely killed them because one or more of them rejected him. By rejection, I'd take it to mean he asked one or more of them out or to have a cup of coffee with him (rather than outright sexual rejection, because i think he might be a bit tactless, but not so brazen as to ask a stranger to have sex with him right away). Of course I could be wrong.

I am leaning towards BK, IF guilty, acting in a rage, a long simmering rage based upon anger and resentment from a life full of rejection.

It is not at all like what you described above, however. It is not about him asking one of the girls to coffee and being 'rejected.' It is based upon an entire lifetime of loneliness, rejection and being ignored and/or bullied.

The girls in the King Street house were the perfect example of what he could never have in adolescence. They were the hot, popular girls who decided if ANY girls would bother to hang out with you. The mean girls, that run the social circles and can be so petty and cruel.

This is my theory:
He was fat and awkward as a child , his dad was the school maintenance man and his parents filed for bankruptcy-twice. All that places him on the bottom of the social totem pole. Then he had the vision problems which made him unable to do many activities that other kids take for granted.

He worked extremely hard to lose 100 pounds by his senior year but even that wasn't enough to gain the social acceptance and popularity he so strongly desired. But he did learn to box so he himself became a bully according to somme of his friends. He was angry and aggressive. And he began zoning out on heroin and pills to mask the inner emotional struggles.

By the time he was in college, he probably was reading and aligning himself with some of the most misogynistic online groups, who developed elaborate, sexist theories to blame others for their plight, based upon the belief that women are shallow, stupid and cruel — exclusively choosing only a handful of the most attractive men to be with and disdaining the rest. All men should deserve a chance with women, but some men [ like Ethan] have all the luck, while they get left out.
[obviously I don't agree with any to that^^^]

So these 'lucky' men are also objects of his hate and will receive the rage that has been building up.

As for being misogynistic: why would a man seem to have good friends who are women if he genuinely hates women?

No, to the ^^^ above because you are using 'women' as a broad term.He didn't hate all women---just the ones who bullied him./ignored/rejected him

Yes, he had friends who were women. But not the women who were popular and gorgeous, like he thinks he deserves. His friends you discussed were heroin buddies who would sometimes wallow in pity like he was doing. Or others who were also feeling like outcasts, most likely.

Granted he was apparently bullied by girls when he was younger, and I can see anger, resentment and possibly psychological / emotional damage due to that, and I've wondered if boys bullied him too.

Yes, but it is important to look at specifically 'who' was bullying him. In my theory, based upon my years working in the school system, it was the 'popular' kids that were being aggressive towards him and humiliating him. Males and females.

That kind of treatment, for years on end ,creates a tremendous amount of emotional and psychological damage.

Regardless it had to have an impact on him, and yet his friends from back then were his friends, and they've said he did have a small group of friends (which changed to another small group of friends when he started doing drugs). Same thing when he was in college (based on what we've been told).

But this small group of friends might have been reenforcing his anger and resentment, by also feeling like losers and outcasts. NOT ALL KIDS FALL INTO THAT TRAP. Many find their own niche and become talented in their own right, and have strong support groups which help them overcome the inner struggles.

But from what I can make out of BK's early history, that didn't really happen. He turned to heroin, instead of sports, or band, or drama club, or ROTC...so he did not find a solid group of stable friends.

I think in the PHD years he was still a loner and still a bit of an outcast but an angry rebellious one, imo.

And a few said he'd do anything to fit in. So instead of hating women, I'd be more likely to believe he might resent and dislike people in general: or more specifically how people treated him.

He did dislike and resent people , in general, imo. But he still saw women, specifically beautiful, popular women, as the trigger for his inner anger and turmoil.

A knife might be more personal, but it's quieter than a gun and faster than strangulation - and who ever did this, was apparently fast and effective. But I do see... not sure how to word this so it's not too much... It's like if you're really angry and you throw something at a wall. The act of throwing feels good and helps reduce the anger. And I can see that using a knife could do kind of the same thing. And to stab that many people, there would have to have been a lot of anger. I don't think I worded that very well, but again trying to watch what I'm saying.

EXACTLY--- to stab that many people so brutally and so quickly, translates into a lot of anger.

I don't know what motivated the killer or what made him act on that particular night. Even if the house was being watched, what was different about that night? Something was, and IMHO, like I said, I don't think it was because someone said no to a date or a cup of coffee.

You are right---had nothing to do with anyone saying 'no' to a coffee date. It was way past that time.

That might make someone throw something at a wall, but it doesn't seem like it would make them kill four people. Then again, people kill other people over road rage and that doesn't make sense either. I can only look at what we've been told so far, and some things I can see and others I can't. In the other post, I mainly focused on the things I'm not buying - not at this point. Not based on what we know.

All MOO, IMO, etc

In some ways, this was a kind of road rage. He had soooooooo much anger and resentment inside that it finally boiled over.
The King Street Party House was the perfect trigger.

It is not about being rejected for a date. It is about a deep inner rage based upon the belief that he will NEVER ever have the experience of a beautiful, popular woman desiring him and loving him and will never have other males respecting him , etc. And he was going to get vengeance for that travesty. That is my basic theory of what he was feeling when he flipped out and went for it.

 

[SLouTh]

Thanks @kittythehare

Brian Entin said at 1:11 min of that clip that he believes he will be able to TWEET live from the court room.
OHHHHHHHH Yes. I hope so but doubt it.

I hope so too !! As that will mean others of us, in the rest of the world, won’t need to stay up as late ….

Just popping this link forward from page 7 …. So that others who aren’t familiar with US time … know that it is approx 8 hours from now.…

 

[jepop]

I am leaning towards BK, IF guilty, acting in a rage, a long simmering rage based upon anger and resentment from a life full of rejection.

It is not at all like what you described above, however. It is not about him asking one of the girls to coffee and being 'rejected.' It is based upon an entire lifetime of loneliness, rejection and being ignored and/or bullied.

The girls in the King Street house were the perfect example of what he could never have in adolescence. They were the hot, popular girls who decided if ANY girls would bother to hang out with you. The mean girls, that run the social circles and can be so petty and cruel.

This is my theory:
He was fat and awkward as a child , his dad was the school maintenance man and his parents filed for bankruptcy-twice. All that places him on the bottom of the social totem pole. Then he had the vision problems which made him unable to do many activities that other kids take for granted.

He worked extremely hard to lose 100 pounds by his senior year but even that wasn't enough to gain the social acceptance and popularity he so strongly desired. But he did learn to box so he himself became a bully according to somme of his friends. He was angry and aggressive. And he began zoning out on heroin and pills to mask the inner emotional struggles.

By the time he was in college, he probably was reading and aligning himself with some of the most misogynistic online groups, who developed elaborate, sexist theories to blame others for their plight, based upon the belief that women are shallow, stupid and cruel — exclusively choosing only a handful of the most attractive men to be with and disdaining the rest. All men should deserve a chance with women, but some men [ like Ethan] have all the luck, while they get left out.

So these 'lucky' men are also objects of hate and will receive the rage that has been building up.

No, to the ^^^ above because you are using 'women' as a broad term.He didnt hate all women---just the ones who bullied him.
Yes, he had friends who are women. But not the women friends who were popular and gorgeous, like he thinks he deserves. His friends you discussed were heroin buddies who would sometimes wallow in pity like he was doing. Or others who were also feeling like outcasts, most likely.




Yes, but it is important to look at specifically 'who' was bullying him. In my theory, based upon my years working in the school system, it was the 'popular' kids that were being aggressive towards him and humiliating him. Males and females.

That kind of treatment, for years on end ,creates a tremendous amount of emotional and psychological damage.

But this small group of friends might have been reenforcing his anger and resentment, by also feeling like losers and outcasts. NOT ALL KIDS FALL INTO THAT TRAP. Many find their own niche and become talented in their own right, and have strong support groups which help them overcome the inner struggles.

But from what I can make out of BK's early history, that didn't really happen. I think in the PHD years he was a loner and still a bit of an outcast but an angry rebellious one, imo.


He did dislike a resent pool, in general, imo. But he still saw women, specifically beautiful, popular women as the trigger for his inner anger and turmoil.



EXACTLY--- to stab that many people so brutally and so quickly, translates into a lot of anger.


You are right---had nothing to do with anyone saying 'no' to a coffee date. It was way past that time.

In some ways, this was a kind of road rage. He had soooooooo much anger and resentment inside that it finally boiled over.

It is not about being rejected for a date. It is about a deep inner rage based upon the belief that he will NEVER ever have the experience of a beautiful, popular woman desiring him and loving him and will never have other males respecting him , etc. And he was going to get vengeance for that travesty. That is my basic theory of what he was feeling when he flipped out and went for it.

That's a very well thought out, detailed and plausible theory. Taking into account the potential speculated influence of the past. We are all informed and formed by our experiences over a lifetime. The long term view. Thank you for posting your ideas. Much food for thought.
MOO

 

[Charlot123]

ok, the what motivated him to act on that specific night? Yes, I was speculating, and I agree it could have been something internal to the killer, part of his plan, or a specific outside incident or incidents. As in I simply don't know aside from believing the killer had a reason for acting on that night. Everything in me screams that something led up to what happened -- something was going / had been going on that made the killer decide to act and to specifically target that house and the people in it.

Just seeing your post. I got it now - thank you! I agree the reason is most likely complex and unfathomable (to the rest of us). Actually I do think it was complex - unlike the road rage type of thing I mentioned in another post. See the everything in me screams sentence in the above paragraph. I think that whatever was or had been going on somehow led to the murders. At the very least I don't think it happened because he's misogynistic, or upset because he didn't have friends, or was turned down for a date. I think there was more to it. Something deeper and something darker. Just MOO and I could be way off base.

I can absolutely imagine something deeper and darker. After all, how many people might have this in their imaginary world, and none the wiser? The only thing is, usually one would expect a trail killer. A full frontal attack on the house is unusual.

 

[SLouTh]

I am the first to admit I don’t fully understand the US Court System…. However I think the following is correct??

The media is expecting a plea to be entered today …. But from what I have read, Idaho Law states that the defendant “may” enter a plea….. but the defendant can also request further time to enter a plea….

If, on the arraignment, the defendant requires time to enter a plea, the defendant must be allowed a reasonable time, not less than one day, in which to answer the indictment or information.

I.C.R. 10. Arraignment on Indictment or Information | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

Also from reading, it is my understanding, that the defendant can also apply for bail at an arraignment… Could BK attempt this today, to cause further outrage ???

However, this caveat may prevent a bail application ???? As Idaho has the death penalty…

Any person charged with a crime who is not released on his own recognizance is entitled to bail, as a matter of right, before a plea or verdict of guilty, except when the offense charged is punishable by death and the proof is evident or the presumption is great.

Section 19-2903 - RIGHT TO BAIL - LIMITATIONS, Idaho Code § 19-2903 | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Section 19-2903 - RIGHT TO BAIL - LIMITATIONS, Idaho Code § 19-2903, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database

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Appreciate your thoughts, and comments, if I have misunderstood this process ….

Just wondering how today will actually play out ??? With 6 hours to go …
All IMO

 

[Charlot123]

Question: maybe someone has come across it. Has it been mentioned anywhere if BK is still a vegan?

 

[kittythehare]

Question: maybe someone has come across it. Has it been mentioned anywhere if BK is still a vegan?

I think i heard mention that he is receiving the food he has demanded in prison, so if that is accurate probably yes.?

 

[maconrich]

EXACTLY--- to stab that many people so brutally and so quickly, translates into a lot of anger.


You are right---had nothing to do with anyone saying 'no' to a coffee date. It was way past that time.

In some ways, this was a kind of road rage. He had soooooooo much anger and resentment inside that it finally boiled over.
The King Street Party House was the perfect trigger.

It is not about being rejected for a date. It is about a deep inner rage based upon the belief that he will NEVER ever have the experience of a beautiful, popular woman desiring him and loving him and will never have other males respecting him , etc. And he was going to get vengeance for that travesty. That is my basic theory of what he was feeling when he flipped out and went for it.

RSBM (at no specific point -- just making it shorter)

Thank you for your articulate and well thought out response. We don't agree on everything, but there is definitely common ground. And I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you again.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Courts are given wide discretion when it comes to accepting or rejecting Alford pleas. Some judges have their own policies regarding Alford pleas. For example, some judges will not accept an Alford plea unless there is some evidence that the defendant has no recollection of what happened, for example the defendant was too intoxicated to remember what happened.


Make no mistake, an Alford plea is a guilty plea for all intents and purposes. Alford pleas can often carry with them unintended consequences.

Really there are few practical positive consequences to entering into an Alford plea rather than a normal guilty plea.

Can I Plead No Contest in Idaho? What Is an Alford Plea?

Sometimes defendants want to plead guilty and take advantage of an offer by the prosecution, even though they honestly feel that they are not guilty. This usually happens in cases where the prosecution offers a particularly favorable plea settlement, and the defendant believes there is a strong...

www.atkinsonlawoffices.com

As I understand an Alford plea, the defendant maintains his innocence but concedes that there is enough evidence to convict. In so doing, it affords the defendant the right to petition to introduce exculpatory evidence in the future, should any be discovered. While the defendant may not see much of a difference in sentencing, I see these 2 pleas as very different.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Source said that during the holidays, his sister brought up that BK had taken to wearing gloves, he had been near the Idaho killings, and drove an Elantra. She brought him up as a suspect, his Dad disagreed. Some family members went outside to look for evidence in the Elantra.

I wonder where he was during that search for evidence? Was this on a dateline episode, or where can I read about it? It sounds so surreal. It's Christmas, and the family is openly talking about their suspicions and doing searches of his car. Wow!!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Agreeing with you and Sister Golden hair here. I realize this will likely get buried by the revelations (?) from Dateline, but wanted to add an insight I heard the other day while following the Lucy Letby case.

A legal specialist was interviewed and made the point ( that we’re all well aware of) that since MSM focuses on lurid details in order to get clicks, any evidence that might point towards innocence may be ignored by MSM— it’s just not as exciting. He mentioned this especially happens during the trial period— MSM does not focus on the defense so that when a jury does find someone not guilty, the public may be shocked and disbelieving.

MSM is not really our friend, IMO.

All IMO.

Well said!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Along the lines of early postings -
Does anyone else remember a VERY early post on here from someone about whether the killer returned to the scene and their car was caught on tape? It was a video that showed a white car traveling on the road behind the house. The video did later come out publicly, but when it did I thought I remembered this same clip having been posted here WAY before.

I remember a still shot being posted here rather than a video. But I do remember someone pointing out a white car between trees in a pic.