4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[GoBuckeyes]

I was thinking brick and mortar, too, then I realized that many Amazon stores are both online and brick and mortar. I just went and did a search and found several such stores offering Ka-Bar knives (and also having a regular store). One has been a brick and mortar store since 1955, and operates stores via Facebook, Amazon and eBay. Looks as if there are at least a dozen - maybe as many as 20 such stores selling Ka-Bar knives. Another has been in business offline since 1987.

There are also wholesalers selling directly from Amazon.

At any rate, the trail of the knife seems to have been well-explored by investigators. As usual, each case makes us think about cultural practices that we might never have envisioned. I can see how many people would think buying off Amazon means "less traceable" or even "untraceable." OTOH, obviously, no one buys from Amazon without using a credit card of some kind. So...traceable.

imo

Amazon, untraceable, anonymity. One of these things is different than the others...

 

[arielilane]

JB Biunno #HeyJB

https://twitter.com/WFLAJB

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660089985255571457

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It's possible that the reason Dateline included the suitcase incident is because Moscow and other LE were at some point looking at other incidents in the 6 months or whatever before the murders, since the time that BK was accepted into the WSU doctoral program, or from the time he applied to the program.

I'm not defending the producers of the Dateline episode, just saying that they may not have just been fishing on their own, but a lot of these details may have been actual rabbit-holes that LE went down as they looked broadly at incidents in the community as they put together their case. Who knows.

But I thought it was verified that BK didn't arrive in WA until late July or August??

 

[arielilane]

Video is under 3 minutes.

 

[Boxer]

But I thought it was verified that BK didn't arrive in WA until late July or August??

Yes. But also DeSales was on Spring Break that week. So unknown if he made a preliminary trip to.WSU.

 

[kittythehare]

Is the Dateline thingy on U tube yet/ Does anybody have a link handy, please? I don't like those sorts of programmes but it will pass time.

 

[schooling]

It's always Not Guilty at this point. Then negotiations of warranted.

Am I correct in saying that 99.9% of judges wouldn’t accept any other plea at this moment?

 

[kittythehare]

Bryan Kohberger expected to enter plea for Idaho murders, future court dates could be set

Bryan Kohberger, the former criminology doctoral student accused of murdering four University of Idaho students, will appear in court Monday morning.

lawandcrime.com

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Nope. From your link:

"Chronotypes are the behavioural manifestations of the circadian rhythms"

The part I underlined is important. It's saying that not everyone is a night owl or morning person, that some people fall in between. But it doesn't say when people sleep. Your level of alertness can still be low in the morning, but you may still go to bed at 10 pm because you have a job or kids that require you to get up early. Likewise, you could have low level of alertness in the evening, but need to stay up until 2 am for work or some other reason.

That is different from what I was asking. The poster said BK doesn't sleep. I asked if it's that he doesn't sleep or he doesn't sleep at night? To date, I don't remember reading that BK doesn't sleep at all (which would be due to circadian disruption, not a variance of normal rhythm).

Drug abuse can cause that, too.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Do I recall correctly that the sheath was found at least somewhat underneath one of the victims (MM, maybe)? Could be he could not see where it ended up and/or did not want to spend more time or leave more evidence attempting to find and retrieve it. JMO.

My recollection is "beside" a victim.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Am I correct in saying that 99.9% of judges wouldn’t accept any other plea at this moment?

I suppose they'd have to accept a guilty plea if offered, but what's are the chances of that?

 

[Rumination1]

I have a suspicion that he set all this up .. there’s evidence designed to point towards him eg car, phone ,sheath, Amazon purchase
But also evidence set up to challenge that ( not sure what) because he’s a cocky one who thinks he can outwit the system and that’s what he wants to do … do it and get away with it by testing the court system

 

[kittythehare]

I have a suspicion that he set all this up .. there’s evidence designed to point towards him eg car, phone ,sheath, Amazon purchase
But also evidence set up to challenge that ( not sure what) because he’s a cocky one who thinks he can outwit the system and that’s what he wants to do … do it and get away with it by testing the court system

that is certainly something i have considered too.

 

[Nila Aella]

Do I recall correctly that the sheath was found at least somewhat underneath one of the victims (MM, maybe)? Could be he could not see where it ended up and/or did not want to spend more time or leave more evidence attempting to find and retrieve it. JMO.

My recollection is "beside" a victim.

Comparing the Payne AA and the Blaker search warrant exhibit A: Some differences.

Both are the same on arrival: wondering if they all went together to do the walk through. Both say "later" when referring to the sheath. Maybe the sheath was not visible on walk through and only discovered later. Was the door only used as a reference to placement? MOO

Payne

On November 13,2022, at approximately 4:00 p.m., Moscow Police Department (MPD) Sergeant Blaker and I responded to ll22 King Road, Moscow, Idaho, hereafter the "King Road Residence," to assist with scene security and processing of a crime scene associated with four homicides.Upon our arrival, the Idaho State Police (lSP) Forensic Team was on scene and was ' preparing to begin processing the scene. MPD Officer (OFC) Smith, one of the initial responding officers to the incident, advised he would walk me through the scene.OFC Smith and I entered the King Road Residence through the bottom floor door on the north side of the building.

Blaker

On November13,2022, at approximately 4:00 p.m., Moscow Police Department Corporal(CPL)Brett Payne and I responded to 1122 King Road, Moscow,Idaho, hereafter the King Road Residence to assistwith scene security and processing ofa crime scene associated with four homicides.Uponour arrival,the Idaho State Police Forensic Team was onscene and was preparingto beginprocessingthe scene.MPD Officer(OFC)Smith,one of the initial respondingofficers to the incident,advised he would walk me through the scene.Smith and I entered the King Road Residence through the bottom floor door on the northside ofthe building. OFC Smith and I then walked upstairs to the second floor

Payne

I also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side (when viewed from the door).

Blaker

I was later advised by ISP investigators they located a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side (when viewed from the door).

Payne

On the evening of Novernber 12, 2022, Chapin and Kemodle are seen by B.F. at the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive from approximately 9:00 p.m. on November 12 to l:45 a.m. on November 13. B.F. also estimated that at appoximately, 1:45 a.m. Chapin md Kernodle returned to the King Road Residence. B.F also stated ttrat Chapin did not live in the King Road Residence but was a guest of Kemodle

Blaker

On the evening of November 12,2022, Chapin and Kernodle are seen by B.F. at the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive from approximately 9:00 p.m. also stated that Chapin did not live in the King Road Residence but was a guest of Kernodle.


Payne

The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her room after seeing the male. D.M. did not state that she recognized the male. This leads investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene.

Blaker

The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D. M. locked herself in her room after seeing the male. This leads investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene.

MOO
BBM

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

Edit: changed Blaker AA to search warrant exhibit A

 

[TL4S]

I am leaning towards BK, IF guilty, acting in a rage, a long simmering rage based upon anger and resentment from a life full of rejection.

It is not at all like what you described above, however. It is not about him asking one of the girls to coffee and being 'rejected.' It is based upon an entire lifetime of loneliness, rejection and being ignored and/or bullied.

The girls in the King Street house were the perfect example of what he could never have in adolescence. They were the hot, popular girls who decided if ANY girls would bother to hang out with you. The mean girls, that run the social circles and can be so petty and cruel.

This is my theory:
He was fat and awkward as a child , his dad was the school maintenance man and his parents filed for bankruptcy-twice. All that places him on the bottom of the social totem pole. Then he had the vision problems which made him unable to do many activities that other kids take for granted.

He worked extremely hard to lose 100 pounds by his senior year but even that wasn't enough to gain the social acceptance and popularity he so strongly desired. But he did learn to box so he himself became a bully according to somme of his friends. He was angry and aggressive. And he began zoning out on heroin and pills to mask the inner emotional struggles.

By the time he was in college, he probably was reading and aligning himself with some of the most misogynistic online groups, who developed elaborate, sexist theories to blame others for their plight, based upon the belief that women are shallow, stupid and cruel — exclusively choosing only a handful of the most attractive men to be with and disdaining the rest. All men should deserve a chance with women, but some men [ like Ethan] have all the luck, while they get left out.
[obviously I don't agree with any to that^^^]

So these 'lucky' men are also objects of his hate and will receive the rage that has been building up.

No, to the ^^^ above because you are using 'women' as a broad term.He didn't hate all women---just the ones who bullied him./ignored/rejected him

Yes, he had friends who were women. But not the women who were popular and gorgeous, like he thinks he deserves. His friends you discussed were heroin buddies who would sometimes wallow in pity like he was doing. Or others who were also feeling like outcasts, most likely.




Yes, but it is important to look at specifically 'who' was bullying him. In my theory, based upon my years working in the school system, it was the 'popular' kids that were being aggressive towards him and humiliating him. Males and females.

That kind of treatment, for years on end ,creates a tremendous amount of emotional and psychological damage.

But this small group of friends might have been reenforcing his anger and resentment, by also feeling like losers and outcasts. NOT ALL KIDS FALL INTO THAT TRAP. Many find their own niche and become talented in their own right, and have strong support groups which help them overcome the inner struggles.

But from what I can make out of BK's early history, that didn't really happen. He turned to heroin, instead of sports, or band, or drama club, or ROTC...so he did not find a solid group of stable friends.

I think in the PHD years he was still a loner and still a bit of an outcast but an angry rebellious one, imo.


He did dislike and resent people , in general, imo. But he still saw women, specifically beautiful, popular women, as the trigger for his inner anger and turmoil.



EXACTLY--- to stab that many people so brutally and so quickly, translates into a lot of anger.


You are right---had nothing to do with anyone saying 'no' to a coffee date. It was way past that time.

In some ways, this was a kind of road rage. He had soooooooo much anger and resentment inside that it finally boiled over.
The King Street Party House was the perfect trigger.

It is not about being rejected for a date. It is about a deep inner rage based upon the belief that he will NEVER ever have the experience of a beautiful, popular woman desiring him and loving him and will never have other males respecting him , etc. And he was going to get vengeance for that travesty. That is my basic theory of what he was feeling when he flipped out and went for it.

I appreciate all of your thoughts here and think it's a likely scenario. I also think BK might have had a sort of undercover ops fantasy... like he was stealthily planning and carrying out a mission. And his targets were, like you said, the perfect people who he been mistreated by. Jmo.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Question: maybe someone has come across it. Has it been mentioned anywhere if BK is still a vegan?

It has been said that the jail is accommodating his diet requirements.

 

[arielilane]

Is the Dateline thingy on U tube yet/ Does anybody have a link handy, please? I don't like those sorts of programmes but it will pass time.

Dateline has not, however, someone (copied) posted it and another provided a summary of the Dateline episode. moo

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[Helechawagirl]

Yes that's right. Killing at different times.

Being caught his first time may have precluded him being a serial killer. JMO

 

[arielilane]

We’re live on the air through 7a then on our http://nonstoplocal.com channel starting at 8:45a with the latest from Moscow. I’ll be tweeting the hearings live.
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[arielilane]

University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger expected to enter plea Monday morning

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660510306345394177

https://twitter.com/KTVB