4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #80

[BeginnerSleuther]

He’s accused of breaking into a house he has no business in and murdering 4 people.

This entire case is about him and his perverse stalking behavior.

Interpreting/Projecting/Perceiving his actions in court as a continuation of this behavior isn’t particularly surprising. The ghoulish vibes he gives off doesn’t help.

But following that logic, then anyone who's arrested for anything forfeits their Constitutional rights unless they want it used against them. There's a reason these rights are protected for the innocent and the guilty.

JMO.

 

[arielilane]

9 hrs ago

https://twitter.com/JulieCourtTV

NOTHING TO SAY?! Why wouldn’t Brian Kohberger answer the Judge’s question on how he’s pleading? Makes no sense - especially if he didn’t do what the state of Idaho says he did!

NOT A WORD! Since Brian Kohberger didn’t answer the question of how he is pleading, the Judge entered not guilty pleas into the record.

#BREAKING - Brian Kohberger is formally arraigned! Not guilty pleas entered on all charges. Trial set for October 2, 2023. Expected to last 6 weeks.

 

[arielilane]

According to new court filings, the state has handed over 10,200 photographs to the defense through discovery requests.

https://twitter.com/KREMAmandaRoley

Here's what evidence prosecutors have provided to the Idaho murder suspect's defense

According to new court filings, the state has handed over 10,200 photographs to the defense through discovery requests.

www.krem.com

5.16.2023

Here's what evidence prosecutors have provided to the Idaho murder suspect's defense​

MOSCOW, Idaho — New court filings in the case of Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students last year, give some insight as to how much evidence police have collected for the prosecution.

Kohberger, 28, is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students in an off-campus home, 1122 King Road, in Moscow on Nov. 13, 2022. Police say they matched Kohberger's DNA found at the scene that was discovered on a knife sheath next to the bodies of Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves. Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were also stabbed to death in the same home, sometime in the early morning hours of that Sunday. Two roommates who were home at the time of the killings survived, unharmed.

 

[10ofRods]

Unfortunately, the lines between true journalists and infotainers continue to blur. It's become difficult to find even an MSM article or report without some infusion of opinion or worse speculation. I paused this post to see what a few generally respected MSM sources said about today's hearings. The reporter in the news piece wasn't bad and added only a little opinion. The article I read incorrectly quoted the publicly available PCA and clearly wanted to move the sympathy meter.

Neither instance was excessive, but IMO, if I cannot trust them to quote posted court documents correctly and without adding their opinions, the gag order should remain in place.

You mentioned journalists, but I'll add victim attorneys to the list.

It's, of course, your opinion that the MSM journalists were using opinion. I'd like to see an example of that opinion.

IMO. If the journalist's sources are stale (as you mention about one of the journalists), I get that. I guess I don't trust all MSM either, preferring instead to read here on WS (although I do write investigative pieces - I am not writing anything about this one, yet).

IMO. However, there's a long road between "Instant journalism" and "longterm, investigative journalism."

Journalists and victim attorney are in vastly different categories, to me.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Apologies if I am not getting the context correct on this but are you equating a defendant exercising a Constitutional right with perverse stalking behaviour towards women?

I think it's more like a metaphor or analogy, rather than an equation.

IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Excellent post. And weird, but studying human responses to murder (over the past 5000 years and into the fossil record going back to around 50,000) your point is well taken. Whatever efforts we make to have more rules and laws and trials, murder is murder. And people react to that.

I do believe that if human individuals had each discovered the bodies and known what that was like, trials would be different. If we go down the path of trying to "verify" every human perception, we'll be back to pre-historic justice (which is not pretty, but pretty effective; although...banishment into the hinterlands/ice floes is no longer possible, I don't think).



Any good journalist is going to 1) look at him and 2) be able to withstand it if he looks back. IMO.



Journalists look at people (esp. defendants). Usually, people look away. This is the staring thing that BK does that I have commented on earlier.

Good journalists do not choose whom they look at, far from it. It seems like an odd thing to say, since journalists are paid for what they see - and looking away is the opposite of what they should do. If we're going to take up a seat in a court room, I feel we who write about crime should have the common sense to pay attention to...the alleged murderer. I have no clue how a person can be a journalist if they can't withstand this.

IMO.

Journalist is trying to insert herself into her own story.

He saw alot of people sitting in the gallery.

BK didn't have time to single out both this journalist and then the person next to her. All he did is glance towards the gallery while he was walking through the courtroom on the way to his seat. Mere seconds.

Now every time BK looks towards the gallery he will be accused of staring at women, should he be blindfolded?

*Eye Roll*

2 Cents

 

[Luna20]

On News Nation you could see him tightening his jaw muscles like he did last time. Very controlled and assertive demeanor when responding to the judge.

BTK also made a silent plea.

 

[10ofRods]

Journalist is trying to insert herself into her own story.

BK didn't have time to single out both this journalist and then the person next to her. All he did is glance towards the gallery while he was walking through the courtroom on the way to his seat. Mere seconds.

He saw alot of people sitting in the gallery. Now every time BK looks towards the gallery he will be accused of staring at women.

2 Cents

Ah. Really good perception there. Definitely trying to "personalize" her blog. I can't quite count that as...journalism. But, OTOH, I do support young journalists in their learning process and hopefully, she's reading here?

IMO.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

9 hrs ago

https://twitter.com/JulieCourtTV

NOTHING TO SAY?! Why wouldn’t Brian Kohberger answer the Judge’s question on how he’s pleading? Makes no sense - especially if he didn’t do what the state of Idaho says he did!

NOT A WORD! Since Brian Kohberger didn’t answer the question of how he is pleading, the Judge entered not guilty pleas into the record.

#BREAKING - Brian Kohberger is formally arraigned! Not guilty pleas entered on all charges. Trial set for October 2, 2023. Expected to last 6 weeks.

That's not unheard of not to enter any plea. A WSer mentioned it last night that that might happen.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ah. Really good perception there. Definitely trying to "personalize" her blog. I can't quite count that as...journalism. But, OTOH, I do support young journalists in their learning process and hopefully, she's reading here?

IMO.

I'm sure if she's reading here it is to see what everyone is saying about her .....

 

[Charlot123]

It makes sense if he wants notoriety, which I believe he does. If it's not BK, then it's a prankster. Most people on the internet think they are well hidden and anonymous. Many criminals love talking to others about what they've done. Many criminals are also unstable.

He stopped the harsh grading because of Prof. S's intervention and the student complaints, as the simplest answer. He was planning to go home for winter break, according to what MSM has reported, ever since he came to Pullman. Family said that his father had planned to fly out since he dropped him off in August.

Disturbed individuals often want and don't want something, like fame. They are divided in their motivations, as many people are, but usually in a more pronounced and often incoherent way. The person who murdered these four beautiful young people is not normal. They are disturbed.


IMO.

Could be a prankster, or a broken egotist. Remember how many lives one of them almost ruined by his wild accusations, in another case?

While I agree that many of sadistic killers have Amon Göth's God complex, I think they might crave less, recognition and more, someone to share their hobby. But dyads are uncommon, and it is surprising that "the toolbox killers" could even find one another.

Surely he is disturbed. But the saddest part is, today we are wondering, how to prevent it, what to do, and tomorrow, there will be, probably accidentally, another g-protein or sigma-receptor found, and homicidal urges will be as treatable as bronchitis is today.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yes. But also DeSales was on Spring Break that week. So unknown if he made a preliminary trip to.WSU.

I seem to remember that they were on remote learning due to CoV. IIRC, that makes it much less significant that it coincided with spring break. moo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger is set to enter a plea today

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger is expected to appear in court on Monday for his arraignment and to enter a plea on first-degree murder charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger is expected to appear in court on Monday for his arraignment and to enter a plea on first-degree murder charges.

The 28-year-old graduate student is scheduled to be appear in a Latah County courtroom for an arraignment hearing in front of District Judge John Judge.

Last week, a grand jury indicted him on four counts of murder and one count of burglary. That meant a preliminary hearing previously scheduled for June has been canceled. If he enters a not guilty plea on Monday a proper trial date will then be set.

It would be nice if he pled guilty, and iirc there would be no painful trial ?
Unrealistic, I know ....

Thoughts for the parents of the victims.
BK took so much from those families !
Even though none were parents themselves yet, he took the future children they may have had, spouses, careers, and a full life of just doing and being.
Vile, selfish man.
Imo.

Is everyone ready to hang him without a trial?

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

But following that logic, then anyone who's arrested for anything forfeits their Constitutional rights unless they want it used against them. There's a reason these rights are protected for the innocent and the guilty.

JMO.

I grew up with the law. Generations of it. And I know this sounds corny, but I believe it is a noble profession, built on ideals that are bigger than one person or one case, and I believe the law should level the playing field and be fairly applied. The law allows us - if we let it - to rise above our petty emotions, personal feelings, irrational bias, unreasonable prejudice, illogical arguments, dangerous passions, blind hate, etc. Without that tempering, justice is just a feral desire, chanting for blood. And isn't that the same thing the person who slaughtered four people must have been acting on, their twisted psyche chanting for blood because of petty emotions, personal feelings, irrational bias, unreasonable prejudice, illogical arguments, dangerous passions, blind hate, etc.?

As you so much more succinctly said, Dr. S, there's a reason these rights are protected for the innocent and the guilty, and regardless of which BK is, I want the law to be nobly upheld and leave us with no doubt once justice is served.

edited to remove a wandering *

 

[heatherEdc]

BK appeared as awkward today during his arraignment as he did in January's initial hearing. Not sure why I expected him to be friendlier with AT. Everything I've seen of him on video screams total creep.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Did Dateline mention that the sister thought it was odd that BK started wearing nitrile gloves around the house during the time he was home for winter break? IIRC, someone on this thread posted that. If that is the case, that behavior, along with the national publicity that LE were looking for a white Elantra and BK drove a white Elantra, may have got her to thinking of the possibility. But I agree, there was likely some undercurrent, some niggling feeling, that it was possible, however difficult to imagine.

Have family made any statements lately of support or other thoughts? TIA

 

[GoBuckeyes]

BK appeared as awkward today during his arraignment as he did in January's initial hearing. Not sure why I expected him to be friendlier with AT. Everything I've seen of him on video screams total creep.

Fortunately, we don't convict the accused on appearance or perceived friendliness. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Could be a prankster, or a broken egotist. Remember how many lives one of them almost ruined by his wild accusations, in another case?

While I agree that many of sadistic killers have Amon Göth's God complex, I think they might crave less, recognition and more, someone to share their hobby. But dyads are uncommon, and it is surprising that "the toolbox killers" could even find one another.

Surely he is disturbed. But the saddest part is, today we are wondering, how to prevent it, what to do, and tomorrow, there will be, probably accidentally, another g-protein or sigma-receptor found, and homicidal urges will be as treatable as bronchitis is today.

I can't regard a mass murderer as a prankster. And I don't see much humor in the face of BK.

I do think they regard their "work" as a hobby or as a quest for greater human knowledge about a really awful subject.

He is disturbed, but illustrates just how hard it is to prevent, given our current system. We have no gatekeepers to knowledge about psychosexual murder (which is how I see this). I surely do hope you're right about being able to treat homicidal mania, but it sure looks to me as if there are way too many brain conditions/neuro conditions, etc, that will alway elude detection.

And in this case, I can't think of a single thing that the dead could have done, to prevent their own murders. Some of us have been scared (by assaults, etc) into not going out at night, but that's not the case here. I don't know what to say to young people who are putting their (sexualized) pictures up on SM - because most them are not assaulted or murdered, it's just a handful of cases. And "sexualized" is a matter of perception. I think young people are very savvy about where the line is, but it does them little good if strangers break into their houses in the wee hours of the morning, with the intent to murder

IMO. I don't know which other case you're alluding to, there are so many. (Amon Goth, I think - but I don't know the case). I believe this murderer acted alone. I don't know how we prevent it, it seems as if women, in particular, are still stuck in the "we have to modify our own lives" modality, rather than in counting on LE or prevention.

Sobering stuff. I do hope you're right that we'll gradually find ways of innoculating people with brain disorders (or at least properly medicating them) so that these things don't happen. That's a great point of view.

IMO.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Fortunately, we don't convict the accused on appearance or perceived friendliness. MOO

I can only imagine the comments if he'd been chatting her up. Or if he'd been looking at her with puppy eyes. Or if he'd stared too intently. Or if he'd looked at her and then away. Or if he'd looked like he wasn't scared. Or if he'd looked like he was scared. Or if he'd leaned in. Or if he'd leaned away. Or if...

Anyway, I think you get the point. There was nothing he could have done that would have been okay, and he'd have been judged regardless, and while you're exactly right that this should not be what justice is about, I do wonder sometimes...

All IMO.

 

[Boxer]

Is everyone ready to hang him without a trial?

Just opinions. My opinion is gulty, but he deserves a fair trial.