4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Dexter12]

Court documents say Xana was on TikTok at 4:12.

Someone was asking how could we know if the timestamps on the neighbor's camera were correct. I believe they are due to the fact that they are the same times that are being stated in court documents for the different events. When they pair the times for the car travel on that camera with the times that car/it's lights appears on other cameras in the neighborhood, they work out. Grey Hughes has a video(s) showing how the neighbor's video camera footage times are accurate by going between the document with all the times from all the neighborhood cameras and footage of him driving that same route.

Here are the exact time stamps from the neighbor's security camera:

4:17:33-4:17:35 voice(s) caught on camera
4:17:40 thud sound
4:17:53 dog starts to bark
4:20:45 headlights of killers car show up on camera followed shortly by the car itself coming within view

--end of voices to thud sound: 5 seconds
--end of thud to the dog starting to bark: 13 seconds
--beginning of dog barking to car headlights coming into view as it starts to speed away (which ----isn't necessarily when the car was started...the problem is, we don't know where he parked. If he parked on the hill to the side there would be several seconds between the car starting and when it turned onto the road in front of the house): 2 min 53 seconds

If the voice sounds came from inside the house, than IMHO the thud had to as well because those two things were only 5 seconds apart--not enough time for BK get from XK's room and out through the slider door to make that thud outside. When DM saw him, she didn't say he was running.

 

[Dexter12]

Thank you so much!

Is there any footage of the Door Dash driver?

 

[otto]

The more I look at the layout considering that Xana may have been in the living room eating she probably shut the sliding glass door. BK came in a few minutes later and went up stairs to target Maddie. Xana feels the draft after a bit and realizes " someone is here". 4:12 Xana on TicTok. Then she takes off her ear plugs and starts up the steps to see who is there. Maybe KG's ex.

Meanwhile DM is directly below Maddie's room and opens the door but sees nobody.


It's probably 4:13 now. DM has closed the door.

Xana may have been spooked by the noise in Maddie's room and runs towards her room to wake up Ethan but BK sees her and follows her. He may not have intended to go there but seeing Xana fleeing he chases her down and attacks her in the doorway. 4:17:33 - 4:17:35 whimpering or voices. 4:17:40 Thud.

Unknown time DM opens the door and peeks through the crack and sees BK walk right past her into the kitchen.
4:19:07 to 4:21:50 DM CALLS everyone in the house. BF, XK, KG, MM. No one answers .
4:17:53 13 seconds later dog barking is recorded on camera. (I think BK is out of the house)

18 seconds later 4:22:08 DM texts BF No one is answering
I'm rlly confused rn
4:20:45 BK's car lights are caught on camera followed by his car.
DM and BF exchange texts and DM runs down to her room.

I'm now wondering if BK had no intention of killing Xana and Ethan. But he has his second surprise of the night.
Everyone in the house was incapacitated by 4:19 or earlier.
IMO

How does the latent footprint tie into this? Iirc as he left after killing XK and EC most likely. She was on the floor bleeding out and we know BK sat down. There was a lot of blood but there
Isn't any footprints anywhere else ?

That puzzles me . I haven't watch the dateline documentary. Am I close to what they reported?


EBM

My understanding is that the food was delivered to Xana through the front door on the first floor. I also thought that she was eating in her bedroom.

When the food arrived, she went down the hallway, down the stairs to the front door, back up the stairs, back down the hallway and into her bedroom.





Front door. Xana's bedroom is middle floor on the right.
Images:

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/state/idaho/article271013167.html

This initial affidavit has a lot of information about what happened in the house during the night

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne Seeking Arrest of Bryan C. Kohberger

www.documentcloud.org

 

[SteveP]

Is there any footage of the Door Dash driver?

I would assume that the same security cam that showed the white Elantra making multiple passes by the house also picked up any other vehicle traffic that went by, including the Door Dash driver, and I am sure that LE have seen it, but as that person had no part in the murders, there is no reason for LE to release that footage. JMO

 

[SteveP]

My understanding is that the food was delivered to Xana through the front door on the first floor. I also thought that she was eating in her bedroom.

When the food arrived, she went down the hallway, down the stairs to the front door, back up the stairs, back down the hallway and into her bedroom.

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floor plan

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/state/idaho/article271013167.html

Nothing other than the time of delivery, 3:59am has been confirmed, although I am sure that LE know to where, but there has been speculation, partially based on coordinates shown on the DD delivery ticket, that the DD delivery may have been made to the 2nd floor slider, which kinda makes sense, as that is the level that XK's room is on, and she could have gotten the delivery without having to go downstairs and back up, risking awaking BF. JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

Nothing other than the time of delivery, 3:59am has been confirmed, although I am sure that LE know to where, but there has been speculation, partially based on coordinates shown on the DD delivery ticket, that the DD delivery may have been made to the 2nd floor slider, which kinda makes sense, as that is the level that XK's room is on, and she could have gotten the delivery without risking awaking BF. JMO

I swear I remember seeing a picture of the bag from JITB with her name on it in the kitchen but I haven't been able to find it.

Took me awhile to find the PCA and the information retrieved from phones.

I guess I must have been persuaded she was in the living area. As a roommate I wouldn't want DD driving up to the front door and leaving my food then having to go up and down steps in the middle of the night possibly disturbing my roommates .

But I'm not 20 nor do I use DD.

 

[SteveP]

I swear I remember seeing a picture of the bag from JITB with her name on it in the kitchen but I haven't been able to find it.

Took me awhile to find the PCA and the information retrieved from phones.

I guess I must have been persuaded she was in the living area. As a roommate I wouldn't want DD driving up to the front door and leaving my food then having to go up and down steps in the middle of the night possibly disturbing my roommates .

But I'm not 20 nor do I use DD.

Here ya go...

BTW, on the first page of every new thread, up at the top with the previous threads, is a link to a photo gallery chock full of photos, collected by poster @cujenn81.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

 

[Kudzuu]

Here ya go...

BTW, on the first page of every new thread, up at the top with the previous threads, is a link to a photo gallery chock full of photos, collected by poster @cujenn81.

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University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

How did you find that so fast! Thanks

So no matter where she ate she came to the kitchen and set her bag behind the sink. Maybe that's when she saw the door open.

Did the dateline documentary have a theory about XK and EC?

I'm still trying to hook up to see it.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Is there any footage of the Door Dash driver?

I agree with SteveP that LE enforcement will have the footage and that it hasn’t yet been released.

Here’s the Gray Hughes Investigates video that uses a court document to speculate how BK modified his route in response to seeing the Door Dash driver, and to guess where the driver left Xana’s food (using the Door Dash GPS coordinates mentioned by SteveP):

I’m not sure how accurate the GPS coordinates are and am skeptical that Xana would ask a driver to clamber up the rocky side of the house to drop off her food order next to the kitchen slider instead of simply leaving it in front of her front door.

The patio may have been lit by fairy lights, or Xana might have turned on the kitchen light for the driver, but I imagine the side of the house would be very dark and pose a tripping danger at 4 in the morning.

To my knowledge, it was only in the day-time body cam footage that the police traveled up the side of the house to the kitchen slider to meet a party-goer (Kaylee), and they did that only because no one would respond to their knock on the front door.

IMO

 

[otto]

Nothing other than the time of delivery, 3:59am has been confirmed, although I am sure that LE know to where, but there has been speculation, partially based on coordinates shown on the DD delivery ticket, that the DD delivery may have been made to the 2nd floor slider, which kinda makes sense, as that is the level that XK's room is on, and she could have gotten the delivery without having to go downstairs and back up, risking awaking BF. JMO

The front door is at the parking lot. I don't recall a clear path or stairs leading from the parking lot to the kitchen door.

I came across this earlier today. They were in their bedrooms at 4 a.m.

"All five tenants, plus Chapin, were home by 2 a.m. on the morning of the killings, and everyone was in their bedrooms by 4 a.m., according to statements to police by surviving roommates Funke and Mortensen. Police believe the Nov. 13 attack took place between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m."

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/state/idaho/article271013167.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Megnut]

Do we know whether DM said anything on the occasions whem she opened her door?

DM didn't probably know that XK was awake and getting a food delivery.

The timing is so tight.

4 am, XK gets her DD, goes to her room to eat.

4:10-12, BK enters, goes upstairs. If DM heard something, maybe XK did too.

XK hears DM, if DM said anything.

XK goes to the kitchen. Either the door was open, in part or whole, or BK did some weird toiletry rearranging/microwave staging. He moved something. The door. Her takeout bag. Something.

If XK heard DM, maybe XK was answering DM, there's someone there. (I almost think it had to be KG who said it. XK would say there's someone HERE. KG would say there's someone THERE.. IMO.)

Unreal, considering what hell unfolded, that DM never saw XK moving around, only saw one person one time.

 JMO

 

[QB2022]

I'm surprised with how fast he sped off that neither DM or BF heard the car. I can hear when the boy racers put their foot to the ground from a few roads away at night

 

[LinasK]

If Dateline is correct, I think it's relatively easy to reconstruct the crime. He enters, goes to the top (meanwhile he just misses Xana who is unpacking her food), finds Kaylee in Maddie's room and decides to go for it anyway. Quickly tries to kill Maddie who doesn't have any chance to fight back but this wakes Kaylee up who does. This pisses him off and he's extra brutal with her because of it because his perfect crime got ruined. In the mean time Xana, like Dylan, hears the commotion upstairs and goes to check. She finds Kohberger doing what he is doing and he attacks her, she runs down the stairs to her room trying to get Ethan with Kohberger coming in straight (which is probably where the loud thud is heard from). He immediately sees Ethan starting to wake up and dispatches him quickly then goes back to Xana while trying to make her relax with the 'i'm here to help you'. At this point he probably carves Ethan's legs in frustrated rage and sits for a second to get his bearings. He then leaves either missing Dylan or seeing her but deciding it's not worth it as he has already spent too much time in the house.

I don't think there was any actual fight besides Kaylee and Xana. Ethan was way too inebriated and sleepy to have realized what is going on before he was killed. Kaylee too as the same and to her it was probably instictual as Bryan was killing her friend. The only one who fought back was Xana because despite her being drunk, at least she was awake.

Well, the thing is - Bryan has no reason to plea. The only reason would be to take the DP off the table, but I doubt the prosecution will be willing to do that. This is a very, very important case for Idaho and they are going to want to make an example out of him. They also hold all the cards and their case is very strong. Furthermore, I do not think the parents will go for it. At least I'm sure the Goncalves won't relent on the DP. What can Bryan even give them? Motive? Who was his true victim? That isn't gonna change anything. Besides come trial both of those things might become clear. He has nothing to bargain with.

And to piggyback onto your post- the other big reason that plea bargains are offered is to reveal the locations of the body(s), which isn't a factor in this case.

 

[otto]

Do we know whether DM said anything on the occasions whem she opened her door?

DM didn't probably know that XK was awake and getting a food delivery.

The timing is so tight.

4 am, XK gets her DD, goes to her room to eat.

4:10-12, BK enters, goes upstairs. If DM heard something, maybe XK did too.

XK hears DM, if DM said anything.

XK goes to the kitchen. Either the door was open, in part or whole, or BK did some weird toiletry rearranging/microwave staging. He moved something. The door. Her takeout bag. Something.

If XK heard DM, maybe XK was answering DM, there's someone there. (I almost think it had to be KG who said it. XK would say there's someone HERE. KG would say there's someone THERE.. IMO.)

Unreal, considering what hell unfolded, that DM never saw XK moving around, only saw one person one time.

 JMO

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23564649-122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne-seeking-arrest-of-bryan-c-kohberger/?mode=document​

p. 5​

A short time later, D.M. said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of "there's someone here."

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Does anyone remember that People Magazine came out with some information about an imminent arrest of a suspect, right before BK was arrested? He was arrested on December 30th 2022, so, I think they came out with information like a week before. I tried to search it in old People magazine info, but I did not see it. I think what happened was they released a news release and it was not in the actual magazine. Anybody have any information on this? Because I remembered from the information that they said something like, they have a suspect they're going to arrest soon, and then they also said, "He had help." So I wanted to see the wording on that.

 

[LinasK]

The reality is that probably over half of the people visiting here care mainly about the facts and ultimately the outcome of the case and therefore once the outcome is pretty much determined (suspect identified and arrested, specific evidence released to the public so that they can determine if they think the suspect did it and that there is strong case, and defense lawyers motions judged on), 90% of those 50% leave the case and move on to the next one.

Most people who dismiss that as a motive behind their own interest, are not honest enough with themselves to understand that deep down, this is part of the attraction.

I want justice for each case. And once I am satisfied they have enough facts to have arrested the right person, I am relieved and pull back a little knowing that justice will be served.

Just my studied opinion, of course.

I'm following this particular case because of a personal interest in it. I'm not a verified insider, so I'm not allowed to state it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

How did you find that so fast! Thanks

So no matter where she ate she came to the kitchen and set her bag behind the sink. Maybe that's when she saw the door open.

Did the dateline documentary have a theory about XK and EC?

I'm still trying to hook up to see it.

Her leaving the bag behind the sink is a supposition, though. At the point the pictures were taken, who might have already been in the house and inspected or moved the bag? She might have left it there, or she might have left it in another location where they needed to dust for fingerprints and they already inspected the bag. The best I can say is that it is likely the bag was in the kitchen. I, personally, would NEVER put a paper bag behind a sink, because it would get splashed with water and be useless if it contained something. Food would go into the fridge, trash would be trashed. BUT since Murphy was there, that might have been a reason to put it back behind the sink until you could take the trash out for fear the dog would eat the bag if it just had a smell or scraps. Or the killer could have put it there. But we don't know that XK did, IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

If Dateline is correct, I think it's relatively easy to reconstruct the crime. He enters, goes to the top (meanwhile he just misses Xana who is unpacking her food), finds Kaylee in Maddie's room and decides to go for it anyway. Quickly tries to kill Maddie who doesn't have any chance to fight back but this wakes Kaylee up who does. This pisses him off and he's extra brutal with her because of it because his perfect crime got ruined. In the mean time Xana, like Dylan, hears the commotion upstairs and goes to check. She finds Kohberger doing what he is doing and he attacks her, she runs down the stairs to her room trying to get Ethan with Kohberger coming in straight (which is probably where the loud thud is heard from). He immediately sees Ethan starting to wake up and dispatches him quickly then goes back to Xana while trying to make her relax with the 'i'm here to help you'. At this point he probably carves Ethan's legs in frustrated rage and sits for a second to get his bearings. He then leaves either missing Dylan or seeing her but deciding it's not worth it as he has already spent too much time in the house.

I don't think there was any actual fight besides Kaylee and Xana. Ethan was way too inebriated and sleepy to have realized what is going on before he was killed. Kaylee too as the same and to her it was probably instictual as Bryan was killing her friend. The only one who fought back was Xana because despite her being drunk, at least she was awake.

Well, the thing is - Bryan has no reason to plea. The only reason would be to take the DP off the table, but I doubt the prosecution will be willing to do that. This is a very, very important case for Idaho and they are going to want to make an example out of him. They also hold all the cards and their case is very strong. Furthermore, I do not think the parents will go for it. At least I'm sure the Goncalves won't relent on the DP. What can Bryan even give them? Motive? Who was his true victim? That isn't gonna change anything. Besides come trial both of those things might become clear. He has nothing to bargain with.

Just a couple of thoughts from me: 1. I really, really wish that this house had not been demolished. I'm sure the jurors will wish that they had an opportunity to walk through the stages of the crime in the location where the crime happened. 2. You're right, there is absolutely no reason that the State should accept a plea deal.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Her leaving the bag behind the sink is a supposition, though. At the point the pictures were taken, who might have already been in the house and inspected or moved the bag? She might have left it there, or she might have left it in another location where they needed to dust for fingerprints and they already inspected the bag. The best I can say is that it is likely the bag was in the kitchen. I, personally, would NEVER put a paper bag behind a sink, because it would get splashed with water and be useless if it contained something. Food would go into the fridge, trash would be trashed. BUT since Murphy was there, that might have been a reason to put it back behind the sink until you could take the trash out for fear the dog would eat the bag if it just had a smell or scraps. Or the killer could have put it there. But we don't know that XK did, IMO.

I doubt the police would take an official picture of it if it was not in the original position. I doubt they would move anything at that point. Some people theorize she put it there to wash her hands. Or maybe she got herself a glass of water.

 

[gremlin444]

Court documents say Xana was on TikTok at 4:12.

Someone was asking how could we know if the timestamps on the neighbor's camera were correct. I believe they are due to the fact that they are the same times that are being stated in court documents for the different events. When they pair the times for the car travel on that camera with the times that car/it's lights appears on other cameras in the neighborhood, they work out. Grey Hughes has a video(s) showing how the neighbor's video camera footage times are accurate by going between the document with all the times from all the neighborhood cameras and footage of him driving that same route.

Here are the exact time stamps from the neighbor's security camera:

4:17:33-4:17:35 voice(s) caught on camera
4:17:40 thud sound
4:17:53 dog starts to bark
4:20:45 headlights of killers car show up on camera followed shortly by the car itself coming within view

--end of voices to thud sound: 5 seconds
--end of thud to the dog starting to bark: 13 seconds
--beginning of dog barking to car headlights coming into view as it starts to speed away (which ----isn't necessarily when the car was started...the problem is, we don't know where he parked. If he parked on the hill to the side there would be several seconds between the car starting and when it turned onto the road in front of the house): 2 min 53 seconds

If the voice sounds came from inside the house, than IMHO the thud had to as well because those two things were only 5 seconds apart--not enough time for BK get from XK's room and out through the slider door to make that thud outside. When DM saw him, she didn't say he was running.

So, to add to that timeline, we have another point in time from the state's MIL about the phone calls and texts.

BK was out of that house by 4:19:07.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-REDACTED-States-Motion-inLimine-RE-Text-Messages-Testimiony.pdf

From 4:19:07 to 4:21:50, DM called BF, MM, KG, and XK but no one answered. DM called BF again, and BF answered. They talked briefly, and then from 4:22:08 to 4:24:27, the two girls were texting each other about what DM had seen. The texts start with BF already talking as though she knew the person DM saw was in all black because she then offers up that XK had been wearing black.

Also in that document it states DM heard the male voice saying "It's okay, I'm here to help you" BEFORE she opened the door the last time.....I've seen some people speculate he was saying to to DM, but that's not what she recounts.