4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[PunishThenForgive]

PA accidentally put in Michelle Bolger's name and rewrote the order with BA's name, but DM had already published their story.

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

The State's Witness list isn't out, but I think they will have called her (KR). She's the one that has written and co wrote many books and had a chummy relationship with BK and his parents after he was arrested. (She was born in Ann Arbor btw)

The other one MB, is being called by the Defense in this lastest round of summons to appear.

JMO - Please correct me if I'm wrong.

KR would be a great witness! And you make a great point—if one side summons a witness, it makes sense that the other side doesn't have to.

Michelle Bolger, however, was replaced by Brandon Andreola on the Pennsylvania court document page. She may still testify for the defense, though. We have no way of knowing since the defense’s witness lists are also sealed for both stages of the trial.

 

[girlhasnoname]

KR would be a great witness! And you make a great point—if one side summons a witness, it makes sense that the other side doesn't have to.

Michelle Bolger, however, was replaced by Brandon Andreola on the Pennsylvania court document page. She may still testify for the defense, though. We have no way of knowing since the defense’s witness lists are also sealed for both stages of the trial.

A little right and a little wrong. I corrected my posts.

 

[katydid23]

PART 2:

And here’s a screenshot of the last two cases listed in the search results for Bryan Kohberger on the Washington Odyssey Portal:

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Note that the 17th case, 25-1-00051-01, is in Adams County, not Whitman, and instead of the “Type” being “MSC2 Miscellaneous - Civil,” Bryan C. Kohberger is listed as the “Party.”

Here are screenshots of this case:

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And the link: Case 25-1-00051-01 (You must first enter the Odyssey Portal for Kohberger, Bryan to see this case.)

So for this case the State of Washington is the plaintiff (instead of Kohberger, as in the Whitman County cases) in a criminal case (not a civil one, as in the other cases), and Kohberger is the out-of-state defendant.

I suppose the differences in the cases could be due to them being based in two different counties. But I suspect the Idaho prosecution wants Tim DeWulf to testify for their side in this case. <modsnip>

IMO

From above post^^^:
"I suppose the differences in the cases could be due to them being based in two different counties. But I suspect the Idaho prosecution wants Tim DeWulf to testify for their side in this case. <modsnip>


THIS^^^ is really interesting. Are they going to try to bring in evidence or testimony concerning the shenanigans that night in the fraternity party that Ethan and Xana attended? Is that part of their 'alternative suspect' theory?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Still no response by the State to AT’s sealed offer of evidence for her alternate perpetrators theory. It was due last Friday, June 6, the day after the State’s sealed Opposition to Defendant’s Motion to Continue was posted. Perhaps the State’s opposition addresses both issues? I don’t see how, though, since I don’t believe AT cited needing more time to investigate alternate perpetrators in her motion to continue.

IMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

That would be wonderful as the State would then be able to Cross them. The most interesting to me on that list is the other DeSales Prof. She had nothing but glowing remarks about BK helping him get accepted into the WSU Doctoral Program.

BK worked closely with KR, who made phone contact with the family after BK's arrest - unheard of IMO, especially after BK was charged with such a heinous crime.


Question ...KR is being subpoenaed by the State directly? There is some kind of connection there with BK IMO.

MOO

This was my point UT. Thanks for validation!

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This was my point UT. Thanks for validation!

I believe Katherine Ramsland called BK’s parents after his arrest to offer her support, but Michelle Bolger was the professor who touted him as one of her best students ever. Of course, BK apparently made straight As during his master’s program at DeSales, so he did well in Ramsland’s courses, too.

What unsettles you about either professor or their potential testimony for the state or defense?

 

[Sachi]

I believe Katherine Ramsland called BK’s parents after his arrest to offer her support, but Michelle Bolger was the professor who touted him as one of her best students ever. Of course, BK apparently made straight As during his master’s program at DeSales, so he did well in Ramsland’s courses, too.

What unsettles you about either professor or their potential testimony for the state or defense?

Was it established if his Masters was for the most part, done online or in person in a class with a professor?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Still no response by the State to AT’s sealed offer of evidence for her alternate perpetrators theory. It was due last Friday, June 6, the day after the State’s sealed Opposition to Defendant’s Motion to Continue was posted. Perhaps the State’s opposition addresses both issues? I don’t see how, though, since I don’t believe AT cited needing more time to investigate alternate perpetrators in her motion to continue.

IMO

What if no response to the sealed offer of evidence for her alternate perpetrators theory was needed because it was too silly to bother with and they could poke holes in 10 seconds flat during a trial? Just wondering......

 

[MassGuy]

Kind of a lot going on here:

As expected, the state is objecting to a trial continuance and the defense’s alternate perpetrator motion.

The defense has filed a motion to have an independent expert review certain evidence. There’s no telling if this pertains to DNA, digital evidence, or something else.

There is a Stipulated Motion to the Admission of Additional Exhibits as Evidence at Trial with a Proposed Order Granting Admission. So both sides agree to admit whatever this is.

The defense has also filed an emergency order, but that could pertain to so many things that I can’t even speculate.

No documents available.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Was it established if his Masters was for the most part, done online or in person in a class with a professor?

According to the DeSales University Website, their Master of Arts in Criminal Justice is entirely online.


Right after Kohberger’s arrest, the Daily Mail reported the following, based on their interview with Michelle Bolger:

Bolger, 33, who has been an Associate Professor at DeSales for the past eight years, said she taught Kohberger, 28, last year in an online class and helped him with his master's thesis project.

'He was an online student in the criminal justice master's degree program and graduated in June 2022,' said Bolger.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The state has objected to the defense’s alternate perpetrator, and motion to continue. The defense is also trying to perform independent analysis of some sort of evidence.

No documents available.

Yay!!!

When I checked a little before noon today, the Case Summary was last printed on Friday, June 6, with no docs for that day.

The Case Summary was finally printed again at 3:18 pm this afternoon (Monday, June 9), listing 11 new docs for June 6 (including the State’s sealed objection to the defendant’s offer of proof of alternate perpetrators), and four new docs for today.

Yet again, the court clerk likes to make us wait for the good stuff, lol.

 

[Megnut]

Well.... they aren't going to want to test BK's DNA from the sheath. Because that would just yield confirmation.

Maybe another shot at the DNA under MM's nails. Which has a greater chance of belonging to someone MM encountered during her night out than any assailant, being as she was asleep and attacked without notice or capacity to fight back.

They're pretty desperate if they're trying to test stuff now, two months before trial.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Kind of a lot going on here:

As expected, the state is objecting to a trial continuance and the defense’s alternate perpetrator motion.

The defense has filed a motion to have an independent expert review certain evidence. There’s no telling if this pertains to DNA, digital evidence, or something else.

There is a Stipulated Motion to the Admission of Additional Exhibits as Evidence at Trial with a Proposed Order Granting Admission. So both sides agree to admit whatever this is.

The defense has also filed an emergency order, but that could pertain to so many things that I can’t even speculate.

No documents available.

Well.... they aren't going to want to test BK's DNA from the sheath. Because that would just yield confirmation.

Maybe another shot at the DNA under MM's nails. Which has a greater chance of belonging to someone MM encountered during her night out than any assailant, being as she was asleep and attacked without notice or capacity to fight back.

They're pretty desperate if they're trying to test stuff now, two months before trial.

JMO

Humph—15 new docs listed on the Case Summary, but only one order to seal added to the Idaho Cases of Interest page.

It looks like Hippler’s move for increased transparency has reversed as the trial approaches (or he’s paying everyone back for the Dateline leaks).

I suppose at this late date, AT’s motion for independent analysis of evidence (and possibly her motion for emergency order) are related to her alternate perpetrators theory, as @Megnut suggests.

Likewise with the stipulated* motion to admit additional evidence at trial. If Hippler decides to allow AT to admit evidence supporting her alternate perpetrators theory at trial, the prosecution will have to admit its own evidence to counter AT’s evidence. I guess the prosecution has to prepare, regardless.

What I want to know is this: If AT really thinks some other dude did it, why didn’t she start combing through the thousands of LE tips over two years ago?

It only makes sense for her to drag her feet until now if she actually thinks her own dude really did it.

IMOO
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*A stipulated motion is essentially a joint motion, where both sides agree on a certain course of action.

 

[SteveP]

Humph—15 new docs listed on the Case Summary, but only one order to seal added to the Idaho Cases of Interest page.

It looks like Hippler’s move for increased transparency has reversed as the trial approaches (or he’s paying everyone back for the Dateline leaks).

I suppose at this late date, AT’s motion for independent analysis of evidence (and possibly her motion for emergency order) are related to her alternate perpetrators theory, as @Megnut suggests.

Likewise with the stipulated* motion to admit additional evidence at trial. If Hippler decides to allow AT to admit evidence supporting her alternate perpetrators theory at trial, the prosecution will have to admit its own evidence to counter AT’s evidence. I guess the prosecution has to prepare, regardless.

What I want to know is this: If AT really thinks some other dude did it, why didn’t she start combing through the thousands of LE tips over two years ago?

It only makes sense for her to drag her feet until now if she actually thinks her own dude really did it.

IMOO
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*A stipulated motion is essentially a joint motion, where both sides agree on a certain course of action.

AT is doing her job, but she is no dummy. She knows who really did it. JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I wonder why Kohberger chose a PhD program that accepts so few of the 30 hours of graduate coursework he completed for his M.A. degree in Criminal Justice at DeSales University.

If his ultimate goal was to enter academia, why did he choose an institution with a terminal masters degree in the first place?

Perhaps BK never really intended to pursue an academic career. He certainly didn’t make much of an effort at WSU, after all.

Instead, he may have intended to pursue a more practical career in crime, one with a particularly audacious and heinous initial foray.

And he may have chosen WSU, a university so very close to the Washington-Idaho border, because he thought it would improve his chances of not getting caught. As @SteveP speculated in an earlier thread:



IMOO

Not all courses would be accepted in any case. They would be evaluated for equivalency, whether the MA course is equivalent to the same course in the PhD program. For example, a required statistics course or a research methods course may be the same across levels and institutions.

So any DeSales courses accepted would have to cover the content of a course in the WSU program, whether required or elective. And I'll let my PhD bias show here. The most difficult part of a PhD is learning how to do research at a high level and in particular, how to conform to the methodological requirements of the field, including how to develop a research project suitable for dissertation credit. We know, for example, of BK's bizarre and inappropriate and failed attempt at "researching" criminals through Reddit. We know that he had to switch from some kind of quantitative project to a narrative thesis in order to finish his program. Even if WSU accepted those credits, a student who had issues with research in the past would be smart to take the new institution's methods courses.

It would be interesting to know if BK submitted courses and if any were accepted.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I believe Katherine Ramsland called BK’s parents after his arrest to offer her support, but Michelle Bolger was the professor who touted him as one of her best students ever. Of course, BK apparently made straight As during his master’s program at DeSales, so he did well in Ramsland’s courses, too.

What unsettles you about either professor or their potential testimony for the state or defense?

Just wanted to make the point when I did my degrees, I took MA exams with 6 or 7 other people. All of us passed but I was the only one approved to move on to the PhD. The kind of problems BK had on his MA thesis or final project would not have ended in an A grade in a top program.

 

[Chloegirl]

Just wanted to make the point when I did my degrees, I took MA exams with 6 or 7 other people. All of us passed but I was the only one approved to move on to the PhD. The kind of problems BK had on his MA thesis or final project would not have ended in an A grade in a top program.

I think the DeSales online Masters is the equivalent of University of Phoenix, which is a bit ironic. Of course, I have no idea about the reputation truly. But it is not like we have ever heard of it before BK. JMOO

DeSales University - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Motto "Be who you are and be that well"

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Just wanted to make the point when I did my degrees, I took MA exams with 6 or 7 other people. All of us passed but I was the only one approved to move on to the PhD. The kind of problems BK had on his MA thesis or final project would not have ended in an A grade in a top program.

Yes, I’m surprised Michelle Bolger didn’t backpedal on her recommendation of Kohberger for a PhD program when he “ran out of time” for his M.A. project.

He may be relatively weak in quantitative reasoning (people on the spectrum can have “spiky” cognitive profiles), which is a problem for anyone doing any kind of sociological research at the doctoral level.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I believe Katherine Ramsland called BK’s parents after his arrest to offer her support, but Michelle Bolger was the professor who touted him as one of her best students ever. Of course, BK apparently made straight As during his master’s program at DeSales, so he did well in Ramsland’s courses, too.

What unsettles you about either professor or their potential testimony for the state or defense?

Not really concerned about them testifying, it’s what was behind a phone call to parents? That seems awfully cozy. Maybe if he had been in fourth grade and was only kid not invited to a birthday party … but this is grad school … the grown up world. MOO.

If any of us got arrested for alleged MURDER, would our managers call our families? MOO.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I think the DeSales online Masters is the equivalent of University of Phoenix, which is a bit ironic. Of course, I have no idea about the reputation truly. But it is not like we have ever heard of it before BK. JMOO

DeSales University - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Motto "Be who you are and be that well"

DeSales is a small, regional Catholic liberal arts college in a pretty depressed part of the country, and it’s enrollment has been decreasing, like many similar colleges across the country.

Its online M.A. in Criminal Justice program is most likely targeted toward people who work in law enforcement full time but want to increase in the ranks.

The fact that BK impressed his DeSales professors can partly be explained, I guess, by a lack of competition, but WSU also thought he could make it as an academic.

I’m not sure if people who grew up with parents who went to college, then went to college themselves, or had parents who are doctors, then too became doctors, can understand how hard it can be to break through to the next level—even if your teachers, your equally-gifted but more privileged peers and their parents are rooting for you and trying to show you the way.

It’s difficult to leave one’s class behind, one’s early experiences and friends behind, and there are just things that are unspoken that you never do figure out.

Anyway, BK has spent most or all of his life as a duck out of water—even in his own family, at least once puberty hit. And now, because of his heinous acts, he’ll forever be a duck out of water—and a caged one, at that.

IMOO