4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #87

[jepop]

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No live stream, but sporadic analysis and reporting. On and off

 

[Gemmie]

Need to run, will try to post later.

Oh no! Who are you passing the baton to??

 

[Jurisprudence]

Is this being streamed?

 

[10ofRods]

I feel I have to say that genetic genealogy's proper *academic* home is anthropology (if one is a four field anthropologist - which not all programs are). That's because we have to take and pass graduate courses and exams on both kinship (including every form of genealogy under the sun - because people's statements about their ancestry are one thing; their genes are another) and genes. We take graduate level courses in both topics (when I was in school, we had more units in kinship than in genetics - which is why I do go around calling myself a genetic genealogy "expert." Bill Durham is and was a genetic genealogy expert. Luca Cavalli-Sforza and Spencer Wells are genetic genealogy experts. To the extent that I have carefully studied under them or with them, I have some expertise (and have written affidavits, but *never* without objectivity, never just in favor of one side - Judges are sometimes the ones doing the asking but a good criminal defense attorney wants objective truth, not oddball challenges based on "I heard someone somewhere made a mistake.")

None of my affidavits, though, were on genetic genealogy (although I have assisted many, many people in doing their own GG work - and teach basic techniques in my own lab; using computers, obviously).

This is my professional opinion, though (note the word opinion). Genes are facts and if, for example, I had 600,000 SNP's from Bryan Kohberger in a data file and could look at them (one from his buccal swab; one from the sheath), I could offer what are basically facts (legal and biological). Not opinion. Genes are not theoretical. And that's why we define things carefully in science. There are laws of reproduction, just as there are laws of motion.

IMPO.

And now an opinion:

that new GG person the defense is using is not an expert. That indeed is JMO.

 

[Jurisprudence]

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I expected this to start 30 mins from now so I'm thrown off. I see a commentator here. Is there live stream of the hearing inside?

 

[samsmom]

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[maskedwoman]

From Twitter, Judge called a 10 minute break. Second witness up next. Tweet timestamped 5 minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692605604655980999

 

[Chloegirl]

I expected this to start 30 mins from now so I'm thrown off. I see a commentator here. Is there live stream of the hearing inside?

Court TV is going live right after the break they are experiencing right now, it's all subject to the delay from the courts.

 

[maskedwoman]

Mercer testified for 30 minutes. Prosecution asked no questions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692605301487460607

 

[jepop]

Court TV showing first part of hearing in about 5 minutes apparently. c11.45am

 

[NyxNY]

I expected this to start 30 mins from now so I'm thrown off. I see a commentator here. Is there live stream of the hearing inside?

No live stream allowed. Court TV is the pool camera. You will be able to view it there when it's over. It will also be provided to other news outlets.

 

[Gemmie]

Is this being streamed?

No.

 

[jepop]

I expected this to start 30 mins from now so I'm thrown off. I see a commentator here. Is there live stream of the hearing inside?

No

 

[10ofRods]

From the Notice of Filing Declaration it seems to be the Defense's attempt to discredit the DNA testing:

14. These database tools have known loopholes that allow a genealogist to see matches that have explicitly declined to participate in law enforcement matching. This is not a glitch in the programming causing this by accident. It is a standard feature within the tools that essentially tricks the system into displaying all matches as opposed to only those who have consented to law enforcement matching. This is not a loophole nor is it something you will stumble upon. Using the tool this way requires effort and knowledge.

1. Databases for law enforcement cases require a fee be paid in order to upload the genetic profile, this is not the same for consumers who are not charged. Many in the field have been known to upload to these sites as a regular consumer to avoid paying the associated fees and to bypass having opted out matches. In addition, some databases restrict law enforcement uploading cases; however that has not prevented it from happening.
2. I am aware that law enforcement has obtained results in ways prohibited by the terms of use and prohibited by their own policies.

I'm a bit confused. I thought that Othram specifically tells all its clients that the site is LE-friendly and that's kind of their purpose? They advertise themselves as a forensic site.

So on what grounds is the Defense basing this? Or, should I say, on what grounds is the Defense Expert basing her claim?

Because yes, 23andme will NOT cooperate without a subpoena - which is why Othram exists. And Parabon and many others.

It is not a database FOR law enforcement exclusively - the participants, however, know that by uploading their results to Othram they are aiding LE. There are a couple of WSers who've taken their 23 results over to Othram, to help. I'm considering doing it myself. More of us should do it.

Am I missing something? (Thank you so much for pulling those lines out of the documents).

IMO.

 

[jepop]

Court TV showing delayed first section pre-break right now.

 

[DeDee]

Appears to be older (posted today) video and some may have already seen; however, it's nice visual, imo. Video under 5 minutes.

Retracing the steps of the alleged #Idaho4 student killer #BryanKohberger. #CourtTV's
@chanleycourttv dives deep into the probable cause affidavit to follow the clues on the night #MadisonMogen, #KayleeGoncalves, #XanaKernodle, and #EthanChapin were brutally murdered.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692570801759830514

Chanley, Former Miss Arkansas, @ Court TV is the quintessential Barbie. She stayed in the frosty area for weeks then took a sabbatical. I adored every coat, hat and scarf she wore. Chanley is an asset for CTV.

This video is an excellent visual aid. Thank you for reposting it for us, arielilane.

 

[maskedwoman]

They are back. Leah Larkin up next

 

[I'm Nobody]

Steve Mercer:
Steve Mercer is a practicing lawyer in Maryland (1995) and the District of Columbia (1997). Steve’s experience and expertise focus on the use of scientific evidence in criminal and civil litigation. Steve is considered one of the nation’s top attorneys on the subject of complex mixtures of touch DNA.......Steve is also actively involved in criminal justice reform legislation, education, and public commentary on issues involving the reliability of forensic science and the impact of technology on civil liberties. .........Steve is passionate about the particular issues related to DNA mixtures, touch DNA, the continued expansion of law enforcement DNA databanks, and emerging law enforcement techniques such as using the similarities of DNA between related persons to identify family members of individuals in a DNA databank. His views are often discussed and debated in national news media. RacquinMercer LLC

SO. My take. The D is planning to use this case to try to establish new rules about LE using genetic DNA websites even though the state didn't plan to use genealogy at trial? The D has to get it in somehow.
MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

Alex Caprariello

@alcaprari23
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Court TV is our pool camera inside the courtroom today. There is no live feed available for other networks and affiliates, but that will be shared later today on
@NewsNation
. We will also have liveshots throughout the day recapping today's hearing.

They must not be streaming live though

 

[passionflower]

The way BK stared at female prosecutor was creepy JMOO