4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #87

[schooling]

The trial is a game of errors for the defense as MOO their client is almost certainly guilty.

It reminds me of the case re: Rapper/Singer/Whatever Tory Lanez shooting the other rapper Megan the Stallion (feel silly just typing that out).

He was found guilty and sentenced to 10 years. He clearly did it even though a large percentage of his more misogynstic fans think it's some sort of setup. Before his sentencing he hired Jose Baez to start working on his appeal and represent him in case a new trial is ordered.

Baez was quoted as saying he's already found numerous procedural errors to base his appeals off of. Wonderful.

It really is a gotcha game. And it seems like more an more attorneys are building back up plans by contesting and requesting every single thing they can. Even things that they are not typically entitled to.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Northern Idaho is unique in respect to some individuals/groups that are; anti-government, anti-law enforcement, and, let's just say - freedom fighters. If ever there was a place to find that one juror, it could be there.

Well if they can't see straight due to conspiracy brain, then they can't. DA has to proceed with a straight case, which he has.

 

[Boxer]

It reminds me of the case re: Rapper/Singer/Whatever Tory Lanez shooting the other rapper Megan the Stallion (feel silly just typing that out).

He was found guilty and sentenced to 10 years. He clearly did it even though a large percentage of his more misogynstic fans think it's some sort of setup. Before his sentencing he hired Jose Baez to start working on his appeal and represent him in case a new trial is ordered.

Baez was quoted as saying he's already found numerous procedural errors to base his appeals off of. Wonderful.

It really is a gotcha game. And it seems like more an more attorneys are building back up plans by contesting and requesting every single thing they can. Even things that they are not typically entitled to.

MOO

Agree. Its just maturing legal
warfare. System needs some updating.

 

[schooling]

Do not understand the post.

It's a play on the 4th wall detached voice narrative commentary trope/mechanic popular in a lot of movies. Particularly during flashbacks or other moments of exposition. Screenwriters are told to show, not tell. But when it's absolutely necessary to tell and you can't do it through dialogue. You can use this cheap trick.

Picture someone reading the quoted line. And then read that response immediately in Morgan Freeman's God voice and it might make more sense.

Gotta love when i have enough time to type that out...fridays!

 

[kittythehare]

Well if they can't see straight due to conspiracy brain, then they can't. DA has to proceed with a straight case, which he has.

The conspiracy brains will need weeding out during selection..

 

[Boxer]

The conspiracy brains will need weeding out during selection..

It seems they are not up to the duties of a citizen.
Sad.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Thank you for posting this. It's very interesting.

Seems to me (MOO) that she's pulling a little from here, a little from there, a little Vallow, a little OJ. Try it all and see if something sticks. The OJ attack on LE worked. And, my gut tells me she's planning to attack them. Not a fan of this tactic unless there is legitimately some corruption that should cause one to pause. The notion here that LE across 3 states, 4 jurisdictions when you include the Feds, was all-in on some grand conspiracy to frame some no-name grad student across the state border seems a stretch at best as does the idea that the LE officer(s) training records she obtained (again, not normal) somehow revealed such deep character flaws - despite that they remained on the job, that we should believe they are likely to have planted evidence. I hope the judge holds her on a short leash bc tarnishing someone's good name and reputation without any basis in fact would be outrageous imo.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

Northern Idaho is unique in respect to some individuals/groups that are; anti-government, anti-law enforcement, and, let's just say - freedom fighters. If ever there was a place to find that one juror, it could be there.

Well, that's discouraging. I will hope that if there is that one juror that one juror is proceeding that way based on the evidence and not bc they have an issue with LE.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

But they found Lori Vallow Daybell guilty (fingers crossed)

Down in Boise (sigh)

 

[Jurisprudence]

I'm curious too. Wasn't the GGI used for the arrest? Are they trying to get the arrest thrown out???

JMO

No, the trash was. The IGG was only a tool used to get a lead. This is why they were surveilling him. If the IGG would have been enough they wouldn't have waited if that makes sense.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

Seems to me (MOO) that she's pulling a little from here, a little from there, a little Vallow, a little OJ. Try it all and see if something sticks. The OJ attack on LE worked. And, my gut tells me she's planning to attack them. Not a fan of this tactic unless there is legitimately some corruption that should cause one to pause. The notion here that LE across 3 states, 4 jurisdictions when you include the Feds, was all-in on some grand conspiracy to frame some no-name grad student across the state border seems a stretch at best as does the idea that the LE officer(s) training records she obtained (again, not normal) somehow revealed such deep character flaws - despite that they remained on the job, that we should believe they are likely to have planted evidence. I hope the judge holds her on a short leash bc tarnishing someone's good name and reputation without any basis in fact would be outrageous imo.

jmo

Planting evidence before any suspect identified not possible.

Nonsense attacks are manipulation.
The manipulation in play is for delay and to force an error.

 

[Boxer]

So the defense expert Dr.Leah Larkin is saying because geneology DNA is not flawless (what is error percentage?) that there is no match between the sheath and BK? Obviuosly this is not one of the cases where there is a flaw.

But wait just as a back up the defense is accusing police of planting or contaminating the murder weapon sheath with BKs DNA before they started collecting video and investigating.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Well if they can't see straight due to conspiracy brain, then they can't. DA has to proceed with a straight case, which he has.

I will always argue against vigilante justice, mob justice, “prison” justice, etc., but I think this is one case where if somehow this mass murderer gets off on a technicality, he’s not going to live very long unless he’s given a new identity or something. Not saying I endorse it, just that it will be too egregious for the public to handle. I can’t think of another similar case with this many victims.

 

[Idaho transplant]

Latah County is very different to the rest of Northern Idaho, demographically.

IMO.

Very true.

 

[Balthazar]

I've never seen a shred of evidence that being vegan "is known to help" with VSS (or any other neurological disorder). Indeed, I believe the scholarly evidence says the opposite (mostly "no known help from diet" but also "perhaps made worse through vegetarianism/veganism - not specifically for VSS but for neurological/neurochemical disorders, of which VSS is just one).

The only person I know of who has said veganism helps is...Bryan Kohberger. On TapATalk. Fibromyalgia (which may or may not be a neurological disorder) is supposedly helped by raw vegetarian/vegan diet (according to just one study). And, certainly, a plant-based diet does help with certain metabolic disorders (insulin-resistance in particular). VSS is not a metabolic disorder.

I don't even see much juried research on whether diet helps VSS at all. The only study I can find that had benefits for sufferers focuses on sleep hygiene (including use of sleep medications - the sleeplessness makes the psych symptoms worse; the anxiety and depression eased with more sleep - so the idea is that VSS sufferers should not embrace their insomnia, but try to improve their sleep).

I believe the protected information in this case is the genetic data of the relative of Kohberger, who has nothing to do with this case, is not going to be a witness, and whose data is about to be explored by the Defense, if the Defense gets its way. That's my take, anyway.

JMO.

Dr. Charles Shidofsky, OD, FCOVD a well known neuro-developmental optometrist known for successfully treating VSS and other disorders says that he believes that an anti-inflammatory diet is a huge part in managing visual snow symptoms. People come to him from all over America because of the success of his regimen and he also treats professional sports teams. Veganism is the most anti-inflammatory diet there is. I agree there have been no medical studies about this, however.

That's an interesting thought about the genetic data. Thanks for these thoughts!

 

[Sincerely]

I will always argue against vigilante justice, mob justice, “prison” justice, etc., but I think this is one case where if somehow this mass murderer gets off on a technicality, he’s not going to live very long unless he’s given a new identity or something. Not saying I endorse it, just that it will be too egregious for the public to handle. I can’t think of another similar case with this many victims.

I also say that if somehow he gets off on a technicality due to his attorney using manipulation tactics, he should go and live with, or next to, her. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the rights of defendants but I am not for these shady games.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So the defense expert Dr.Leah Larkin is saying because geneology DNA is not flawless (what is error percentage?) that there is no match between the sheath and BK? Obviuosly this is not one of the cases where there is a flaw.

But wait just as a back up the defense is accusing police of planting or contaminating the murder weapon sheath with BKs DNA before they started collecting video and investigating.

Another argument could be that there is someone else who has the same DNA in which case are they going to go on a wild goose chase looking for BK's identical twin!?

I guess the defence is preparing an argument that the sheath could have been contaminated with BK's DNA somehow and / or that BK has been set up. If so, that would require a whole explanation and narrative. I guess it's always slightly possible that BK was set up but had he been so, it wouldn't be difficult to prove.

 

[ilovewings]

So the defense expert Dr.Leah Larkin is saying because geneology DNA is not flawless (what is error percentage?) that there is no match between the sheath and BK? Obviuosly this is not one of the cases where there is a flaw.

But wait just as a back up the defense is accusing police of planting or contaminating the murder weapon sheath with BKs DNA before they started collecting video and investigating.

This is so predictable-- my concern is that some juror or jurors will buy the BS. I remember the Lana Clarkson case where the Phil Spector' defense (in the first trial alleged she committed suicide- and some juror bought the BS and there was a mistrial. Ultimately he was convicted. There are other high profile cases we can all think of that we might laugh at the BS defense, but some juror bought it.

 

[wary]

And the defense won't deny it. They'll muddy up the video and cellular evidence by questioning reliability and expertise but not directly contradict it. And if there is evidence of wifi/bluetooth handshakes then being caught on camera DRIVING close enough to the house to grab those is a MUCH MUCH better explanation than being inside.

The game plan looks like it's going to be BK was driving around looking to party/score, had no motive to go in the house, LE rushed to judge because of pressure, he was a better patsy than the driver in the Sentra and their original timeline(or genealogy came in). So they went with it.

They'll also use DM and BF to muddy up the timeline and push the murders to after 5am, and challenge them on random people they didn't know in the house during parties (they are likely to admit they didn't recognize everyone during every party). With the implications that - BK could have been there before and dozens of other strangers could have been there and had motive.

None of it will work though.

Well, if BK was at a party at the house, then his defense attorneys lied when they said there was no connection between him and the murder victims. Nothing surprising about that, of course.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

This is so predictable-- my concern is that some juror or jurors will buy the BS. I remember the Lana Clarkson case where the Phil Spector' defense (in the first trial alleged she committed suicide- and some juror bought the BS and there was a mistrial. Ultimately he was convicted. There are other high profile cases we can all think of that we might laugh at the BS defense, but some juror bought it.

Some juror might, they can only prosecute.
They found the guy and now their process is on trial.