4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

[10ofRods]

It's obvious from these warrants he didn't have a facebook account nor an instagram one.
It is probably just one of the many unsubstantiated lies/rumors in this case.

It's obvious that at the time the warrants were drawn up, they did not know his handles on SM, that much is clear. What they have now might be different and we just don't know. We're only getting information related to the motions and hearings demanded by the Defense.

We have no clue what was in the 50TB of discovery - which is almost certainly a bit larger by now.

IMO. So it's not obvious to everyone - that's an opinion.

To jump to "BK had no SM accounts and everyone who thinks he did is lying" is a big jump, given how little we know. And, btw, MSM has reported differently - and we're allowed to cite MSM here on WS. This discussion has occurred many times over these dozens of threads - there's a lot more to it than you suggest.

IMO. At any rate, I do believe I posted 5 MSM links on this topic yesterday, so will not post again for a while.

 

[Diogenetic]

We have no clue what was in the 50TB of discovery - which is almost certainly a bit larger by now.

Agree. Although high resolution video imagery from several days or longer of all the security cameras that may or may not have captured his car a few score of security cameras couple easily be much or most of that 50tb. add in high def smartphone videos from everyone involved as a suspect, victim, witness or social media acquaintance and you could have 100 tb or more..
the prosecution/investigators probably threw in the kitchen sink on warrants, and will are going to throw in the kitchen sink and just do a data dump for the defense so they can't be accused of withholding anything

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, of course, they could replicate it, but what if they had an expert try to replicate it and the expert could not replicate it? What if they tried to replicate it with several experts and still didn't get the same answer? So now they need to know exactly how LE processed BK's DNA to come to the conclusion they have. I don't know if that is what is going on, but it is one scenario where knowing precisely how LE processed the DNA and did the IGG would be imperative in order to defend their client.

Well, none of their known experts is anything remotely like someone who replicates DNA. Completely different technical abilities between genetic genealogists and...geneticists themselves.

No one can replicate any DNA without access to the sheath. It's a physical process of retrieving and amplifying actual organic matter.

No one has petitioned the Court, that I know of, to do a second retrieval of BK's DNA. It appears to me that the Defense has tacitly admitted that it IS his DNA, no need to do another analysis of it (that would only underscore that obvious fact that the buccal swab matches the sheath DNA).

Genetic genealogists do not replicate anything. BTW, the actual replication process is relatively simple, as is the sequencing that follows. But one does need to be a different kind of expert than the ones so far produced. They have nothing to do with replication nor any access to anything that could be replicated - the evidence is under the purview of ISL at this point in time. But a specially equipped lab is needed, as is coursework in study of genes (not genealogy).

IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agree. Although high resolution video imagery from several days or longer of all the security cameras that may or may not have captured his car a few score of security cameras couple easily be much or most of that 50tb. add in high def smartphone videos from everyone involved as a suspect, victim, witness or social media acquaintance and you could have 100 tb or more..
the prosecution/investigators probably threw in the kitchen sink on warrants, and will are going to throw in the kitchen sink and just do a data dump for the defense so they can't be accused of withholding anything

I don't blame the State when the Defense has filed how many Motions to Compel Discovery so far? 3 or 4 at least. Let them have everything and the D can work through it just like they did.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well, none of their known experts is anything remotely like someone who replicates DNA. Completely different technical abilities between genetic genealogists and...geneticists themselves.

No one can replicate any DNA without access to the sheath. It's a physical process of retrieving and amplifying actual organic matter.

No one has petitioned the Court, that I know of, to do a second retrieval of BK's DNA. It appears to me that the Defense has tacitly admitted that it IS his DNA, no need to do another analysis of it (that would only underscore that obvious fact that the buccal swab matches the sheath DNA).

Genetic genealogists do not replicate anything. BTW, the actual replication process is relatively simple, as is the sequencing that follows. But one does need to be a different kind of expert than the ones so far produced. They have nothing to do with replication nor any access to anything that could be replicated - the evidence is under the purview of ISL at this point in time. But a specially equipped lab is needed, as is coursework in study of genes (not genealogy).

IMO.

Exactly, weren't the Defense's "Experts" 1) A Botanist turned DNA Specialist 2) A Lawyer turned DNA Specialist and 3) A layman recreational genealogy researcher turned Specialist.

I'll be interested to see who Bill Thompson puts on the stand for State in their response. It should enlightening and educational to say the least.

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Exactly, weren't the Defense's "Experts" 1) A Botanist turned DNA Specialist 2) A Lawyer turned DNA Specialist and 3) A layman recreational genealogy researcher turned Specialist.

I'll be interested to see who Bill Thompson puts on the stand for State in their response. It should enlightening and educational to say the least.

MOO

My dream is that he'd bring in someone like J. Michael Cherry or Leroy Hood. But someone who is a really good explainer, like Spencer Wells, would be grand. None of these people is likely to consent to do it, though.

I am guessing the head of ISL is entirely expert on matters of running, replicating and obtaining SNP results from DNA.

IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Absolutely have noticed that BK;s eyebrows have been overly groomed in recent hearings compared to the photos we have of him before then. Just saying.

When I read your post my first thought was that BK needs to keep his bushy eyebrows down to a minimum in front of the jury.

But this will most likely be countered by the prosecution putting up large photos of BK that show his bushy eyebrows before the "overly groomed" appearance.

An eye witness actually seeing him plays a very important role in all this. Both in helping to identify who to arrest and then for the jury to weigh at trial. This adds to the giant pile of circumstantial evidence already at hand. It is significant that the witness gave her description before the arrest. It wasn't like she saw his mugshot then thought he looked familiar and then gave her description.

How Bryan Kohberger's eyebrows helped police link him to ...

Kohberger is charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary in connection with the killings of four college students.

www.newsweek.com

On November 29, Daniel Tiengo, a WSU police officer, found a white Hyundai Elantra registered to Kohberger and that information was passed to Corporal Brett Payne, the Moscow police's lead investigator. Payne felt "a mounting sense of triumph" when he typed the vehicle's details into the motor vehicles record system and saw Kohberger's photo because.....

Kohberger's photo matched the witness description!

At least 5' 10" and Kohberger's license shows he is 6 feet tall.

Not muscular but athletically built and Kohberger's license shows he weighed 185 pounds. This is perfect. If he was a muscular guy he would have weighed more than 185. 185 is a lean athletic weight for a 6 foot guy.

Bushy eyebrows and Kohberger's license shows distinct bushy eyebrows and, to me, a prominent eyebrow ridge.

His license also shows that he is a white male and I don't know if DM mentioned his race specifically, but it is apparent to me anyway, that she hasn't disputed this.

2 Cents

 

[Boxer]

I think you're conflating two completely different things. They could replicate it. I could replicate it. There's no science involved once you have the dna profile. It's just taking that profile and putting together a big jigsaw puzzle and there are no two ways to put the puzzle together. IGG has nothing to do with how the dna is processed or whether or not it matches BK.

IGG is more comparable to the car analysis. Substitute the car analysis for the IGG. Assume the car analysis is what led to the decision to test BK or someone in his family. The defense is looking for a flaw in that process. Let's say it's possible when you're looking at the car video to unlock another view, a view that gives you a clearer picture of what year the car is, maybe even what the driver looks like. The defense has "heard" that this is possible. But it's against terms of service of the company that provides the video. They want to know if the investigators unlocked that view. They think maybe if the investigators unlocked that view, they can get the dna thrown out altogether because they shouldn't have done that and it's that investigation that led to testing the father.

None of that has anything to do with the dna testing itself or the reliability or validity of it. The defense itself has not tried to claim the dna doesn't match.

Correct. It's BKs DNA on a knife sheath beneath a victim. There is no question its his DNA.

This defense is a version of "you obtained the information by an an unauthorized search view of a database therefore the evidence should be suppressed."
In other words BK is guilty, and AT is trying to get the evidence of his guilt thrown out on a technicality.

 

[kittythehare]

They are directed at the victims' SM, but that doesn't mean they aren't about BK (they definitely aren't for his SM - but who knows whether he turned up in the victims' social media). Can't remember if I went ahead and posted yesterday - but there are MSM links saying that he did creep into MM's instagram (I think that's how the NYPost put it - I am aware that the NYPost is not everyone's cuppa).

It would be an early investigative technique, not dependent on having a suspect, and it could well have produced information about Kohberger. I believe the MSM articles on this are relying on information from PA (not under the gag order, but obviously people in PA found out some details during the LE actions and investigations there).

It's often the case that the target of a SM warrant turns up information about many other people than the one whose account is under the warrant.

IMO.

Also it's equally likely that he didn't use his real name on social media.

 

[iamshadow21]

Right. The defense is not saying BK is not a match. They're not saying there was a mistake in the process of collecting the dna, analyzing the dna, the familial match with BK's father or the actual match to BK himself.

They're saying WHY did you decide to test BK's father? What led to that decision? What investigative techniques did you use to decide to test his father? You say in the PCA that it was the car. We're not so sure. Give us the notes of the IGG so we can see how you did that and at what point you had a name from it.

In truth, we do not know at what date they had a family to pinpoint from the IGG. It might have been before they ran plates at WSU, it might have been after. If it was after, the IGG doesn't matter because the car led to the dna testing. If it was before and it wasn't the car that led to the testing, the defense wants to know.

I should clarify, they never tested the father. They tested trash from the bin at the Kohbergers family home, and it came back a paternal match to the unknown male subject on the sheath. And they knew that the other two kids are daughters.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Do we know what happened with the defense's request to have access to the training records of the officer who supposedly had experience in conducting certain kinds of sensitive interviews (not sure how it was actually described)? Has there already been a hearing and decision by the judge on this request by the defense?

 

[Boxer]

I should clarify, they never tested the father. They tested trash from the bin at the Kohbergers family home, and it came back a paternal match to the unknown male subject on the sheath. And they knew that the other two kids are daughters.

MOO

True.

 

[Balthazar]

Right. The defense is not saying BK is not a match. They're not saying there was a mistake in the process of collecting the dna, analyzing the dna, the familial match with BK's father or the actual match to BK himself.

They're saying WHY did you decide to test BK's father? What led to that decision? What investigative techniques did you use to decide to test his father? You say in the PCA that it was the car. We're not so sure. Give us the notes of the IGG so we can see how you did that and at what point you had a name from it.

In truth, we do not know at what date they had a family to pinpoint from the IGG. It might have been before they ran plates at WSU, it might have been after. If it was after, the IGG doesn't matter because the car led to the dna testing. If it was before and it wasn't the car that led to the testing, the defense wants to know.

These are all good thoughts and something I have been thinking about tonight.

 

[Balthazar]

Well, none of their known experts is anything remotely like someone who replicates DNA. Completely different technical abilities between genetic genealogists and...geneticists themselves.

No one can replicate any DNA without access to the sheath. It's a physical process of retrieving and amplifying actual organic matter.

No one has petitioned the Court, that I know of, to do a second retrieval of BK's DNA. It appears to me that the Defense has tacitly admitted that it IS his DNA, no need to do another analysis of it (that would only underscore that obvious fact that the buccal swab matches the sheath DNA).

Genetic genealogists do not replicate anything. BTW, the actual replication process is relatively simple, as is the sequencing that follows. But one does need to be a different kind of expert than the ones so far produced. They have nothing to do with replication nor any access to anything that could be replicated - the evidence is under the purview of ISL at this point in time. But a specially equipped lab is needed, as is coursework in study of genes (not genealogy).

IMO.

I think there is something we are all misunderstanding here. I don't think they admitted it was his DNA tacitly or otherwise. There is a subtle subtext that I think we are all missing. Didn't Anne Taylor ask why they decided to test BK's father's DNA? Anyone remember what was said about this specifically?

 

[Boxer]

I think there is something we are all misunderstanding here. I don't think they admitted it was his DNA tacitly or otherwise. There is a subtle subtext that I think we are all missing. Didn't Anne Taylor ask why they decided to test BK's father's DNA? Anyone remember what was said about this specifically?

Weren't they looking for BKs DNA in the trash and got the father's instead? BKs DNA was in the neighbors trash, likely sanitized in baggies.

 

[schooling]

Also it's equally likely that he didn't use his real name on social media.

Hence the ease of “no direct connection”. In the defense’s mind Prosecutors would need to prove it’s BK first.

 

[jepop]

I should clarify, they never tested the father. They tested trash from the bin at the Kohbergers family home, and it came back a paternal match to the unknown male subject on the sheath. And they knew that the other two kids are daughters.

MOO

Was about to do same. Very important clarification to avoid future confusion and conflation. Moo

 

[jepop]

I think there is something we are all misunderstanding here. I don't think they admitted it was his DNA tacitly or otherwise. There is a subtle subtext that I think we are all missing. Didn't Anne Taylor ask why they decided to test BK's father's DNA? Anyone remember what was said about this specifically?

There's nothing in any of the Court filings by the defense about this dna test at all. The defense is filing only about the IGG process. Side -stepped or not publicly filing any objections to the trash dna test or the buccal swab test, or the local str testing done in ISL. The D has access to all that in the discovery though. Moo

 

[jepop]

Weren't they looking for BKs DNA in the trash and got the father's instead? BKs DNA was in the neighbors trash, likely sanitized in baggies.

They were and that is what happened Imo. On 28th Dec ISL lab extracted a sample of BK's dad dna from the Kohberger family trash as per PCA and P filings in this case. It's reasonable to assume they were looking for BK's dna but couldn't find any in that trash Imo. The inference is that BK was bagging up his own separately and dumping it in neighbours bin. IIRC this was reported as being observed by fbi who were surveiling BK in the 5 days or so prior to his arrest. Moo

 

[kittythehare]

Hence the ease of “no direct connection”. In the defense’s mind Prosecutors would need to prove it’s BK first.

and no meta records in his name either..