4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[Auntie Cipation]

Additionally, perhaps we can read into the PCA.

I picture something like this:

The perpetrator has taken measures to minimize leaving DNA at the scene. Coverall, mask, gloves, shoes.

I suspect he also took measures to prevent blood spatter. IMO K may have been killed simply because she was right there, in M's bed (if M was the singilar target, as I think). X and E, victims for having been awake, and I fear that room was especially bloody. Try though he would have not to, I think he did step in blood, but that his footfalls stamped less blood quite quickly, well before D's door.

IMO the additional testing lit up footprints leading to her door and perhaps beyond.

It's the convergence that's most compelling and why IMO that single footprint is included in the PCA. It reinforces D's credibility, and I think we'll come to find that he was walking very stoicly. Even footfalls, perhaps even pausing here or there.

Without that footprint, maybe D did or didn't see anyone. Maybe she saw someone nearer or farther away. Maybe it was at such a distance as to make it more an impression than a sighting.

Except for the footprint.

The footprint places him right outside her door.

Exactly where she said she saw him.

D becomes an ear witness, a time stamper, and an eye witness, describing someone who, not only doesn't exclude BK, it is a striking match up.

Chilling.

JMO

Another tidbit I recall from the book is the description (sorry, graphic) of how much of the blood may have soaked into the mattress on the 3rd floor and perhaps on X's bed. E it seems may have been killed in the doorway or just inside the bedroom, but presumably not on the bed.

There was sad mention in the book of how it may have been the case that not all the deaths were immediate, possibly suggesting X may have been on the bed when the attack began but may have moved herself to the floor to be nearer E.

Anyway what I'm thinking is that other than splashes or drips, I think it's possible that only E's killing produced a large amount of blood on the floor immediately and available to be stepped in by the killer.

Again, all MOO

 

[10ofRods]

I wish we knew for certain whether K or X said that there was somebody there. K makes sense, as surely Murphy would've alerted to the Door Dash event and the slider event. K may have gotten up... may have kenneled Murphy, may have peered out a window, maybe have seen the Door Dash car or driver or may have seen BK himself, approaching toward the kitchen.

But it also fits with X who was very much awake ... and who may have missed BK by mere seconds as he slipped in through the kitchen and stealthed his way to the upper floor.

She may have found an open slider.... she may have found a second pair of shoes, where a two half-minutes prior there'd been neither...

If it was X who said it, BK would've heard her, giving away her location and alerting him to an audience.

Beyond terrifying.

JMO

Speculation:

I'm starting to think X saw BK, myself. I hadn't considered it, but somehow, talking about the footprints made me try to envision what BK was up to (if those are his shoeprints, which I have every reason to believe they are). Didn't step in much blood - but did step in blood on the second floor, after X's stabbing. I've always thought that he wanted to avoid blood, for obvious reasons. So until we hear more, I'm taking the view that there were no bloody footprints on the stairs or carpeting of the third floor. He comes down those stairs with non-bloody feet.

Xana sees him and tries to get behind her door, but he's quick and gets in the room with her - noticing and eliminating Ethan (but something had to have happened to X quickly, or else she'd have been screaming - I think; I mean some people find it very hard to scream in a terrifying situation like this). He had to kill her because she saw him and he had to kill Ethan because he was responding to what was going on - BK's well laid plan is falling apart. He realizes he doesn't have the sheath at around the same time (reaches in his pocket to retrieve it after killing KM and MM, as he's going down the stairs - and has wiped the knife on his coveralls, as planned - but he doesn't have the sheath, it's still in his hand, he sees X - or at least thinks she has seen him, which she surely may have).

So while he's in X's room, he's also thinking about how to modify his plan - he wipes the knife off, again, but whatever he did to Xana first (as he goes for Ethan) is leaving pooling blood on the floor. (Does anyone remember what surface the floor of the house was? I know we've seen pictures). He realizes the next best thing to do is put the knife in the coverall pocket, point side down - because he needs both hands free for the next phase of his plan - which is disrobing at the car, organizing things in the pre-weighted duffle he planned for hiding evidence. He is in a hurry.

So I believe the shoeprints will show the speed of travel as well - I bet it was long, rapid strides at that point. His confusion may have saved DM"s life.

Anyway, the pool of blood that was gradually accumulating in X's room was still forming and he couldn't get out of the room without at least one foot stepping in it. Not the plan. At all. Once out at the car, the old plan kicked in - although he must have been much more frustrated and off-kilter than he would have been, had he not forgotten the sheath. He gets a bit lost on the roads south of Moscow and turns his phone back on (not the plan - he's now fully into Plan B and he probably knows he's screwed, forensically - how could he not?)

IMO. Everything above is speculation. I do believe that when the 911 call was made, the students were just realizing the depth and severity of the crime - they were hopeful that X was merely unconscious or otherwise unable to shout at the 911 operator that they seeing lots of blood (which makes me think there was not much or any blood outside X's door - I believe the killer shut the door firmly behind him, to delay detection - which could have come at 4:30 am had things gone just a bit differently).

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Re: evidence marker 3
Someone was asking for a link to evidence marker 3


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Thanks -- I remember the pic; my question was asking for a link indicating that it was for a hiking boot or hiking shoe print which was as stated as fact. Am I missing something?

 

[10ofRods]

Another tidbit I recall from the book is the description (sorry, graphic) of how much of the blood may have soaked into the mattress on the 3rd floor and perhaps on X's bed. E it seems may have been killed in the doorway or just inside the bedroom, but presumably not on the bed.

There was sad mention in the book of how it may have been the case that not all the deaths were immediate, possibly suggesting X may have been on the bed when the attack began but may have moved herself to the floor to be nearer E.

Anyway what I'm thinking is that other than splashes or drips, I think it's possible that only E's killing produced a large amount of blood on the floor immediately and available to be stepped in by the killer.

Again, all MOO

Oh - I hadn't considered that. It could be Ethan near the door. I am assuming that since we know Xana was up, getting doordash, apparently putting the food in the kitchen, perusing TikTok, that she was the one seen.

But you open the door to another set of conjectures. What if both X and E had figured out something was very wrong? They knew KG did not have a man over at the house, and they likely knew the same for MM. If X did dart into her room for safety, then she would have awakened Ethan and he would have started toward the door.

We still don't know if the alleged blood dripping down (apparently) from the back side of the bed was, indeed, blood. However, if Ethan was up and active at the time of his murder, and its his blood that made the shoe print, that really does tell a story. It would add even more "out of plan" confusion to BK's (narrowly focused and structured) mind.

I agree with you that Ethan's stabbing (if out of plan) would have resulted in far more blood on the floor. This might also explain why his autopsy took longer (for example, one of my main hypotheses is that BK studied how to use his KaBar knife effectively, quickly and silently - not in actual hand to hand combat). However, we heard that X had defensive wounds, I believe - but not sure the source - I think it was SG; it's possible that Ethan also had defensive wounds and we just don't know it. It makes sense that it's his body (since the door was hard to open and he would be heavier).

In that case, it's entirely possible that the KaBar hit bone (whereas BK's plan was not to do that - for various reasons - he was aiming for internal organs that cause certain death, but keep most of the blood inside the body cavity). Study of the bone damage would be crucial to the case (to give good evidence of exactly what kind of knife was used). I know it's grim to consider these things.

ALL hypothetical but trying to work with the facts we think we know. I posted a long time ago about my hope that at least one of the bodies was sent for forensic radiology (because KaBar knives have a proprietary coating that would leave microscopic particles easily detected with MRI or similar - then they fetch them out and analyze their properties). I had tried to think of a reason for the delay in Ethan's autopsy and that's what came to mind.

Speculation above.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

He gets a bit lost on the roads south of Moscow and turns his phone back on

Once he turned his phone back on, would LE have been able to discern what apps he used? Like if he turned it on to look at a map or get directions?

In addition to apps, will data reveal what webpages he may have gone to, or perhaps only what browsers he used?

 

[Nila Aella]

Thanks -- I remember the pic; my question was asking for a link indicating that it was for a hiking boot or hiking shoe print which was as stated as fact. Am I missing something?

Just providing the link so others can see it, zoom in and speculate what the evidence marker is flagging.
AFAIK LE has not released information on evidence marker three or four.
MOO JMO IMO

 

[Charlot123]

For the record, I don't think BK was intentionally set up. But it seems by your post that you're implying if it was a set up, it was all done specifically to make BK look like a killer, which IMO, is not what would have happened even if he was set up. IMO, it would be more of a scenario where someone wanted to those kids dead, but didn't want to take the wrap. They were going to commit the murder anyway. They just set BK up to take the fall. That's why the murder, the bloodshed, etc.

I think this scenario is very unlikely though. JMO

That’s the thing. Initially, there was lots of information about the quarrel in the frat, animosity between the frat members, and drugs. I understand, it was such a scandal, and Moscow being a Uni town, there has to be some “damage control”, so all this information disappeared. (Which still left questions, give or take. One can erase posts, but not screenshots.) Also, the situation with the drugs should be known to all parents who are sending their kids to all colleges, not ironed out. We are too naive. To explain - no case is about “one bad apple”, it is up to us to make them learning ones, otherwise we’ll end up in a bad situation. Instead, we are discussing DNA traces and lab formats.

 

[iamshadow21]

Speculation:

I'm starting to think X saw BK, myself. I hadn't considered it, but somehow, talking about the footprints made me try to envision what BK was up to (if those are his shoeprints, which I have every reason to believe they are). Didn't step in much blood - but did step in blood on the second floor, after X's stabbing. I've always thought that he wanted to avoid blood, for obvious reasons. So until we hear more, I'm taking the view that there were no bloody footprints on the stairs or carpeting of the third floor. He comes down those stairs with non-bloody feet.

Xana sees him and tries to get behind her door, but he's quick and gets in the room with her - noticing and eliminating Ethan (but something had to have happened to X quickly, or else she'd have been screaming - I think; I mean some people find it very hard to scream in a terrifying situation like this). He had to kill her because she saw him and he had to kill Ethan because he was responding to what was going on - BK's well laid plan is falling apart. He realizes he doesn't have the sheath at around the same time (reaches in his pocket to retrieve it after killing KM and MM, as he's going down the stairs - and has wiped the knife on his coveralls, as planned - but he doesn't have the sheath, it's still in his hand, he sees X - or at least thinks she has seen him, which she surely may have).

So while he's in X's room, he's also thinking about how to modify his plan - he wipes the knife off, again, but whatever he did to Xana first (as he goes for Ethan) is leaving pooling blood on the floor. (Does anyone remember what surface the floor of the house was? I know we've seen pictures). He realizes the next best thing to do is put the knife in the coverall pocket, point side down - because he needs both hands free for the next phase of his plan - which is disrobing at the car, organizing things in the pre-weighted duffle he planned for hiding evidence. He is in a hurry.

So I believe the shoeprints will show the speed of travel as well - I bet it was long, rapid strides at that point. His confusion may have saved DM"s life.

Anyway, the pool of blood that was gradually accumulating in X's room was still forming and he couldn't get out of the room without at least one foot stepping in it. Not the plan. At all. Once out at the car, the old plan kicked in - although he must have been much more frustrated and off-kilter than he would have been, had he not forgotten the sheath. He gets a bit lost on the roads south of Moscow and turns his phone back on (not the plan - he's now fully into Plan B and he probably knows he's screwed, forensically - how could he not?)

IMO. Everything above is speculation. I do believe that when the 911 call was made, the students were just realizing the depth and severity of the crime - they were hopeful that X was merely unconscious or otherwise unable to shout at the 911 operator that they seeing lots of blood (which makes me think there was not much or any blood outside X's door - I believe the killer shut the door firmly behind him, to delay detection - which could have come at 4:30 am had things gone just a bit differently).

All the photos of the house show lino throughout. The photos I've seen are the unfurnished real estate ones, so the housemates may have had a rug here and there, but all lino. Which as far as I know is like gold for prints.

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks -- I remember the pic; my question was asking for a link indicating that it was for a hiking boot or hiking shoe print which was as stated as fact. Am I missing something?

I personally see only pebbles and leaves (not great shoeprint media). There was another picture from further up the hill of a hiking boot print, IIRC. I have no clue whether it is still in MSM and so it's only in memory - but once we learned that the bloody shoeprint had an entirely different sole, that meant there was no direct evidence of that hiking boot being involved in the crime (and it did look like it took place when the ground was fairly wet, as after a rain).

I can't see any footprint or shoe print near marker 3. I don't know how anyone deduced there was a footprint there and can't regard that particular photo as evidence that there's a shoe/footprint.

IMO. But thank you, @Nila Aella for posting it - it does help clarify the nature of Marker 3.

I also want to add that in regard to evidence inside the house, the Defense was given the opportunity to inspect it and use their own experts (who would have been able to see the latent prints if they took the equipment to do so).

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

I agree with your points but what sequence of footprints? We have been told of no such footprints. Assume there were many foot marks before and after the clear print but we haven't had this verified, have we?

It's a deduction from empirical facts in the PCA and IMO, cannot be otherwise. Unless you want to claim LE lied or misrepresented in the PCA, which if true, it's amazing that AT and team have not been able to convince Judge Judge of that.

At this point, we mainly have allegations. But I believe there was a footprint and I also believe it was originally in the PCA (along with the autopsy results) but was redacted.

IMO.

 

[Chloegirl]

There's no way that a couple of drops of blood managed to get all over the bottom of a shoe, IMO.

Further, if there were really drops of blood (even 1 drop) and the PCA doesn't mention it? I am very skeptical. To me, it's just SOP and would have tightened up the arrest warrant like a square knot.

I don't believe there was a lot of carpet in this house, but that wouldn't make it possible for a shoeprint to be taken.

Even then, what you're saying is that there was enough blood from a couple of drops, at one place (drops would be one stride length apart if dripping from a knife while the killer was moving), and could make a shoe print. I believe the shoeprint shows direction of travel (and much else). One drop would do exactly what it would do in your own carpet or on your own floor - make a small fleck on the bottom of the shoe. I am not sure that anyone could even say that was a shoeprint (and that blood would now be squished into the carpet and likely no way to tell it was a drop any more).

Anyway, the dripping knife (which doesn't exist so far as any of us know) would have cast blood to the side of the walker. And the walker's feet would not be waddling from side to side so as to step in any of it, IMO. There would be more than one or two drops. I imagine he put it into the big pockets of coveralls, he knew blood drips trails and planned for it (probably though he had the sheath in his pocket until he realized he didn't - perhaps right after the second floor murders).

A shoe print that's partial would be said to be partial, IMO. LE did not lie on the PCA, IMO.

A latent shoe print resolved through amido Black is going to be one of the last in a series. Amido Black is a protein enhancer that allows a print barely detectable by luminol to show up. It has to be applied in a specific way to the area where a footprint is. The prior footprints were resolvable with just luminol, IMO.

The definition of "latent print" (shoeprint or fingerprint) is that it is not visible to the naked eye because the amount of blood (or other substance) is now almost gone. I do believe it was probably only one shoe (right or left) that stepped into the blood. I believe there is at least one bloody shoeprint before the latent prints, and that LE would not say they had a shoeprint if it was a partial - they'd say partial. Of course, I also believe if it were 80-90% complete, they'd just say shoeprint and that would be enough for good analysis to take place.

At any rate, there was a shoeprint in blood. I believe it was the blood of a murder victim. I also do not believe there were blood droplets from the knife, but if there are, the spacing of those would also give additional information about the gait and speed of the murderer as he left the house. I believe the shoeprint provided instant information about sex, weight and height of the murderer, which was a big step forward in the investigation (and perhaps the reason why early one, one LEO said the scene was "sloppy."

IMO.

It is bothers me that so many people speculate that it was this was more than one person. In that case, your description would show a lot more evidence for, let's just say two people perpetrating this crime. There would be multiple types of prints inside. I wish proponents of that thought process would keep that in mind.

This is rather controlled (not to give credit to BK but premeditation is reinforced here) because it was one individual, steps were taken possibly to stay calm and make intentional movements, it wasn't frantic completely. I just wanted to underscore that. Even a possible hiking boot print outside might suggest van-style shoe removal and a quick change to the items worn moving away from the house (if that turns out to be true). JMOO.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

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I vaguely recall some sort of media reference to an outside print. I agree it would be great to see a link confirming and if so that it was a hiking boot print. On another note, I couldn't find any support for a second assertion that LE took a pair of hiking boots from Kohberger senior's house (when executing search warrant there in late Dec).

I see "new balance shoes" (item 21), "2 pairs of dark coloured boots" (item 62) and "1 pair brown boots" (item 63) but nothing specifically referring to hiking boots in the return of inventory from BK's parents home in Pennsylvania

*(The link says search warrant for elantra but is actually the PA residence search - PA Courts page seem to have inadvertently reversed the digital titles for vehicle and residence warrants and return of inventories).

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150419-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(hyundaielantra),inventory,exhibits.pdf

Thanks for reupping that link!

I think, LOL! Revisiting that handwriting wasn’t fun, LOL, at least for me. Does anyone else remember how long it took us to decipher that “10 curls in glove box” perhaps was “ID cards in glove box”?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Thanks for reupping that link!

I think, LOL! Revisiting that handwriting wasn’t fun, LOL, at least for me. Does anyone else remember how long it took us to decipher that “10 curls in glove box” perhaps was “ID cards in glove box”?

I can't recall if we on this thread ever learned any specifics about whose ID cards those were?

From the new book again (and MOO since I can't identify the author's source): he says they were ID cards from two women/girls BK knew, but not any of the King Rd victims or anyone with an obvious connection to the killings.

Did we already know that?

MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

In the recently published book "While Idaho Slept", the author explains that Moscow PD records initial calls for a "person down" as "unconscious person" even if they are obviously deceased, since the person isn't legally known for sure to be deceased until the coroner declares it.

So the call being officially recorded as for an unconscious person doesn't tell us whether the caller knew they were reporting deaths, or saying "so-and-so isn't responding to calls/texts/knocks on door". Or whether, as we speculated in the early days, one of the surviving roommates had fainted and THAT became the note for the initial LE response.

MOO since I can't link to the text of the book. Which was pretty good, by the way, although not great in my opinion. It definitely felt weird to me to have the story published before trial, and with the near certainty that there will be one or more books written after the trial which will essentially repeat the story and likely make this book obsolete.

Good post — thanks, too, for your thoughts on the book. I’ve not read it, but appreciate hearing what folks who have read it think!

While this doesn’t directly address your point, this bit you quoted from the book isn’t entirely accurate: “Moscow PD records initial calls for a "person down" as "unconscious person" even if they are obviously deceased…”

As someone who lives here & has been receiving the MPD DALs via email for a very long time, we do see entries for “unattended deaths,” “death by suicide,” etc,, for various reasons. Interested folks can see an example of an “unattended death” at this link (I’m not including a screen cap):
MPD Press Log 10/24/2023

Not attacking the author for getting a detail incorrectly, just pointing it out.

As always, MOO.

 

[whiterhino]

We don't have the murder weapon so we don't know if it matches or not. It just matches the type of weapon used. JMO

He might have, but with all the redactions and undisclosed information/files, how would we know?

Again, I haven't been keeping up as closely these days, but can you please point me to where that distinction was made? Just from a Google search, I can't find it.

RBBM

I said the exact same thing you also said, "On a sheath that matches with the murder weapon." So, we agree!

We won't know but if BK were in the area buying drugs, doesn't that go towards an alibi? I would have thought so, maybe not?

Here is what I found on "DNA transfer". Maybe it is a matter of wording, I'm just sharing what I found when I tried to Google transfer DNA with regard to the sheath. Transfer DNA - Wikipedia
"The transfer DNA (abbreviated T-DNA) is the transferred DNA of the tumor-inducing (Ti) plasmid of some species of bacteria such as Agrobacterium tumefaciens and Agrobacterium rhizogenes (actually an Ri plasmid)."

 

[whiterhino]

For the record, I don't think BK was intentionally set up. But it seems by your post that you're implying if it was a set up, it was all done specifically to make BK look like a killer, which IMO, is not what would have happened even if he was set up. IMO, it would be more of a scenario where someone wanted to those kids dead, but didn't want to take the wrap. They were going to commit the murder anyway. They just set BK up to take the fall. That's why the murder, the bloodshed, etc.

I think this scenario is very unlikely though. JMO

Again, I agree that BK was not set up.

It was very late when I made that post. I didn't expand on what I was saying but yes, that would be the other part of it. Why those 4 if just to set him up? As you said, someone who had their own motive for committing this crime. So whoever it was (hypothetically) would have (maybe, speculation) had a problem with BK and KG,MM, XK &EC (or a problem with some of them).

I don't think it's likely either. It just seems like the idea of a setup needs to be discussed in order to see how unlikely it would be. JMO.

 

[Nila Aella]

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I vaguely recall some sort of media reference to an outside print. I agree it would be great to see a link confirming and if so that it was a hiking boot print. On another note, I couldn't find any support for a second assertion that LE took a pair of hiking boots from Kohberger senior's house (when executing search warrant there in late Dec).

I see "new balance shoes" (item 21), "2 pairs of dark coloured boots" (item 62) and "1 pair brown boots" (item 63) but nothing specifically referring to hiking boots in the return of inventory from BK's parents home in Pennsylvania

*(The link says search warrant for elantra but is actually the PA residence search - PA Courts page seem to have inadvertently reversed the digital titles for vehicle and residence warrants and return of inventories).

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150419-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(hyundaielantra),inventory,exhibits.pdf

There were hiking boots taken from the elantra according to the PA return on the car:

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150347-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(b.kohberger),inventory,exhibits.pdf

 

[10ofRods]

RBBM

I said the exact same thing you also said, "On a sheath that matches with the murder weapon." So, we agree!

We won't know but if BK were in the area buying drugs, doesn't that go towards an alibi? I would have thought so, maybe not?

Here is what I found on "DNA transfer". Maybe it is a matter of wording, I'm just sharing what I found when I tried to Google transfer DNA with regard to the sheath. Transfer DNA - Wikipedia
"The transfer DNA (abbreviated T-DNA) is the transferred DNA of the tumor-inducing (Ti) plasmid of some species of bacteria such as Agrobacterium tumefaciens and Agrobacterium rhizogenes (actually an Ri plasmid)."

That article is confusing two different usages of T-DNA, unfortunately.

Transfer DNA as used in forensics has nothing to do with Ti plasmids or cancer.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

It is bothers me that so many people speculate that it was this was more than one person. In that case, your description would show a lot more evidence for, let's just say two people perpetrating this crime. There would be multiple types of prints inside. I wish proponents of that thought process would keep that in mind.

This is rather controlled (not to give credit to BK but premeditation is reinforced here) because it was one individual, steps were taken possibly to stay calm and make intentional movements, it wasn't frantic completely. I just wanted to underscore that. Even a possible hiking boot print outside might suggest van-style shoe removal and a quick change to the items worn moving away from the house (if that turns out to be true). JMOO.

Good points. Even if the accomplice avoided stepping in blood, the accomplice would not have been able to see any of the latent footprints and in ordinary circumstances in walking down the same hall, would have overlapped their own shoegear on top of the Van's.

However, just to give the "there has to be an accomplice" group one bit of help: if the accomplice merely stood in the living room while events were going down, this wouldn't have happened (but why have them?) I'm sure cell records have been pulled, so the accomplice cannot have been riding in the same car - there would have to be a separate method of getting to the house. Further, the accomplice would have to take care NOT to follow BK anywhere around the house while the murders are being committed, or they'd have gotten into blood or smudged some of the footprints. Not much of an accomplice at that point.

I don't think anything about BK's movements that night were frantic. Opposite. This is a person who has written (in his teen years) about his inability to feel much of anything.

He seems to be driven almost exclusively but what I would call Intellect, which he views as incisive, incontrovertible and higher than any other form of thinking. In this, he has some company in modern academia, although frankly, most criminologists realize that understanding emotional transference, the psyche, intuition, and especially, human motivation (which is often not purely rational) is crucial to understanding crime.

According to Prof B from DeSales, BK's favorite theories were Rational Decision Theory (the idea that most criminals think things through and have a plan of action) and Script Theory (criminals carefully craft a foolproof script - which is why they are so hard to catch). I'm sure some criminals do this, but I am not aware of any research showing that it's most of them - or that they are less likely to be caught.

Accomplice could have waited in the car, actually. I think surveillance footage will clear a lot of this up.

The problem with relying entirely on intellect is that one's plans are only as good as one's (never complete) rational deductions and one's plans do not take account of the nature of the rest of the world (actors in our world constantly behave in ways that the intellect would not predict; some of us learn this from self-observation as well!) Premises are necessary to all intellectual activity and it's easy to find intellectuals who have led their own selves down the wrong garden path.

IMO.

 

[whiterhino]

That article is confusing two different usages of T-DNA, unfortunately.

Transfer DNA as used in forensics has nothing to do with Ti plasmids or cancer.

IMO.

I'm just sharing what I found as I didn't know there was another "application" of the term transfer DNA. That's just what I found when I tried to search "transfer DNA" without adding forensics in the search bar. I've mostly only heard it said DNA transfer not transfer DNA.

For the record, I knew what @Charlot123 meant, just didn't know there was an entirely different meaning.