4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[Gemmie]

Murphy looks like a small yappy dog.

Any sound that would be unusual (even in a college party house), he would probably bark at.

In the middle of the night when everything eventually gets quiet, to hear movements, wimpers and rough housing at 4am, I would suspect he would bark.

Murphy reminds me of my mothers dog, who is also a doodle. She's had about a dozen doodles since the 1980s. I wouldn't characterize them as small dogs, not like Poms or terriers are 'small'. My mother's dog is on the thin-ish side and weighs 34.8 lbs (I asked and she was precise. lol). Also note that her ~35 doodle was the smallest she's had. They can weigh 40-75 lbs. unless they are mini's, which Murphy isn't.

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As for being yappy... to me only small dogs yap. But my mother's doodles do bark their heads off. LOUDLY, and it's a deep bark, not high-pitched which is what I think of (but could be wrong) when it comes to a 'yappy' dog.

As soon as I lightly knock on the front door for a visit I can hear their claws scrabbling on the floor as they race around sounding the alarm. You know, in case my mother didn't hear the knock at the door. *chuckle*

Dogs have a very keen sense of smell as everyone knows. I can't imagine that Murphy didn't smell BK, as I believe he was likely perspiring from what he was about to do, or at least throwing off some sort of bad vibe scent that dogs can smell (IMO). Then I'd think Murphy would have smelled blood, and likely heard some sounds from his mom that alerted him that something was not right, which likely got him agitated and racing around his room (or was he caged?).

 

[girlhasnoname]

No audio or video recording by anyone in Court except by the Judge approved camera:

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...ying-2nd-Mtn-to-Intervene_Granting-Motion.pdf

 

[maskedwoman]

Why bother “setting him up” when it would have been easier to eliminate him. None of it makes sense from drug gang perspective. Drive-by bullet to BK and it’s done. Getting his dna, put it under a snap on sheath and planting it? Too much effort when your biz is selling drugs to students.

Every time someone raises the subject of him being set up, my first question is: why and for what? If someone is PO'd enough at BK personally that they would kill four innocent people to send him to prison and/or lethal injection, why not just spare the four innocent people and kill him? Killing 4 innocent people makes things a lot worse than just killing the guy they are angry with. Plus, it doesn't seem like he has intimate enough relationships with others for anyone to be angry enough with him to go to that much trouble.

If the idea is that the victims were marked for death by others and that BK is an innocent party being framed for these murders, then what scenario makes more sense?

• A team of murderers obtained BK's DNA and planted it on the sheath snap without leaving anyone else's DNA behind with it, killed four people without leaving sign of multiple assailants being present in the house, planted the sheath with DNA beneath a victim for LE to find, then escaped without drawing any attention to themselves or being seen on the various security cameras, etc. that have been found.
• BK had an unhealthy fascination with killers. He carefully planned, then killed four people by himself and accidentally left the sheath behind with his DNA on it.

To be honest, I don't see how a layman could be sure they had captured any DNA, much less be confident that it was BK's DNA and BK's alone that they were planting. Occam's Razor and all that, but it seems to me that the second scenario is far less convoluted than the first one.

MOOooo

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

Bryan Kohberger hearings will continue to be on video -- but the camera will now be controlled by the court and not by the media, according to a new order from the judge. A livestream to YouTube will be provided by the judge. No future hearings are scheduled at this point.


12:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023


It will be interesting to see the placement of the camera/microphones and whether Bryan Kohberger will be in view of the camera.


12:35 PM · Nov 20, 2023

 

[arielilane]

NEW: Judge in #BryanKohberger case will livestream all future proceedings on his YouTube page. He will not allow a separate media camera inside the courtroom. This is a compromise to having no livestream vs. judge being able to control.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726654316759724266

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Justice101]

Every time someone raises the subject of him being set up, my first question is: why and for what? If someone is PO'd enough at BK personally that they would kill four innocent people to send him to prison and/or lethal injection, why not just spare the four innocent people and kill him? Killing 4 innocent people makes things a lot worse than just killing the guy they are angry with. Plus, it doesn't seem like he has intimate enough relationships with others for anyone to be angry enough with him to go to that much trouble.

If the idea is that the victims were marked for death by others and that BK is an innocent party being framed for these murders, then what scenario makes more sense?

• A team of murderers obtained BK's DNA and planted it on the sheath snap without leaving anyone else's DNA behind with it, killed four people without leaving sign of multiple assailants being present in the house, planted the sheath with DNA beneath a victim for LE to find, then escaped without drawing any attention to themselves or being seen on the various security cameras, etc. that have been found.
• BK had an unhealthy fascination with killers. He carefully planned, then killed four people by himself and accidentally left the sheath behind with his DNA on it.

To be honest, I don't see how a layman could be sure they had captured any DNA, much less be confident that it was BK's DNA and BK's alone that they were planting. Occam's Razor and all that, but it seems to me that the second scenario is far less convoluted than the first one.

MOOooo

If BK was set up... then it was the best set up of the century and the real perpetrator deserves an Academy Award for their work.

On the other hand... .NAH, BK did it.

 

[arielilane]

ICYMI: Judge John Judge has ordered that all future State v. Bryan Kohberger proceedings will be livestreamed via a court camera. Attending media will no longer be able to bring in their own cameras or audio equipment. The defense previously lodged complaints that the pool camera was providing too many closeups of Kohberger and that the national attention this case was receiving could bias or sway public opinion for an upcoming trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726659967619400165

 

[DizzyB]

It will be interesting to learn what the livestreams will focus on. I understand the defense’s position that each micro expression on BK’s face be over analyzed and somehow point to his guilt. But should the camera instead be focused on the individuals who are testifying? Should we be able to watch them, and will they be overanalyzed? Wide shots only?

 

[Boxer]

NEW: Judge in #BryanKohberger case will livestream all future proceedings on his YouTube page. He will not allow a separate media camera inside the courtroom. This is a compromise to having no livestream vs. judge being able to control.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726654316759724266

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https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

Judge is right. Media cannot control itself because its not a cohesive thing, it's a bunch of reporters and camera people compete for angles and stories gain marketshare.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If BK was set up he would have an alibi for that night because he wasn't there, he didn't do it.

SBMFF. If that was the case, then no one would ever be successfully framed for a crime, ever.

JMO

 

[NyxNY]

No audio or video recording by anyone in Court except by the Judge approved camera:

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...ying-2nd-Mtn-to-Intervene_Granting-Motion.pdf

I like it.

 

[schooling]

SBMFF. If that was the case, then no one would ever be successfully framed for a crime, ever.

JMO

IMO in 1975 the primary suspect either not having an alibi or not having a provable alibi makes a lot more sense than it does in 2023.

The innovations in technology in the last 50 years makes it a lot harder to believe that nowadays.

If BK was out and about and not in the area of the homes

• security cameras on streets, homes, businesses
• cellular evidence (his phone was off)
• a receipt of some sort
• identifying a location that maybe an eye witness could corroborate

If he was at home

• computers that keep system level activity logs by time and date (Event Viewers in Windows, Console Log in Mac OS X)
• DNS records from your ISP
• Browser History
• Roku / Firestick / Apple TV / Gaming Console Logs
• Social Media or other Sites and Services logins
• Phone / Text Logs
• Smart Home Devices Activity

The lack of an alibi is evidence in of itself. But the weight it carries is only amplified when put into the same context of the DNA evidence on the sheath. Which is why the defense attorneys are desperately trying everything they can to chalelnge it.

I go for drives sans technology a lot (though my Tesla logs my miles, frequent locations, and Spotify usage will in the car) BUT my DNAhas never been found at the scene of a quadruple murder on the holster of the suspected style of murder weapon used.......

MOO

 

[iamnotagolem]

<modsnip: Not MSM or other approved source(s)>

I don't think BK was framed, I am open to him not being the killer but don't think the sheath was planted. If he's not the killer, I assume the killer just stole, found or bought the knife that BK had previously touched.

 

[schooling]

I've seen a few cases with these automated camera systems. They are typically pointed at the witness stand and the judge. They pan away and mute at the touch of a button or during breaks.

I've only seen a few court controlled camera cases where we get multiple fixed angles. But that usually relies on someone manning a feed switcher. With the resources this court room has I doubt this will be one of them. So it will be interesting to see how exhibits are covered that aren't in frame. And Im guessing we'll have to rely on drawings to see BK.

 

[twall]

It will be interesting to learn what the livestreams will focus on. I understand the defense’s position that each micro expression on BK’s face be over analyzed and somehow point to his guilt. But should the camera instead be focused on the individuals who are testifying? Should we be able to watch them, and will they be overanalyzed? Wide shots only?

I watched the Colorado Leticia Stauch trial earlier this year where the judge controlled the cameras. IIRC there were 3, 1 on judge, 1 on witness and 1 on the defense/prosecution tables with the gallery behind them. If a witness did not want to be on camera they were accommodated and audio of the testimony was played while the camera was on the defense/prosecution/gallery. There were a few hiccups and the video wasn't the best but it was better than no video or audio only so I'm not complaining.

 

[schooling]

<modsnip: Not MSM or other approved source(s)>

I don't think BK was framed, I am open to him not being the killer but don't think the sheath was planted. If he's not the killer, I assume the killer just stole, found or bought the knife that BK had previously touched.

I know you're saying that you doin't think BK was framed. But I want to pose some questions in case anyone reads this who suspects that he might have been.

MOO

Did this person convince BK to sell him the knife or did he just happen across the knife for sale and decided he was going to frame BK?
- If the latter, isn't that amazing luck that BK had been to that area before which makes him the perfect patsy?
- If the former, why is BK unable to identify the person he sold the knife to?
- How did this theoretical person know for sure that BKs DNA would be on the knife?
- How could they be sure that their DNA would not end up on the knife? And if they cleaned it how would they be sure they didn't wipe the DNA of the guy they are trying to frame off of it?
- How did this person know that BK would be out driving in that area without an alibi on that night?
- What was the motive of framing BK? I know the defense has no burden on them. But if you're going to accuse someone of something .. .what's the motive?
- Why BK? Why not someone more obviously problematic? Or someone who lives on the streets? Or is down and out. BK is a pretty unremarkable guy to go through all of this trouble to frame him.

IMO any framing theory quickly falls apart as soon as you start asking questions. And the only responses I've seen to these questions branch out to even grander conspiracies. It's a never ending string of illogical leaps with the answer to every question becoming further and further removed from the facts of the case. Which is why it only works in a vacuum and out of context.

MOO

 

[whiterhino]

Murphy reminds me of my mothers dog, who is also a doodle. She's had about a dozen doodles since the 1980s. I wouldn't characterize them as small dogs, not like Poms or terriers are 'small'. My mother's dog is on the thin-ish side and weighs 34.8 lbs (I asked and she was precise. lol). Also note that her ~35 doodle was the smallest she's had. They can weigh 40-75 lbs. unless they are mini's, which Murphy isn't.

What's a Healthy Weight for a Goldendoodle?

Goldendoodle size depends on the type of Goldendoodle that you have. Here's a look at the sizes and ways to maintain a healthy weight for a Goldendoodle.

www.platinumgoldendoodles.com

As for being yappy... to me only small dogs yap. But my mother's doodles do bark their heads off. LOUDLY, and it's a deep bark, not high-pitched which is what I think of (but could be wrong) when it comes to a 'yappy' dog.

As soon as I lightly knock on the front door for a visit I can hear their claws scrabbling on the floor as they race around sounding the alarm. You know, in case my mother didn't hear the knock at the door. *chuckle*

Dogs have a very keen sense of smell as everyone knows. I can't imagine that Murphy didn't smell BK, as I believe he was likely perspiring from what he was about to do, or at least throwing off some sort of bad vibe scent that dogs can smell (IMO). Then I'd think Murphy would have smelled blood, and likely heard some sounds from his mom that alerted him that something was not right, which likely got him agitated and racing around his room (or was he caged?).

RBBM

Yes!! Terriers are the yippy dogs. Hounds howl. Big dogs don't say much in my experience A dogs hearing is usually very much on point as well as their noses.

In my experience/family we've had an Irish Wolfhound x w Bouvier, Newfoundlander, German Shepard, Scottish Terrier and a Labrador x w Pit Bull Terrier (this was the smartest of all of them). Of course the Scotty barks bc its a terrier, the others were either silent or deep WOOF.

I've thought about the last bold all day

 

[iamnotagolem]

I know you're saying that you doin't think BK was framed. But I want to pose some questions in case anyone reads this who suspects that he might have been.

MOO

Did this person convince BK to sell him the knife or did he just happen across the knife for sale and decided he was going to frame BK?
- If the latter, isn't that amazing luck that BK had been to that area before which makes him the perfect patsy?
- If the former, why is BK unable to identify the person he sold the knife to?
- How did this theoretical person know for sure that BKs DNA would be on the knife?
- How could they be sure that their DNA would not end up on the knife? And if they cleaned it how would they be sure they didn't wipe the DNA of the guy they are trying to frame off of it?
- How did this person know that BK would be out driving in that area without an alibi on that night?
- What was the motive of framing BK? I know the defense has no burden on them. But if you're going to accuse someone of something .. .what's the motive?
- Why BK? Why not someone more obviously problematic? Or someone who lives on the streets? Or is down and out. BK is a pretty unremarkable guy to go through all of this trouble to frame him.

IMO any framing theory quickly falls apart as soon as you start asking questions. And the only responses I've seen to these questions so far introduce even grander conspiracies. It's a never ending brand that requires an illogical leap with the answer to every question.

MOO

Again, I don't think BK was framed. If he was, I'd have to think it was someone with some connection to LE, either LE themselves or related to someone in LE. I don't know what the motive would be other than to cast suspicion off of themselves, or if they knew BK and didn't like him.

I guess if I had to come up with a scenario, I'd say RK (real killer) didn't like BK, was aware of his habits, his night time drives, maybe followed him, saw where he went. RK stole a knife belonging to BK, borrowed a car similar to BKs, then killed the kids, called the tip line tipping in BKs car.

To be clear, I don't think BK is being framed.

Edit: maybe RK didn't even dislike BK but found him odd and quirky and figured he'd make a good suspect

 

[whiterhino]

Every time someone raises the subject of him being set up, my first question is: why and for what? If someone is PO'd enough at BK personally that they would kill four innocent people to send him to prison and/or lethal injection, why not just spare the four innocent people and kill him? Killing 4 innocent people makes things a lot worse than just killing the guy they are angry with. Plus, it doesn't seem like he has intimate enough relationships with others for anyone to be angry enough with him to go to that much trouble.

If the idea is that the victims were marked for death by others and that BK is an innocent party being framed for these murders, then what scenario makes more sense?

• A team of murderers obtained BK's DNA and planted it on the sheath snap without leaving anyone else's DNA behind with it, killed four people without leaving sign of multiple assailants being present in the house, planted the sheath with DNA beneath a victim for LE to find, then escaped without drawing any attention to themselves or being seen on the various security cameras, etc. that have been found.
• BK had an unhealthy fascination with killers. He carefully planned, then killed four people by himself and accidentally left the sheath behind with his DNA on it.

To be honest, I don't see how a layman could be sure they had captured any DNA, much less be confident that it was BK's DNA and BK's alone that they were planting. Occam's Razor and all that, but it seems to me that the second scenario is far less convoluted than the first one.

MOOooo

RBBM

Here is my thought fwiw, that BK didn't know anyone who would be able to get close enough to him to get his DNA, to get close enough to put the DNA on the sheath. If someone tried to get close to me like that, I'd notice and remember. That is why I suggested why not a piece of BKs hair, it would be easier to obtain than skin cells (JMO). To me, something like hair or some other DNA would be more indicative of a setup as well. Again, JMO.

IMO if it were someone else, I think maybe one individual and not a team or trio. The only way I could see this is if it were a fellow student of BKs. Someone in his classes or in that circle of people. Someone who would have the same criminal knowledge.

I do not believe any of that but it IMO would be the most likely scenario (esp since the crime seemed to have no apparent motive).

Speculation. JMO. IMO. MOO.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

BK reminds me of Bickle in Taxi Driver. Bickle (De Niro) can’t sleep, drives around all night for days getting more and more angry at what he sees on the streets (NYC vice and injustice?). His thinking gets really twisted and he is really not well. He ends up planning a political assassination and goes on to murder a pimp and others.
Draw some parallels - getting angry at the partying students, wasting opportunity, not being serious students, (and him not being part of the scene because it’s ruinious & vice). Needing to stop them from from vices …