4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Kemug]

I'll bet he still thinks he's the smartest person in the room.

 

[Megnut]

I'll bet he still thinks he's the smartest person in the room.

He's the only person in his room.

And he's still not the smartest.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

We will probably never know his motive- or what his intent was: My hope is that the prosecution has a strong case, and can prove he is the perp. I believe he is.

I believe he is also the perp without question, and I believe the State has evidence that will put BK away for life.

 

[Kemug]

In spite of him being so smart, it would have served him well if he could have hidden behind a Mr Nice Guy persona. Not quite smart enough for that though.

 

[Cool Cats]

We will probably never know his motive- or what his intent was: My hope is that the prosecution has a strong case, and can prove he is the perp. I believe he is.

What Evidence Matters to Jurors? The Prevalence and Importance of Different Homicide Trial Evidence to Mock Jurors - PMC

The present research explores how important different trial evidence is to mock jurors’ decisions. Study 1 surveys legal professionals to determine what evidence is common at homicide trials. Study 2 utilizes the list of evidence generated in Study ...

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This article originally posted by @girlhasnoname is interesting.
Out of 10 types of evidence most important to mock jurors the State of Idaho has 6.

DNA
Video Records (White Car with Phone Evidence)
Crime Scene Photos
Bodily Secretions (Blood Footprint)
Forensic Experts
Eyewitness Testimony

The present research explores how important different trial evidence is to mock jurors’ decisions. Study 1 surveys legal professionals to determine what evidence is common at homicide trials.

Study 2 utilizes the list of evidence generated in Study 1 to ask mock jurors to report how important each piece of evidence would be in deciding their verdicts.

The results indicate that DNA is most important to mock jurors, followed by fingerprints, the weapon, video records, crime-scene photos, gunshot residue, bodily secretions, video confession, testimony from a forensic expert, and eyewitness testimony.

Study 3 utilizes a different methodology wherein mock jurors were presented with folders labeled with different evidence and asked to choose the piece of evidence they wanted to learn more about first, second, and so on. The results from Study 3 indicate again that ......

DNA evidence is most important to mock jurors, followed by video confession evidence, eyewitness testimony, and fingerprint evidence.

 

[girlhasnoname]

In spite of him being so smart, it would have served him well if he could have hidden behind a Mr Nice Guy persona. Not quite smart enough for that though.

I truly don't think he even has a fake Nice Guy persona, he is devoid of such emotion IMO.

 

[schooling]

Sorry- people are over-thinking here- No killer is going to purposely leave any piece of evidence behind- including a knife sheath----

agreed. I like most of Gray’s work but this i disagree with.

All of the below is strictly my opinion and my opinion only.

my theory is much simpler. he went to the house for one of the 3rd floor victims. But immediately encountered and attacked Ethan and Xana on the way inside. In his haste to get to the 3rd floor he left Xana for dead.

IMO At some point while on the 3rd floor he is caught off guard by the same Xana cries that DM heard. He didn’t think she was alive. He either doesn’t realize the sheath is gone at this moment or even if he’s actively looking killing Xana becomes a priority.

So IMO panicks and rushes downstairs and now the “it’s ok…” line makes a lot more sense. He’s trying to stop her cries for help as quickly as possible as he walks down the stairs, past DMs room and down the hallway.

IMO, i think this interruption and all the unplanned stuff spooked him and whatever math he did while he was down there told him to leave.

IMO I think the chances that he didn’t try to resheath his knife at this point is super low. if he’s headed towards the patio it means he’s jumping. IMO he knows it’s gone.

IMO if he did see DM (I think he did) it was probably an even more sobering moment. She had been there through all of the chaos and why wouldn’t he think she would have called the police? 10 mins ago.

The math wouldn’t have worked out for him to go back upstairs for the sheath or to attack DM.

MOO. Every line of it.

 

[Boxer]

I'll bet he still thinks he's the smartest person in the room.

Well so far he is probably the luckiest.

 

[Sleuth2010]

Chief Fry said they have their killer. The investigative team did outstanding work.
This murderer is up for the death penalty.
The entire community has suffered immeasurably. There are no words for the families. Again, coast to coast this arrest was amazing work, well done. Justice reigns 2024

 

[iamshadow21]

agreed. I like most of Gray’s work but this i disagree with.

All of the below is strictly my opinion and my opinion only.

my theory is much simpler. he went to the house for one of the 3rd floor victims. But immediately encountered and attacked Ethan and Xana on the way inside. In his haste to get to the 3rd floor he left Xana for dead.

IMO At some point while on the 3rd floor he is caught off guard by the same Xana cries that DM heard. He didn’t think she was alive. He either doesn’t realize the sheath is gone at this moment or even if he’s actively looking killing Xana becomes a priority.

So IMO panicks and rushes downstairs and now the “it’s ok…” line makes a lot more sense. He’s trying to stop her cries for help as quickly as possible as he walks down the stairs, past DMs room and down the hallway.

IMO, i think this interruption and all the unplanned stuff spooked him and whatever math he did while he was down there told him to leave.

IMO I think the chances that he didn’t try to resheath his knife at this point is super low. if he’s headed towards the patio it means he’s jumping. IMO he knows it’s gone.

IMO if he did see DM (I think he did) it was probably an even more sobering moment. She had been there through all of the chaos and why wouldn’t he think she would have called the police? 10 mins ago.

The math wouldn’t have worked out for him to go back upstairs for the sheath or to attack DM.

MOO. Every line of it.

The layout of the house makes this awkward. If he encountered them immediately on entering, where did he enter? There is no entry point near Xana's room, and no indication the attack on them took place outside it.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well so far he is probably the luckiest.

Not really, he's sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial after being arrested 6 weeks or so after the crime. I'd say he isn't the smartest by a long shot nor the luckiest. Hah

 

[Justice101]

agreed. I like most of Gray’s work but this i disagree with.

All of the below is strictly my opinion and my opinion only.

my theory is much simpler. he went to the house for one of the 3rd floor victims. But immediately encountered and attacked Ethan and Xana on the way inside. In his haste to get to the 3rd floor he left Xana for dead.

IMO At some point while on the 3rd floor he is caught off guard by the same Xana cries that DM heard. He didn’t think she was alive. He either doesn’t realize the sheath is gone at this moment or even if he’s actively looking killing Xana becomes a priority.

So IMO panicks and rushes downstairs and now the “it’s ok…” line makes a lot more sense. He’s trying to stop her cries for help as quickly as possible as he walks down the stairs, past DMs room and down the hallway.

IMO, i think this interruption and all the unplanned stuff spooked him and whatever math he did while he was down there told him to leave.

IMO I think the chances that he didn’t try to resheath his knife at this point is super low. if he’s headed towards the patio it means he’s jumping. IMO he knows it’s gone.

IMO if he did see DM (I think he did) it was probably an even more sobering moment. She had been there through all of the chaos and why wouldn’t he think she would have called the police? 10 mins ago.

The math wouldn’t have worked out for him to go back upstairs for the sheath or to attack DM.

MOO. Every line of it.

Very interesting.

My personal take is more along the lines: He went upstairs to attack one girl (their room would be the one window that he could monitor from behind the house to see that the lights were off to know they had gone to sleep). I think he stalked the back of the house on numerous scouting trips.

I think he was very surprised to find that there were 2 in the bed. He dropped the sheath after stabbing the first victim then that startled that the second girl and he was forced to reach over the bed and stab the second girl, thus losing the knife sheath. (That is, if he didn't already intentionally leave the sheath to taunt LE)

I think he then went downstairs, was surprised seeing Xana in the hallway, she saw him and then he stabbed her. She fled for the bedroom and when he followed he saw Ethan in the bed and attacked him too.

I don't think he saw DM or he would have attacked her. I think she saw BK leaving Xana's room.

Only if it actually goes to trial, will we probably ever know the sequence of killings.

I'm 90% sure BK is responsible. I think LE got their man and they will have a mountain of (mostly) circumstantial evidence to put him away forever. The DNA being the strongest evidence they have. But they will be able to paint a picture showing BK did this....and nobody else.

 

[TL4S]

Regardless of how events unfolded, what I find the most terrifying is that it seems by the time he was working toward killing his last of four victims, possibly even with things not having gone as he'd planned, he still had the presence of mind to say, "I'm going to help you." (If it was him saying that). Even if he went there intending on one victim, by the end, he was showing some pretty scary tendencies, imo.

 

[Megnut]

Regardless of the way events unfolded, what I find the most terrifying is that it seems by the time he was working toward killing his last of four victims, possibly even with things not having gone as he'd planned, he still had the presence of mind to say, "I'm going to help you." (If it was him saying that). Even if he went there intending on one victim, by the end, he was showing some pretty scary tendencies, imo.

Nightmare.

I wonder though if X saw him as she was returning to her room and he accosted her, gained control of her, really right about when he discovered Ethan. All X could do was whimper. I picture a chokehold or a knife to the neck. The "I'm here to help you" possibly to silence her, confuse her, give him momentary advantage, of which he had all the advantages.

Honestly he might have come upon her going into the kitchen. He saw her, she never saw him coming. Stays in the shadows until he can overpower her.

I so wish we could rewind him out of this story.

Sigh.

Jmo

 

[Boxer]

Not really, he's sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial after being arrested 6 weeks or so after the crime. I'd say he isn't the smartest by a long shot nor the luckiest. Hah

Oops - thought I was on Suzanne Morphew's thread.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oops - thought I was on Suzanne Morphew's thread.

No worries, I do it all the time.

 

[Justice101]

Regardless of how events unfolded, what I find the most terrifying is that it seems by the time he was working toward killing his last of four victims, possibly even with things not having gone as he'd planned, he still had the presence of mind to say, "I'm going to help you." (If it was him saying that). Even if he went there intending on one victim, by the end, he was showing some pretty scary tendencies, imo.

I think it may have been Xana wimpering.... and Ethan thought she stubbed her toe, cut herself with a knife or fell in the floor and Ethan was actually the one who said "I'm going to help you".

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think it may have been Xana wimpering.... and Ethan thought she stubbed her toe, cut herself with a knife or fell in the floor and Ethan was actually the one who said "I'm going to help you".

I agree I think it was more likely Ethan who said that - maybe X fell crashing to the floor or on the ground and E thought she was having a medical emergency and was trying to think of reassuring phrases to say. Although, would DM not 'know' E's voice?

I think this part of the witness testimony is the least useful for various reasons, I'd imagine in court it won't even get looked at by either side.

JMO MOO

 

[TL4S]

I think it may have been Xana wimpering.... and Ethan thought she stubbed her toe, cut herself with a knife or fell in the floor and Ethan was actually the one who said "I'm going to help you".

I guess I assume LE thinks it was BK who said it because why include it in the PCA otherwise. The PCA seems to be pointing at things that are relevant to placing BK at the scene. Like the "someone is here" statement, which LE asserted could have been one of two people saying it, perhaps they would have done the same if it was possible that E could have said it. IDK...jmo.

 

[Starz2Starz]

I am a newbie here, but have followed the Idaho 4 case since day one, and have been reading through the threads, trying to catch up. I am glad to join you all on this amazing website and wish everyone here a very happy, healthy and safe 2024. I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details. My opinion is that Xana and Ethan were not the intended victims.