4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Diddian]

I am a newbie here, but have followed the Idaho 4 case since day one, and have been reading through the threads, trying to catch up. I am glad to join you all on this amazing website and wish everyone here a very happy, healthy and safe 2024. I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details. My opinion is that Xana and Ethan were not the intended victims.

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[Boxer]

agreed. I like most of Gray’s work but this i disagree with.

All of the below is strictly my opinion and my opinion only.

my theory is much simpler. he went to the house for one of the 3rd floor victims. But immediately encountered and attacked Ethan and Xana on the way inside. In his haste to get to the 3rd floor he left Xana for dead.

IMO At some point while on the 3rd floor he is caught off guard by the same Xana cries that DM heard. He didn’t think she was alive. He either doesn’t realize the sheath is gone at this moment or even if he’s actively looking killing Xana becomes a priority.

So IMO panicks and rushes downstairs and now the “it’s ok…” line makes a lot more sense. He’s trying to stop her cries for help as quickly as possible as he walks down the stairs, past DMs room and down the hallway.

IMO, i think this interruption and all the unplanned stuff spooked him and whatever math he did while he was down there told him to leave.

IMO I think the chances that he didn’t try to resheath his knife at this point is super low. if he’s headed towards the patio it means he’s jumping. IMO he knows it’s gone.

IMO if he did see DM (I think he did) it was probably an even more sobering moment. She had been there through all of the chaos and why wouldn’t he think she would have called the police? 10 mins ago.

The math wouldn’t have worked out for him to go back upstairs for the sheath or to attack DM.

MOO. Every line of it.

It's a fine theory.
I think he just went upstairs killed and then went down stairs and killed not discovering the missing sheath until on his way out. I think it was in a pocket and it popped out during his exertion.

Discovering it gone on exit, he cut his loss of the sheath because he thought it was "clean." Probably congratulated himself gf or the foresight to clean everything he took with him into the house.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'd be super interested to know where BK was, what he was doing, and what his general demeanour was on the day that it was released into mainstream media that discrete DNA had been found on the snap of the sheath. From that moment he knew it was only a matter of time, whether it be weeks, months, or even decades (advances in technology, nobody in his family DNA group logged onto geneology sites, him being tested by the police for other reasons etc).

IMO he must have lost his mind...in a very intense way

Do we know anything about his actions of that time? Was he still allegedly participating in online chat regarding the case when that news was released?

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/kfixler/status/1745967061791092844?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

 

[Megnut]

I'd be super interested to know where BK was, what he was doing, and what his general demeanour was on the day that it was released into mainstream media that discrete DNA had been found on the snap of the sheath. From that moment he knew it was only a matter of time, whether it be weeks, months, or even decades (advances in technology, nobody in his family DNA group logged onto geneology sites, him being tested by the police for other reasons etc).

IMO he must have lost his mind...in a very intense way

Do we know anything about his actions of that time? Was he still allegedly participating in online chat regarding the case when that news was released?

Rbbm

I wonder about that. He did seem to take counter measures and then exhibited paranoia-- but that night be part of his nature, being fastidious and single-minded.

I rather find him to be a case study and altogether peculiar -- easily annoyed but generally detached. Unfeeling. Spectator.

I think he was fascinated by the criminal mind in general and may have been fascinated by his own in particular. Perhaps part of his interest lied in analyzing his own choices, who would he choose and why. What mistakes would be make and why. Matvr he even expected to make mistakes. An intellectual exercise for him... so he wasn't surprised by anything that happened or that he was eventually arrested. I think he feels like his life unfolds as if on a screen he is watching.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

No but remember.. he was fascinated with murder and thought he was smarter than everyone.

Not as far fetched when you take his personality into account.

Just my opinion.... if he wiped the knife and sheath down beforehand, then it was planned. This is the ONLY crazy theory that I buy into with him.

If he is actually smart, he would know that he couldn't be 100% sure there wasn't evidence on the sheath.

 

[10ofRods]

Three points about the live-tweets.
1: yes, you can edit tweets (X's) for up to an hour after posting. After that you can always either delete or quote your post with a correction.
2: banning live tweeting is NOT going to stop the distraction of people being on their devices during hearings, because the devices themselves and their use during hearings are not banned. Reporters will still be typing what they hear as notes, and will post these notes as soon as the hearing ends. They are not banned from texting either, so you can imagine they will still be getting and sending text messages albeit perhaps not about the trial. So this is a moot point.
As much as I am supportive of not having media cameras in the courtroom, because they have proven to disregard JJJ's instructions, I think this last rule goes too far, and is pointless.
I am glad there will be a live stream on JJJ's YouTube, but this is really the only thing that remains, and it can be taken away at any time. If that happens the public will be completely in the dark.
3: banning live tweets is not going to stop online speculation about this case at all. On the contrary, it only serves to fuel all kinds conspiracy theories.
Still don't see the benefit. All MOO.

Is it only one brand of internet interaction that is banned?

I feel as if MSM has reported this in a particular way. I also think Judge Judge is an intelligent person, who is basically banning all methods of typing on a device while court is in session. The people who own X/Twitter/MSM have their take.

Do we have a source that other internet-enable typing is approved? I don't think so, I think "Twitter" is code for "no internet base typing during court." I assume it will become clearer and more specific as trial approaches.

IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article284187013.html

 

[wendy44]

I could be wrong, but I don't think it was ever released before he was arrested that DNA had been recovered from a sheath. I seem to recall that after he was arrested some were reporting that sources told them there was DNA recovered from materials in the house, but I think the first we heard about DNA on the sheath was the PCA. His actions definitely indicate he was paranoid about his DNA being recovered from his trash though.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I am a newbie here, but have followed the Idaho 4 case since day one, and have been reading through the threads, trying to catch up. I am glad to join you all on this amazing website and wish everyone here a very happy, healthy and safe 2024. I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details. My opinion is that Xana and Ethan were not the intended victims.

Welcome! Glad to have you here!

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details.

BK wasn't even capable of getting rid of evidence from his own cellphone, let alone having CIA level skills to get into multiple cellphones, computers and remote viewing the interior of the house. At the most he could have accessed email, Facebook etc with phishing, which is not actually hacking. Gaining access to an unsecured internet does not give you access to all connected devices. Not that we know that to be the case, that they left the internet unsecured.

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[Deleted member 718]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1745967061791092844

 

[Deleted member 718]

Judge responds to Bryan Kohberger’s request to receive some DNA records in murder case

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article284187013.html#storylink=cpy

IGG involves taking DNA from a crime scene and submitting it to online genealogy services similar to 23andMe and Ancestry.com to build a family tree and locate criminal suspects.

A leather sheath for a Ka-Bar brand combat-style knife was found at the off-campus home where the U of I students were killed. Investigators located a single source of male touch DNA on the sheath’s button snap, which was later linked to Kohberger, police have said.

But which IGG records the defense will receive through the criminal legal process known as discovery is unclear. Judge’s order stated that only some of the information would be delivered — all of which is under seal.

“The specific material to be provided is set forth in a sealed order to protect the privacy of the IGG information, including individuals on the family tree,” Judge wrote.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I think all defense attorneys would agree that BK's defense would be remiss if they didn't insist on verifying that the person on the family tree is actually a relative of BK's and that the use of the family tree was valid in developing probable cause. I hope that the relative isn't too uneasy, BK has neither the influence nor money to do anything to harm them. I don't think this will give the defense anything useful at trial.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article284187013.html

 

[girlhasnoname]

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I don't tell you often enough, but thank you @Cindizzi for always keeping us up to date with the latest links and news on these stores. We'd be in the dark without you, seriously, Thank You.

 

[schooling]

BK wasn't even capable of getting rid of evidence from his own cellphone, let alone having CIA level skills to get into multiple cellphones, computers and remote viewing the interior of the house. At the most he could have accessed email, Facebook etc with phishing, which is not actually hacking. Gaining access to an unsecured internet does not give you access to all connected devices. Not that we know that to be the case, that they left the internet unsecured.

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Seriously.

All MOO below

IMO the 0 day exploits he would need to accomplish those things are EXTREMELY RARE. Those that aren't found internally or externally via bounties are usually found by white hat research firms and patched almost immediately. Or go for 6 figures on the black market. And even then there's only a short window of time to understand and utilize them.

BK, IMO, is/was/can not be capable of any of that stuff. We are talking less than a percent of percent of the population.

Also, recent personal experience: I just had my 2FA backup account (I know, completely defeats the purpose, sigh) compromised because i used a leaked password. EVERYTHING was in there. Banking, Web hosting, domains, etc and the perp wasn't able to get into any accounts because each app/account kicked in additional security measures for a unknown device.

I think the reporting below is what's falsely bolsteringt eveiryones claim of Kohlberger's abilities

Bryan Kohberger allegedly broke into student’s home before Idaho murders

Months later, Mr Kohberger is accused of breaking into an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho, and stabbing to death Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin

www.the-independent.com

IMO, People should understand that what's alleged in that article isn't hacking at all, in the traditional sense that people imagine from movies. It's more of a small component of hacking called "social engineering". He manipulated her into trusting him to set up her camera. And by him setting up the camera. She likely gives him a username and password for the setup. And even if we assume she did not...during setup he has access to an admin area where he could easily set up a second account to give himself access. With that information he could easily login.

The vast majority of the hacks we see happening around the world today are a result of Social Engineering. You gain the trust of someone. And they unknowingly help you gain unauthorized access.

There has been 0 evidence that Kohlberger knew any of the victims in the house. Or that anyone in their house gave him their username and passwords.

So using the reporting above to claim that he fully hacked all of them is an extreme illogical leap.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Seriously.

All MOO below

IMO the 0 day exploits he would need to accomplish those things are EXTREMELY RARE. Those that aren't found internally or externally via bounties are usually found by white hat research firms and patched almost immediately. Or go for 6 figures on the black market. And even then there's only a short window of time to understand and utilize them.

BK, IMO, is/was/can not be capable of any of that stuff. We are talking less than a percent of percent of the population.

Also, recent personal experience: I just had my 2FA backup account (I know, completely defeats the purpose, sigh) compromised because i used a leaked password. EVERYTHING was in there. Banking, Web hosting, domains, etc and the perp wasn't able to get into any accounts because each app/account kicked in additional security measures for a unknown device.

I think the reporting below is what's falsely bolsteringt eveiryones claim of Kohlberger's abilities

Bryan Kohberger allegedly broke into student’s home before Idaho murders

Months later, Mr Kohberger is accused of breaking into an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho, and stabbing to death Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin

www.the-independent.com

IMO, People should understand that what's alleged in that article isn't hacking at all, in the traditional sense that people imagine from movies. It's more of a small component of hacking called "social engineering". He manipulated her into trusting him to set up her camera. And by him setting up the camera. She likely gives him a username and password for the setup. And even if we assume she did not...during setup he has access to an admin area where he could easily set up a second account to give himself access. With that information he could easily login.

The vast majority of the hacks we see happening around the world today are a result of Social Engineering. You gain the trust of someone. And they unknowingly help you gain unauthorized access.

There has been 0 evidence that Kohlberger knew any of the victims in the house. Or that anyone in their house gave him their username and passwords.

So using the reporting above to claim that he fully hacked all of them is an extreme illogical leap.

MOO

Yep, just watch something like Leverage, and social hacking/engineering is the way. Rather than running some ridiculous supercomputer algorithm, you find out the car someone drives, their kids' birthdates, their pet's name, or their sports team, those kind of things, and go from there.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I could be wrong, but I don't think it was ever released before he was arrested that DNA had been recovered from a sheath. I seem to recall that after he was arrested some were reporting that sources told them there was DNA recovered from materials in the house, but I think the first we heard about DNA on the sheath was the PCA. His actions definitely indicate he was paranoid about his DNA being recovered from his trash though.

Yes the PCA is the first we heard of DNA on the sheath.

Although the PCA does mention the DNA, the DNA itself was not used to secure the specific probable cause needed for the arrest.

The reason is because LE did not know if the DNA could be used at trial, in other words, would the judge dismiss it? If the judge dismissed the DNA it could cause a problem if the DNA was used as probable cause to help secure BK's arrest.

Read the full Bryan Kohberger affidavit

The court records show the justification authorities used to obtain a warrant for Bryan Kohberger’s arrest in the death of four college students in Idaho.

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[Megnut]

Yes the PCA is the first we heard of DNA on the sheath.

Strangely, although the PCA did mention the DNA, the DNA itself was not used in the PCA to secure arrest.

The reason is because LE did not know if the DNA could be used at trial, in other words, would the judge dismiss it? If the judge dismissed the DNA it could cause a problem that it was used to help secure BK's arrest.

I had in the past posted about this with the link clearly spelling this out.

I am looking for this link. .... 2 Cents until I locate this link. My link clearly shows the DNA was not used to secure arrest in case the DNA wasn't used at trial.

2 cents

It's in the actual PCA iirc. It's included but it specifies that it should not be considered when determining the PC.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

It's in the actual PCA iirc. It's included but it specifies that it should not be considered when determining the PC.

JMO

Thanks! I can now edit my post and include this!