4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[arielilane]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Latah County CR29-22-2805

Case Summary (Updated 01/12/24)

• 01/02/2024 Order Media Request (KXLY)
• 01/05/2024 Amended Order Governing Courthouse and Courtroom Conduct
• 01/05/2024 Motion to Temporarily Seal Objection
• 01/05/2024 Temporary Order sealing Objection to Defendant's Motion
• 01/09/2024 Defendants 11th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 01/09/2024 Stipulated Motion to File Exhibit J Attached to Defs 11th Supp Request for Discovery Under Seal
• 01/09/2024 Order to File Defendants Exhibit J Attached to Defs 11th Supp Request for Discovery Under Seal
• 01/11/2024 Public Order for Disclosure of IGG Information

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Very interesting.

My personal take is more along the lines: He went upstairs to attack one girl (their room would be the one window that he could monitor from behind the house to see that the lights were off to know they had gone to sleep). I think he stalked the back of the house on numerous scouting trips.

I think he was very surprised to find that there were 2 in the bed. He dropped the sheath after stabbing the first victim then that startled that the second girl and he was forced to reach over the bed and stab the second girl, thus losing the knife sheath. (That is, if he didn't already intentionally leave the sheath to taunt LE)

I think he then went downstairs, was surprised seeing Xana in the hallway, she saw him and then he stabbed her. She fled for the bedroom and when he followed he saw Ethan in the bed and attacked him too.

I don't think he saw DM or he would have attacked her. I think she saw BK leaving Xana's room.

Only if it actually goes to trial, will we probably ever know the sequence of killings.

I'm 90% sure BK is responsible. I think LE got their man and they will have a mountain of (mostly) circumstantial evidence to put him away forever. The DNA being the strongest evidence they have. But they will be able to paint a picture showing BK did this....and nobody else.

All his planning and he never thought about where to put the sheath once he removed the knife. Did he think could commit his crime one handed? Holding sheath in one hand and stabbing with the other? No pockets, too-small pocket?
Don’t think he realized didn’t have sheath til he got to his car, the knife in his hand in case he needed it.
Other than the sheath, there was no dna? Reminds me of that kidnapping in California where the creep wore full wetsuit with hood & mask so that he didn’t leave any hair or fibers. LE didn’t take victim seriously due to lack of evidence & crazy story.

IMO he will not confess, ever, it too embarrassing to admit that he killed girls in frustration because he is way too weird and creepy to even engage a woman in conversation.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

All his planning and he never thought about where to put the sheath once he removed the knife. Did he think could commit his crime one handed? Holding sheath in one hand and stabbing with the other? No pockets, too-small pocket?
Don’t think he realized didn’t have sheath til he got to his car, the knife in his hand in case he needed it.
Other than the sheath, there was no dna? Reminds me of that kidnapping in California where the creep wore full wetsuit with hood & mask so that he didn’t leave any hair or fibers. LE didn’t take victim seriously due to lack of evidence & crazy story.

IMO he will not confess, ever, it too embarrassing to admit that he killed girls in frustration because he is way too weird and creepy to even engage a woman in conversation.

Aren't sheaths supposed to be secured onto a belt around one's waist or body the same as a gun holster would be? It was a big knife and large sheath, hardly the sort of thing would fit inside a jacket pocket.

 

[Cool Cats]

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arielilane​

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Latah County CR29-22-2805

Case Summary (Updated 01/12/24)

• 01/02/2024 Order Media Request (KXLY)
• 01/05/2024 Amended Order Governing Courthouse and Courtroom Conduct
• 01/05/2024 Motion to Temporarily Seal Objection
• 01/05/2024 Temporary Order sealing Objection to Defendant's Motion
• 01/09/2024 Defendants 11th Supplemental Request for Discovery
• 01/09/2024 Stipulated Motion to File Exhibit J Attached to Defs 11th Supp Request for Discovery Under Seal
• 01/09/2024 Order to File Defendants Exhibit J Attached to Defs 11th Supp Request for Discovery Under Seal
• 01/11/2024 Public Order for Disclosure of IGG Information

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[Justice101]

Aren't sheaths supposed to be secured onto a belt around one's waist or body the same as a gun holster would be? It was a big knife and large sheath, hardly the sort of thing would fit inside a jacket pocket.

If he had some sort of suit on, then he likely would not have a belt...and belts on the outside would be potential DNA sources. I'm thinking he had the sheath and knife in his front pocket and when he reached over to stab the second victim, it fell out (being as long as the sheath is it certainly would not have fit completely in his pocket)

 

[Starz2Starz]

BK wasn't even capable of getting rid of evidence from his own cellphone, let alone having CIA level skills to get into multiple cellphones, computers and remote viewing the interior of the house. At the most he could have accessed email, Facebook etc with phishing, which is not actually hacking. Gaining access to an unsecured internet does not give you access to all connected devices. Not that we know that to be the case, that they left the internet unsecured.

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I didn't say Bryan Kohberger was the hacker.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I didn't say Bryan Kohberger was the hacker.

Okay so you don't think BK is the murderer?
I misunderstood this comment, I only thought of BK as the murderer. But it still stands that phone hacking is rare and difficult. Article link in prior post.

"I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details"

 

[Starz2Starz]

Okay so you don't think BK is the murderer?
I misunderstood this comment, I only thought of BK as the murderer. But it still stands that phone hacking is rare and difficult. Article link in prior post.

"I believe that the murderer was hacking Kaylee's and Maddie's computers and phones, and possibly viewing the house remotely - therefore knowing the layout of house and many other personal details"

I think the murderer had at least one accomplice. I think that is why D.M. saw the bushy eyebrowed, "clad in black" person pass by her and go out the back slider door, <modsnip - no link to statement of fact> These are just my thoughts, and I am open to all the possibilities and 50/50 on whether or not Bryan Kohberger was involved. His DNA on the sheath button snap is the most damning part to me, but also the most suspicious, as there are no other pieces of DNA/blood/sweat/fibers to link him to the murders that I know of.

 

[Boxer]

If he had some sort of suit on, then he likely would not have a belt...and belts on the outside would be potential DNA sources. I'm thinking he had the sheath and knife in his front pocket and when he reached over to stab the second victim, it fell out (being as long as the sheath is it certainly would not have fit completely in his pocket)

I think the murderer had at least one accomplice. I think that is why D.M. saw the bushy eyebrowed, "clad in black" person pass by her and go out the back slider door,<modsnip - no link to statement of fact> These are just my thoughts, and I am open to all the possibilities and 50/50 on whether or not Bryan Kohberger was involved. His DNA on the sheath button snap is the most damning part to me, but also the most suspicious, as there are no other pieces of DNA/blood/sweat/fibers to link him to the murders that I know of.

A wiped item with cells hidden in the snap mechanism.
No other DNA means cleaning.

 

[Boxer]

I think the murderer had at least one accomplice. I think that is why D.M. saw the bushy eyebrowed, "clad in black" person pass by her and go out the back slider door, <modsnip - no link to statement of fact> These are just my thoughts, and I am open to all the possibilities and 50/50 on whether or not Bryan Kohberger was involved. His DNA on the sheath button snap is the most damning part to me, but also the most suspicious, as there are no other pieces of DNA/blood/sweat/fibers to link him to the murders that I know of.

The Linda Lane footage, the Band Field stop and a 4am DoorDash show there was moderate activity ongoing, a Saturday night in a college town. People crossing the house totally possible MOO its unrelated to the murders.

 

[whiterhino]

A wiped item with cells hidden in the snap mechanism.
No other DNA means cleaning.

Not to nitpick but was testing ever done on the rest of the sheath? If a cleaning solution was involved, there should be traces of it. I just recall a lot of discussion about testing the sheath and various methods for testing leather etc. Or maybe by cleaning you just meant wiping? Sorry if I misunderstood!

@Starz2Starz 50/50 on BK having been involved, really? Who else (no names obv), and why not only kill the 4 but "frame" BK? Just asking for sake of discussion and speculation, (also curiosity).

MOO.

 

[Boxer]

Not to nitpick but was testing ever done on the rest of the sheath? If a cleaning solution was involved, there should be traces of it. I just recall a lot of discussion about testing the sheath and various methods for testing leather etc. Or maybe by cleaning you just meant wiping? Sorry if I misunderstood!

@Starz2Starz 50/50 on BK having been involved, really? Who else (no names obv), and why not only kill the 4 but "frame" BK? Just asking for sake of discussion and speculation, (also curiosity).

MOO.

Good question on the rest of the sheath. MOO If there was any other DNA evidence on the sheath the defense would be requesting it, also I think the defense would ask the whike sheath be tested if it had not Ben.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Good question on the rest of the sheath. MOO If there was any other DNA evidence on the sheath the defense would be requesting it, also I think the defense would ask the whike sheath be tested if it had not Ben.

So agree, AT & Co. would have filed 7 Motions on that alone by now if it weren't the case.

MOO

 

[Starz2Starz]

Not to nitpick but was testing ever done on the rest of the sheath? If a cleaning solution was involved, there should be traces of it. I just recall a lot of discussion about testing the sheath and various methods for testing leather etc. Or maybe by cleaning you just meant wiping? Sorry if I misunderstood!

@Starz2Starz 50/50 on BK having been involved, really? Who else (no names obv), and why not only kill the 4 but "frame" BK? Just asking for sake of discussion and speculation, (also curiosity).

MOO.

I have no inside information, so everything I'm writing here is speculation and theory, based on all that I've read over the past year on the case. We can either believe that Kohberger was stalking one or more of the girls at 1122 and is guilty as charged, and that he meticulously planned everything, but made the mistake of not cleaning the button snap of the sheath. Or, he was used as a patsy by the real murder or murderers to drive over to 1122 to pick them up. Why would anyone "frame" BK and why kill 4 and not all 6? <modsnip - rumors> I know that still doesn't explain BK's DNA on sheath button snap, <modsnip - rumors>

 

[DizzyB]

I did find the sheath being left behind puzzling. Had the sheath been attached to a belt? A lower leg strap? Was the knife sheathed and in a backpack/knapsack, and removed and unsheathed there on the bed? I wonder if BK was interrupted by Xana’s voice stating that someone was there, and he proceeded down the stairs without collecting it.

 

[Boxer]

I have no inside information, so everything I'm writing here is speculation and theory, based on all that I've read over the past year on the case. We can either believe that Kohberger was stalking one or more of the girls at 1122 and is guilty as charged, and that he meticulously planned everything, but made the mistake of not cleaning the button snap of the sheath. Or, he was used as a patsy by the real murder or murderers to drive over to 1122 to pick them up. Why would anyone "frame" BK and why kill 4 and not all 6? <modsnip - rumors> I know that still doesn't explain BK's DNA on sheath button snap, <modsnip - rumors>

MOO I don't find the crime meticulous. I have a theory that he came to rape MM with the knife for compliance, and prepared to kill if she fought.
Startled by two people in the bed he killed both (boxing,fish cleaning skills) he found he was good at it.
He went downstairs and came across Xana in some way and killed her and Ethan then left. After two murder scenes he would not have any idea where the sheath was lost so he left, having some confidence since he had cleaned it.
As for losing it I think his sheath was diagonal in a pocket and popped out due to more exertion than he planned on.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

MOO I don't find the crime meticulous. I have a theory that he came to rape MM with the knife for compliance, and prepared to kill if she fought.
Startled by two people in the bed he killed both (boxing,fish cleaning skills) he found he was good at it.
He went downstairs and came across Xana in some way and killed her and Ethan then left. After two murder scenes he would not have any idea where the sheath was lost so he left, having some confidence since he had cleaned it.
As for losing it I think his sheath was diagonal in a pocket and popped out due to more exertion than he planned on.

I mostly agree with this theory but I still don't understand how he was planning to account for if the person he targeted started screaming and yelling before he managed to quiet them.

Then he'd have been trapped in an enclosed space red handed, literally, and potentially by a whole mob of housemates.

We know they were a noisy, hectic, crowded house with plenty of visitors. If he was stalking or monitoring them, he'd have known that too.

JMO MOO

 

[Megnut]

I mostly agree with this theory but I still don't understand how he was planning to account for if the person he targeted started screaming and yelling before he managed to quiet them.

Then he'd have been trapped in an enclosed space red handed, literally, and potentially by a whole mob of housemates.

We know they were a noisy, hectic, crowded house with plenty of visitors. If he was stalking or monitoring them, he'd have known that too.

JMO MOO

IMO because he doesn't experience fear like we do. We might be afraid we'd be caught, trapped.

That may have given him a thrill.

JMO

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Maybe he thought if it all went belly-up he would just use the knife on himself, as the ultimate “control” of the situation. My own speculation.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

IMO because he doesn't experience fear like we do. We might be afraid we'd be caught, trapped.

That may have given him a thrill.

JMO

Well I dunno... I think (if guilty) he's sneaky and a bully. I don't imagine being pinned to the ground by six house mates would have met any type of fantasy he was having?

JMO