4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Maybe he thought if it all went belly-up he would just use the knife on himself, as the ultimate “control” of the situation. My own speculation.

Would he have a chance though?

The more I think about it, the more I think he *knew* MM was up in the top half of the house alone. No KG, no dog, no boyf or random lover or friend brought home from a party / club. How could he possibly 'know' such a thing? And if he had come to be so assured of this information then how and why was he so incorrect?

I can only imagine that if so, he'd been misinformed by third party -or- he'd been watching the house for many weeks and had sussed out their usual routine and pattern. But he didn't account for visitors or the door dash delivery... that's crazy.

JMO MOO

 

[SpiderFalcon]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/2024/011224-Motion-to-Unseal-Defendants-Motion-to-Reconsider.pdf

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe he thought if it all went belly-up he would just use the knife on himself, as the ultimate “control” of the situation. My own speculation.

He sorta had that chance when SWAT broke into his house and he was wide awake.
I think he knew there was a possibility of LE coming for him - in which case he could have kept a weapon close at hand - if he wanted to "off" himself. I think he knew because:

1.) He was wearing gloves inside the Pennsylvania house and this doesn't appear to be normal behavior for him because his sister/family thought it was strange behavior on his part.

2.) It was reported that he was wearing gloves in a store.

3.) Apparently when arrested, he was putting his trash into baggies separate from his family's trash.

4.) He was sneaking into his neighbor's trash in the middle of the night. I assume to hide his personal trash.

5.) All this odd glove/trash behavior seems to be a way to hide his DNA.

He could have been concerned that he left DNA at the scene just from being there or from leaving the sheath or both.

Idaho suspect stalked victims for WEEKS and wore GLOVES

The man accused of the horrific slayings of four University of Idaho students was allegedly stalking the students in the weeks leading up to the murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he was involved in Idaho murders

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the Idaho college murders

www.independent.co.uk

At Time of Arrest, Bryan Kohberger Was Wearing Latex Gloves and Putting Trash in Ziploc Bags: Prosecutor

While speaking with BRC13, Michael Mancuso, First Assistant District Attorney in Idaho's Monroe County, said that when authorities entered Kohberger's parents' home around 1:30 a.m. to arrest him, they found him in the kitchen wearing latex gloves and placing trash in Ziploc bags

people.com

Idaho murders: Suspect threw out trash in neighbors’ bins in middle of the night, source says - WEIS | Local & Area News, Sports, & Weather

(NEW YORK) -- Federal investigators saw Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger throw out garbage into neighbors' trash bins in the middle of the night as they surveilled him in Pennsylvania in the days leading up to his arrest, a law enforcement source told ABC News. Kohberger, 28, was...

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[xXpill0wluvrXx]

Maybe he thought if it all went belly-up he would just use the knife on himself, as the ultimate “control” of the situation. My own speculation.

Nah idk I feel like the killer is the type of person to enjoy the ride. If they're going to commit a quadruple homicide I think they're less than afraid of the justice system and the punishment that would follow if they were caught. In BK's case, he was a grad student with extensive knowledge on crime and forensics, so he likely knew what he was getting himself into. I think he's more interested and curious abt the entire process, not just the thrill of the kill or to simply commit some murders then off himself. Either way his head is totally f*cked.

 

[whiterhino]

MOO I don't find the crime meticulous. I have a theory that he came to rape MM with the knife for compliance, and prepared to kill if she fought.
Startled by two people in the bed he killed both (boxing,fish cleaning skills) he found he was good at it.
He went downstairs and came across Xana in some way and killed her and Ethan then left. After two murder scenes he would not have any idea where the sheath was lost so he left, having some confidence since he had cleaned it.
As for losing it I think his sheath was diagonal in a pocket and popped out due to more exertion than he planned on.

I'm thinking something similar (not 100% on the S.A part) only I wonder if MM or KG rolled onto the sheath and by the time he realized he didn't have it, too late. Like maybe he had it in his pocket, pulled out the knife and held the sheath in the other hand, set it down or as you say, it fell out. It was found under MM or KG, IIRC?

He could have easily used the knife to silence them in a way I won't write here.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm thinking something similar (not 100% on the S.A part) only I wonder if MM or KG rolled onto the sheath and by the time he realized he didn't have it, too late. Like maybe he had it in his pocket, pulled out the knife and held the sheath in the other hand, set it down or as you say, it fell out. It was found under MM or KG, IIRC?

He could have easily used the knife to silence them in a way I won't write here.

I think he snuck into Maddie's room with the knife already out and in hand. He's not going to stop and pull it out from wherever he had it and take the time to get it out of the sheath.

If that's the case, he must have put it in a pocket and it fell out, or he set it aside and then intentionally left it at the scene as a little 'screw you' to LE.

JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

MOO I don't find the crime meticulous. I have a theory that he came to rape MM with the knife for compliance, and prepared to kill if she fought.
Startled by two people in the bed he killed both (boxing,fish cleaning skills) he found he was good at it.
He went downstairs and came across Xana in some way and killed her and Ethan then left. After two murder scenes he would not have any idea where the sheath was lost so he left, having some confidence since he had cleaned it.
As for losing it I think his sheath was diagonal in a pocket and popped out due to more exertion than he planned on.

BK did not work at the fish place long because he couldn't get the knife skills down. He was also forbidden to interact with customers because of his demeanor.

Idaho murders suspect was fired because he was so bad at using a knife

Charles Conklin, pictured left, told DailyMail.com that Kohberger lasted just 20 days at his fishing lake as he was so unskilled at fileting fish, while the 'loner' was also 'difficult, withdrawn and shy'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Years Before Firing from University Job, Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was Problematic 'Fish Cutter' Employee

"He was withdrawn and didn't show improvement," a former employer of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger tells PEOPLE

people.com

Even if he had succeeded at cleaning fish, striking a target inside human anatomy is much different than cleaning and fileting fish. We haven't seen exactly where the blows fell, to know whether he struck the same areas every time, indicating he had practiced or was prepared enough to strike preplanned areas on multiple victims in the dark. Either way, a knife that size plunged into a chest is pretty likely to hit some vital stuff. MOOooo

 

[Chloegirl]

Of interest:

Kohberger Lawyer Wants the Public to see Request for Judge to Rethink Dismissing Charges

MOSCOW - In a capital murder case that has been marked by secrecy and media restrictions, a lawyer for accused killer Bryan Kohberger is now asking the judge to make

www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com

 

[10ofRods]

I mostly agree with this theory but I still don't understand how he was planning to account for if the person he targeted started screaming and yelling before he managed to quiet them.

Then he'd have been trapped in an enclosed space red handed, literally, and potentially by a whole mob of housemates.

We know they were a noisy, hectic, crowded house with plenty of visitors. If he was stalking or monitoring them, he'd have known that too.

JMO MOO

All he had to do was google the answer to the question of how to keep knife victims from making noise and he'd find the answer. I believe that's probably what he did. It's also consistent with what SG said about KG's wounds and consistent in general with the torso/upper body wounds mentioned (I believe) by the Coroner.

I believe he also knew about how many people were there that night and figured he could handle the situation - which he did. I do not believe it was the first time he'd ever entered someone else's house without permission, although I am not saying he had killed before. Big parties at that house were typically on Friday, IMO (there's a statement somewhere about pre-parties at off-campus sorority houses in Moscow by more than one person in MSM, but it was ages ago, so let's just say that's a widespread tradition on college campuses, IMO. The big Frat parties were typically on Saturday nights and he knew that too. He might not have known EC was going to be there, but in the end, he was not stopped from killing by EC.

He probably could see only one roommate was up and around on his 2-3 passings by of the house. At the time he entered, perhaps she had just turned off kitchen lights shortly before - hard to know. At any rate, it's likely he had studied the house, as most hot prowlers do and in mental union with some of his favorite serial killers/rapists, ones who make national news.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Good question on the rest of the sheath. MOO If there was any other DNA evidence on the sheath the defense would be requesting it, also I think the defense would ask the whike sheath be tested if it had not Ben.

That could still happen, although I don't think it's in either side's interests to demand it.

In order to test leather sheath thoroughly, one uses more than a swab. This is called consumptive testing, which means that the sheath is changed in nature and is not in the same condition as before the test. A judge has to approve that, IME.

The Defense might expect to make a big deal of stranger DNA left from the tanning process (I believe the sheath was made in Mexico; there would possibly be debate about leather DNA and there are experts in the topic; it would never be single source since biocompounds and cow hide is used in making the sheath. Bovine DNA is about 80% similar to ours and in tanning, that DNA is usually fragmented - so it would likely be inconclusive and the Defense would make much of that.

OTOH, the oils from the owner-user's skin would also be extracted in this process and if BK's was clearly present in the sheath leather, that would help the State.

IMO neither side wants those scenarios to pop up and IMO, the Defense is well aware that it's likely BK's DNA could be found elsewhere on the sheath. The State knows that this testing might also make for another of those "befuddle the jury about DNA" suggestions. Best for the State to use the incontrovertibe single source DNA from the use point of the sheath.

 

[Boxer]

BK did not work at the fish place long because he couldn't get the knife skills down. He was also forbidden to interact with customers because of his demeanor.

Idaho murders suspect was fired because he was so bad at using a knife

Charles Conklin, pictured left, told DailyMail.com that Kohberger lasted just 20 days at his fishing lake as he was so unskilled at fileting fish, while the 'loner' was also 'difficult, withdrawn and shy'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Years Before Firing from University Job, Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was Problematic 'Fish Cutter' Employee

"He was withdrawn and didn't show improvement," a former employer of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger tells PEOPLE

people.com

Even if he had succeeded at cleaning fish, striking a target inside human anatomy is much different than cleaning and fileting fish. We haven't seen exactly where the blows fell, to know whether he struck the same areas every time, indicating he had practiced or was prepared enough to strike preplanned areas on multiple victims in the dark. Either way, a knife that size plunged into a chest is pretty likely to hit some vital stuff. MOOooo

MOO not sure it was knife skills that were the problem. My impression was it was customer service problems.
MOO having finesse with a knife is not necessary to kill, just the boldness to use it aggressively.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm not going to google how to silence someone with a knife as I'm too squeamish but I think it speaks to the fact both young women were sleeping that they didn't scream.

To my mind, if you open a closed bedroom door, you have no way whatsoever of ensuring that person isn't going to scream like crazy no matter what weapon you're carrying. Unless you already gassed them or something. Maybe they sleep with their door ajar?

Oddly, I once read that the best item any woman can own is a door wedge and that always putting a door wedge under the door of any room you're sleeping in would prevent many assaults, rapes, and murders. Especially when travelling or staying in shared / multiple occupancy households. Sadly, this transpires to be the case here.

 

[Kermitskorner]

Nah idk I feel like the killer is the type of person to enjoy the ride. If they're going to commit a quadruple homicide I think they're less than afraid of the justice system and the punishment that would follow if they were caught. In BK's case, he was a grad student with extensive knowledge on crime and forensics, so he likely knew what he was getting himself into. I think he's more interested and curious abt the entire process, not just the thrill of the kill or to simply commit some murders then off himself. Either way his head is totally f*cked.

BK's Objection (May 11, 2023)

IMO-- I can't decide his behavior or nature to the judicial side of his crime. At some capacity in his career, he has to know the textbook version of what happened is criminal & unjust in the systems eyes. Seeing as he had some mental disconnect during the behavioral patterns when committing the crimes-- from gloves misplacement, trashcan mongerer, and just apparent lingering thoughts.

I wonder what his full psych eval would look like-- I also wonder if this (in legal terms) would ever be able to be brought to the Juries thoughts without laying out an insanity plea?? What would the defense or I don't know much about the legal side of criminology which I am interested in learning more.

I found the document from Latah County Court Records for BK's Objection on May 11, 2023. He seems to be detached from this sense of "collecting his evidence" for the gag order. A doctorate student in this field would KNOW the implications of fighting a gag order... but Kohberger acts almost as he is "kept out of the loop" and "had no idea" but maintains the stoic cold personality features to the public often. Question in legal parameters-- Why would he have even tried this knowing the public knew his background in his field?

 

[10ofRods]

MOO not sure it was knife skills that were the problem. My impression was it was customer service problems.
MOO having finesse with a knife is not necessary to kill, just the boldness to use it aggressively.

I also believe that his longterm interest in boxing taught him a lot about where to land (and not to land) blows on the human body, due to the anatomical structures in those places. Boxing would have given him (as I'm sure you know!) rapid skills with hand use and landing blows on a human.

IMO.

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm not going to google how to silence someone with a knife as I'm too squeamish but I think it speaks to the fact both young women were sleeping that they didn't scream.

To my mind, if you open a closed bedroom door, you have no way whatsoever of ensuring that person isn't going to scream like crazy no matter what weapon you're carrying. Unless you already gassed them or something. Maybe they sleep with their door ajar?

Oddly, I once read that the best item any woman can own is a door wedge and that always putting a door wedge under the door of any room you're sleeping in would prevent many assaults, rapes, and murders. Especially when travelling or staying in shared / multiple occupancy households. Sadly, this transpires to be the case here.

Perhaps, but we may get more deaths from fires and smoke inhalation. Wedges prevent access to anybody, even fire fighters. Everyone has to weigh the risk for themselves.

MOO

 

[Odeto BJ]

About the only thing similar between a K-Bar and a fish filleting knife for smaller fish is they both have a sharp edge. Filleting knifes are made to flex and ground to slice to only minor depths at acute angles. Not very useful for stabbing. A combat knife is very stiff and made to stab or to slice to depth at an angle near perpendicular.

A review of filleting knives: 4:00 to 6:00 considerable discussion on grind and flex.

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The fishing operation: The largest fish are Brown Trout in the 24" size; give or take. Nothing that would require a big knife to trim and fillet. To be useful at the fish and pay operation, an employee at the table would need to be safe, fast and a little fearless. The whole trim table operation is done right in front of the customer so a little distractive patter would be useful to keep customers...uh...comfortable?

The only developed or researched knife oriented skill required for this crime would be that required to keep the victims near quiet during each attack, which is largely intuitive and, as already has been indicated, can be found easily on the internet.

 

[Boxer]

Perhaps, but we may get more deaths from fires and smoke inhalation. Wedges prevent access to anybody, even fire fighters. Everyone has to weigh the risk for themselves.

MOO

Two drunk gals winding down from a club and late take out, obsessively dialing one of their exes, I doubt they even shut the door.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Two drunk gals winding down from a club and late take out, obsessively dialing one of their exes, I doubt they even shut the door.

Especially since no one else lived on the third floor, and the dog was in another room. They might have wanted to hear Murphy to know he was ok. At least I would have. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

I'm still sitting here brewing over what exactly AT wants from unsealing part of...discovery? discovery used during the GH process? I guess we can't know unless and until it is unsealed, but it so strange.

If it were truly exonerating information, I personally believe Judge Judge would have noticed amidst all these motions. Surely it's just an attempt to get a little positive spin before trial?

But WHAT could it be??? Driving me nuts and leading me to

SPECULATION, of course. And I still got nothin.

 

[Megnut]

Of interest:

Kohberger Lawyer Wants the Public to see Request for Judge to Rethink Dismissing Charges

MOSCOW - In a capital murder case that has been marked by secrecy and media restrictions, a lawyer for accused killer Bryan Kohberger is now asking the judge to make

www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com

Wow.

Since when is the court influenced by popular sentiment?

Why is the defense trying to skirt gag orders?

If the public is aware of some juicy tidbit, how does that assist justice?

Perhaps it was done so it would be talked about, speculated and that's good enough for the defense.

Jmo