4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

What I wonder is why he didn't just leave his phone back in his apartment when he allegedly drove to Moscow and committed quadruple murder? If he had left his phone at home, wouldn't LE just see that his phone stayed in one place all night long and it was his apartment where it was? You know, like most people's phones generally do all night every night, when most people sleep. If his phone data had shown them that it had stayed home all night, would they have been as sure about the rest of their (perfectly valid) circumstantial evidence pointing to him? Would they have been as confident in saying that blurry grainy car in the videos was a 2015 Elantra? (or whatever year it was)

What could have been SO crucial that BK couldn't have left his phone at home that night? I figure he wanted it for GPS, so he could take an unfamiliar route home and not get lost. And maybe he had found a place earlier to ditch some evidence, but needed to use his phone maps to get back to it. What else would he need it for?

Whatever it was, seems like he could have figured out a way around it without having to take his phone along for the ride. What would it matter if he got lost on his way home? Pretty sure he could eventually find his way home without his phone, even if it did take more time and effort. And if he really was THAT dependent on phone GPS or some other feature only his phone has, he could always have just bought a quick burner phone for the use of that night only and destroyed it. And then came home to his apartment without it, where he'd find his own phone patiently waiting there for him, having got a good night's sleep, instead of relentlessly recording incriminating data on his travels like it would if he took it with him. Like he did.

Wouldn't you have expected him to leave his phone at home that night? Or am I the only one who finds that surprising. Am I wrong in thinking that would have been the best thing for him to have done w/his phone that night?

Maybe he never thought to leave it at home that night, because he seriously never thought it would matter. Because he truly thought he would never be a suspect, much less THE suspect!

I've always wondered if he took his phone because he wanted to take pictures / video recordings?

I don't think his intention was to set out and murder four people, or maybe even one person. It's possible he wanted to creep in only the room of one person whom he thought was sleeping and maybe harm that person, maybe taking photos? Would he have been known as the masked knifepoint attacker in his 'vision' of how it went down?

 

[schooling]

They reported a vans type diamond pattern.
PCA
The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedrroom
JMO

why would anyone hold on to the presumably bloody shoes that they committed a quadruple murder in? He would have gotten rid of them the same way he did the clothing and knife.

Also, New Balance and other non-skateboarding adjacent running / walking sneakers also have diamond shoe patterns. They are not exclusive to Van’s (as you point out in “similar” from the PCA)

Not that I think they’ll ever find the shoes. But a receipt or a picture of him in a pair of running sneakers with diamond patterns is not out of the question. I think it’s actually pretty plausible.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Presumably for the duration his 8458 phone was reporting to the network, when he decided to take it with him, or when it was not switched off. AT not once divulged that this phone was manually silenced on the fateful night in question—why should we expect her to be forthcoming and reveal additional occasions now?

These are referring to the twelve occasions in both CAST reports. CAST reports prepared by the FBI.
The twelve visits described in the exhibit to the PCA.
Not additional occasions from the D.

PCA exhibit
On December 23, 2022 pursuant to that search warrant, I received historical records for the 8458 Phone from AT&T from the time the account was opened in June 2022. After consulting with CAST SA, I was able to determine estimated locations for the 8458 Phone from June 2022 to present, the time period authorized by the court. The records for the 8458 Phone show the 8458 Phone utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to the area of I 122 King Road on at least twelve occasions prior to November 13,2022. All of these occasions, except for one, occurred in the late evening and early morning hous of their respective days.

AT:
The really BIG deal is that from the records you can see handoffs so you know where the vehicle is going, know whether it is stationary or not, you can know whether its parked looking at a place or not: based on those records they absolutely knew Mr K wasn't around that residence, wasn't parked near the residence, didn't stop and have his phone in a stationary position at that residence: they absolutely knew that that was not what was happening.


JMO

The fact he crossed the state boarder and visited Moscow "at least" 12 times "late evening and early morning" yet never returned again after date of attack with said phone is cause for further investigation, IMO.

There are twelve occasions reported by LE from June to Nov 13.
LE also has the data from Nov 13 to Dec 23.
JMO

A magistrate agreed.

What information did the magistrate use to determine PC?
This is what much of the latest hearing was about.
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

There was something else that LEO zeroed in on BK, prior to the DNA, whether it was the White Elantra in the vicinity, something. That is when they zeroed in on BK, and subsequently matched his DNA on the knife sheath.

Criminal mastermind, idiot, drove his own car. That time of night, highway between Pullman and Moscow is dead. And there are not that many cars driving around in Moscow that time of night. Pull the license plates, match to a male, between 25 and 50. Done.

 

[Nila Aella]

why would anyone hold on to the presumably bloody shoes that they committed a quadruple murder in? He would have gotten rid of them the same way he did the clothing and knife.

Also, New Balance and other non-skateboarding adjacent running / walking sneakers also have diamond shoe patterns. They are not exclusive to Van’s. Not that I think they’ll ever find the shoes. But a receipt or a picture of pair of running sneakers with diamond patterns is not out of the question.

MOO

I did not say he did.
I was answering the posters question about items recovered see below.
JMO

I know the shoe print was in the PCA; however, IMO, it will not come up in the trial. Of course I don't know this for sure; but, I don't recall seeing the type of shoes we were discussing/identifying on this board being listed as items recovered/obtained via any of the searches. Also, if he went full-on Dexter, the tyvex-type coveralls would have covered his shoes.

Both sides mentioned the footprint in this last hearing. Both mentioned it is in the brief.
They recovered shoes/boots (not vans) on the search warrants. Unknown what type of sole they had.
If he covered his shoes, how did he make the print?

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

In the PCA it was stated multiple times that DMs door was closed most of the time the murders were being committed. There were 7 people in the house alive at some point during the carrying out of the murders. 2 killed upstairs. 2 victims and a survivor on the main floor and 1 survivor in the basement. And 1 roaming maniac with a knife. That’s a lot of movement that DM could not have possible accounted for.

And IMO , DM slept with and woke up with BF after she was sure the killer had left.

A footprint outside of the door is not the smoking gun that the defense thinks it is. MOO

The prosecution is using this print to support DMs testimony about the suspects route of travel exiting the house. It is in the exhibit to the PCA.
The D is addressing what they think is wrong with this.
JMO

Maybe if they put BK on the stand he can’t tell us the route he took through the house when DMs door was closed and why that couldn’t possibly be his footprint.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Interesting....."between March 20 and March 30, 2022" seems very specific. What did they know/find that would suggest that time frame I wonder?

Some universities bring in their doctoral applicants for a campus visit in the spring before a decision to admit is made - either as part of the admissions process or just for a campus visit/meet and greet as part of the process. So this would line up with the time frame when that would usually occur, although we don't know if this was the case for his doctoral program at WSU.

Even at the same university, different departments often handle the admissions and/or in-person meeting differently. Some small doctoral programs might want an in-person interview before admitting a student. Others may not. I've experienced both at a number of universities and departments.

 

[INfisherman]

They reported a vans type diamond pattern.
PCA
The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedrroom
JMO

Yeah, with or without tread pattern. Evidently in this case with tread pattern. Footwear can be covered & still leave tread patterns, depending on how the covering material reacts when weight is applied or how thick it is. The substrate into where the print was left might also make a difference in the detail of the print.

I’m by no means stating BK definitely did cover his footwear - but not saying he didn’t either.

 

[Cool Cats]

In the PCA it was stated multiple times that DMs door was closed most of the time the murders were being committed. There were 7 people in the house alive at some point during the carrying out of the murders. 2 killed upstairs. 2 victims and a survivor on the main floor and 1 survivor in the basement. And 1 roaming maniac with a knife. That’s a lot of movement that DM could not have possible accounted for.

And IMO , DM slept with and woke up with BF after she was sure the killer had left.

A footprint outside of the door is not the smoking gun that the defense thinks it is. MOO

Maybe if they put BK on the stand he can’t tell us the route he took through the house when DMs door was closed and why that couldn’t possibly be his footprint.

MOO

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Maybe if they put BK on the stand he can’t tell us the route he took through the house when DMs door was closed and why that couldn’t possibly be his footprint.

BK cannot discus anything about the footprint, door, house, etc... Because he cannot admit he was in the house that night.

I believe if BK gets on the stand he will screw up and hurt his case. I think AT will try to keep him off the stand.

2 Cents

 

[INfisherman]

I believe if BK gets on the stand he will screw up and hurt his case. I think AT will try to keep him off the stand.

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RSBBBM

Then by all means, get his rear in the stand! Heh.

<locks the doggie door & pushes out a box of doughnuts, 1/2 cream filled>

 

[stemkb]

These are referring to the twelve occasions in both CAST reports. CAST reports prepared by the FBI.
The twelve visits described in the exhibit to the PCA.
Not additional occasions from the D.

Yes, I'm aware. I am responding to #884 where you randomly quote Anne Taylor. Presumably you had something in mind.

AT argued before Judge Hippler this network reporting was only included in the PCA to mislead a magistrate the activity was part of a stalking exercise by her client when, at the time of writing, detectives were in receipt of more detailed information that demonstrated the 8458 phone was not stationary by "the house".

AT: "He did go to Moscow, he did drive around, but he wasn't over there."

I'm pointing out that individuals planning a criminal act have means of concealment before or during the commission of said act (like leaving your phone behind or turning it off), their attorneys are not likely to acknowledge or confront these methods until pressed, and that any rational detective would still highlight the "late evening and early morning" excursions, plus the lack of network reporting in Moscow from the 8458 phone following the attack, to demonstrate the defendant crossed into Idaho, was somewhat familiar with the route in and out of town, in the hope of securing a signature and fathering their investigation to help establish if the suspect indeed visited said property.

There are twelve occasions reported by LE from June to Nov 13. LE also has the data from Nov 13 to Dec 23.

It's possible, I suppose. The PCA (Exhibit A) was dated December 29. If there was subsequent visits with the 8458 phone, the PCA fails to mention them, either because they didn't happen or are irrelevant to the timeframe detectives were interested in.

 

[Cool Cats]

RSBBBM

Then by all means, get his rear in the stand! Heh.

<locks the doggie door & pushes out a box of doughnuts, 1/2 cream filled>

Don't encourage that darn varmit!

 

[StarryStarryNight]

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Maybe if they put BK on the stand he can’t tell us the route he took through the house when DMs door was closed and why that couldn’t possibly be his footprint.

BK cannot discus anything about the footprint, door, house, etc... Because he cannot admit he was in the house that night.

I believe if BK gets on the stand he will screw up and hurt his case. I think AT will try to keep him off the stand.

2 Cents

BK doesn’t have to admit he was in the house because his attorney, AT, admitted he was in the house by arguing that BK had an expectation of privacy for his DNA so it should not have been collected by LE.
If it wasn’t his DNA she wouldn’t be able to argue that.
BK’s DNA, somewhere it shouldn’t be and nobody can wash it away.

 

[wendy44]

Where can I find the full video?

They have the full videos on Law and Crime network (one on Thursday and two on Friday). The open portion of Thursday's video doesn't start until about 5 hours, 20 minutes in.

I think I watched part of it. The defense was arguing suppression of dna evidence. Claiming it was illegally collected.

She also said two things that sparked my interest and I’m wondering what it’s about and what has been said in response by the state, pundits, etc.: 1) The state conducted many things in “secret”. I’m not sure what she means. 2) The state violated the law by conducting certain searches. I think she was talking about using the genealogy databases? The judge did not challenge that statement. What was she talking about?

TIA!

In the hearings that were closed, it seems there was testimony that the FBI violated terms of service of two genealogical databases when conducting their IGG. MyHeritage seems to be one of them and I don't think we know the other. The judge countered that the FBI violating terms of service of a website and/or violating their own guidelines when conducting IGG is not unconstitutional, which is what this hearing was focused on.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

LE says the Elantra circled three times before landing behind 1122. It'd like to hear how AT would classify those loops. "Not near", "Not stopping"...

Just what exactly was BK doing driving in circles in Moscow at 2 - 3 - 4am then? Taking in the stars? Optimal, through general fog and light pollution.

Perhaps that night wasn't his first loop.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Know what else you can buy from Amazon?

A nice pair of midnight trainers. Vans. Diamond pattern soles and black-out features.

https://a.co/d/bzqZg9j

 

[Boxer]

Yes, lots of college students drink too much although it's not clear the witness spent time with KG that night or even knew very her well. I hadn't assumed the witness was definitely under the influence though until I read she said her memory was affected by alcohol.

I would like to know more about the actual interview before I find her credible. I still think she sounded coached in what has been reported.
MOO

Coached during her initial interview? What ?

 

[Cool Cats]

BK doesn’t have to admit he was in the house because his attorney, AT, admitted he was in the house by arguing that BK had an expectation of privacy for his DNA so it should not have been collected by LE.
If it wasn’t his DNA she wouldn’t be able to argue that.
BK’s DNA, somewhere it shouldn’t be and nobody can wash it away.

AT actually said her client was in the murder house and left his DNA on a sheath under a murder victim?

Dozens and/or hundreds of DNA is collected from crime scenes. AT did not complain DNA was found in some other places like on a glove outside or on a cigarette.

If DNA can't be collected then next it will be fingerprints. Then Blood, semen, fibers, hairs, sweat, spit, footprints, vomit, urine, finger nails, and on and on.

No offense to you Starry but this is all poppycock. Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Just throw out all the criminals onto the streets because now they have to have their convictions over turned.

Investigations are not allowed in the USA.

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[Cool Cats]

Coached during her initial interview? What ?

I do not believe she was coached, she gave a description that fit BK and no one can take that away.

2 Cents

 

[wendy44]

I've just been watching the January 23, 2025 hearing (linked below) and I have a question maybe someone can answer.

At around 6:03:28 AT is referencing the FBI's data searches of the sheath DNA. She brings up the DNA searches as being simular to a "tip" or "confidential informant" law. In what way is AT saying those two things (tips or CI's) are relevant or simular to searching for identity from crime scene DNA?

TIA if anyone can explain that for me.

I went back and listened and she was jumping from the FBI Interim policy to something that was said by Jeff Nye at around 5:59:20:

"I will note in this case as the court may be familiar with it as it's probably read back through the record, the defense in this case has gotten a lot more information than many defendants in other states have where there's been an IGG investigation. Because the majority of courts have found this isn't really relevant information, it's just a tip."