5/15/2012--Sentencing

[Flowercb]

I did some sleuthing on the MTR discussion thread and found info. that some of you sleuthed on a possible MTR father.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87664&highlight=Victoria+Stafford&page=3

 

[Bravo]

The prison on Vancouver Island gives inmates more opportunities to improve themselves ... garden, enjoy the ocean view, live commune style. I recall that Colin Thatcher requested permission to have his horse out there with him. I think that was initially approved, but later someone came to their senses ... not sure how that was resolved.

For hard core inmates like Bernardo and Williams, with multiple murders, rapes, crimes in their portfolio, they should not have access to anything that resembles a weapon - like a shovel. Rafferty is not like the other two ... with one offense ... so maybe over time he will be moved to a less restrictive cell or prison life where he can live commune style.

I disagree as far as Rafferty not being like the other two. In my opinion Rafferty was just ramping it up and getting started. He just got caught sooner than the others. I wouldn't mind if he eventually got moved lol He is a sadistic,violent,murdering psychopath with a penchant for children. That will never change.

 

[Bravo]

Not that I care, but IMO MTR will have a very difficult time adjusting to prison life. He could not even take the taunting when he was incarcerated at the Elgin-Middlesex Detention Centre, so they had to move him to Chatham Jail. Don't think he'll get that type of privilege again. Somehow prisoners find a way, i.e. JD (cannibal).

MOO

I agree he will have a very difficult time adjusting. He did have complaints about the taunting from the Bandito's but it became a huge security risk to the staff. I know myself included i often wish for an inmate to get some "prison justice" However we have to remember those incidents put staff in a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[otto]

Whaaaat! Nooooo Don't agree atall

Rafferty is a violent pedophile sexual sadist! We didn't hear all the details of what he did to Victoria. Her death was not an easy death. It was a barbaric violence perpetrated on an innocent 8 year old girl.

Pedophiles cannot be rehabilited and put back in society, that's playing with fire.... JMO

I was separating Rafferty, with one victim, from Bernardo and Williams, who each had several victims. That makes a difference. The probability that Rafferty would re-offend if released is high, but it's not a certainty. Men that have one victim are often released after 25 years ... just saying.

 

[Dmman]

I disagree as far as Rafferty not being like the other two. In my opinion Rafferty was just ramping it up and getting started. He just got caught sooner than the others. I wouldn't mind if he eventually got moved lol He is a sadistic,violent,murdering psychopath with a penchant for children. That will never change.

ITA!!! In my eyes, he's worse with a sickness for children

 

[Dmman]

I was separating Rafferty, with one victim, from Bernardo and Williams, who each had several victims. That makes a difference. The probability that Rafferty would re-offend if released is high, but it's not a certainty. Men that have one victim are often released after 25 years ... just saying.

I believe at 28 yrs old he was just starting...His out of control lifestyle with all the women shows he was on a dangerous path & obviously he seethed confidence. Lord knows how many of our children he would've stolen if he wasn't caught when he was!!!

 

[Bravo]

I was separating Rafferty, with one victim, from Bernardo and Williams, who each had several victims. That makes a difference. The probability that Rafferty would re-offend if released is high, but it's not a certainty. Men that have one victim are often released after 25 years ... just saying.

Yes i see what you are saying but i think anyone who commits such a crime isn't going to stop until they are caught and given an opportunity they would continue. I pray he is never released and in my opinion due to the nature of his crime he never will be. MOO

 

[Bravo]

I believe at 28 yrs old he was just starting...His out of control lifestyle with all the women shows he was on a dangerous path & obviously he seethed confidence. Lord knows how many of our children he would've stolen if he wasn't caught when he was!!!

Agree. I also wonder what dont we know.

 

[otto]

Isn't this scary! This guy didn't even have to complete a rehab. program and he's back out on the streets of Calgary!


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...litated+and+released&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

I was just doing a search for Canadian rapists that have been released and that one came up. I was also thinking about BTK, who committed several rapes/murders and then stopped.

 

[roseofsharon]

I agree he will have a very difficult time adjusting. He did have complaints about the taunting from the Bandito's but it became a huge security risk to the staff. I know myself included i often wish for an inmate to get some "prison justice" However we have to remember those incidents put staff in a potentially dangerous situation.

My only wish for MTR is to experience the fear TS was forced to endure!

I'm sure he will be kept segregated and want him to serve all those years behind bars in a personal hell of his own making.

Wherever MTR is housed, staff please stay safe, as it would be too sad to know staff were injured in any way due to MTR!

MOO

 

[flipflop]

I was just doing a search for Canadian rapists that have been released and that one came up. I was also thinking about BTK, who committed several rapes/murders and then stopped.

There are a few names come up on google, that have been released....but then google that name and you see that they have been arrested again for breach or assault.

 

[roseofsharon]

Here are some stats on recidivism.


http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/pub/pdf/C24.pdf

 

[otto]

There are a few names come up on google, that have been released....but then google that name and you see that they have been arrested again for breach or assault.

It's hard to say. Sometimes 25 years is enough for someone to change and sometimes not. Given that Rafferty has one victim, he has a better chance of being released after 25 years ... like so many others with one victim. He'll be protected from other prisoners for as long as needed ... hopefully he'll become completely mad/insane over the years.

 

[roseofsharon]

It's hard to say. Sometimes 25 years is enough for someone to change and sometimes not. Given that Rafferty has one victim, he has a better chance of being released after 25 years ... like so many others with one victim. He'll be protected from other prisoners for as long as needed ... hopefully he'll become completely mad/insane over the years.

JH ordered MTR to provide a DNA sample. It is not certain yet that TS was his only victim.

 

[swedie]

I posted this link before pertaining to MR and I wonder if anyone else sees any traits on this list which is fitting to MR. I underlined what I felt was fitting; cannot say for certainty about not getting along with his mother but a good indication would be, he himself told women he had issues/troubles at home, didn't get along with his brothers and was shipped away to live with an aunt and uncle at a young age. (early teens?) MOO. There is something very off with MR, not only because he abducted, sexually assaulted Tori and murdered her, but there is something twisted in his head and it would be interesting to figure out what made him do what he did. I do not believe this was something which just cropped up in the past couple of years; it's something which has been brewing for many years. I've always believed monsters are not born, they are raised. I hope at sometime we are privy to what the heck went on in his life. I would not be surprised to find out he lacked a decent male role model in his life or a male role model period. JMO

Misogyny (mi-soj'e-ne) n. Hatred of women; a person who hates women.

> * Extremely possessive, always wanting to know where you are; who you're with.

> * Obsessively jealous, even of your women friends.

> * Has first class spending habits; always wanting more.

> * Can't stand criticism; always on the defense.

> * Had a poor relationship with his mother.

> * Uncomfortable with feelings; contemptuous of other's weaknesses.

> * If you share a secret with him it may be used against you.

> * Threats of withdrawal if you don't comply, "If you really loved me, you would…"

> * Makes fun of you, calls you names and inflicts little digs; hostile humor.

> * You feel awkward and incompetent around him; controlled.

> * Embarrasses you in public, or flatters you then cuts you down when alone.

> * Is nasty behind the wheel and feels that others' mistakes are directed toward him.

> * Wants or demands undivided attention; you are to be available when he wants you.

> * Has grandiose behavior; is cocky, controlling, self-centered.

> * Is competitive; must always win; his way or no way at all.

> * Is an habitual liar; he twists facts to make it look as if he were the victim.

> * Has extreme mood swings (extreme high to low).

> * Takes no responsibility for anything; blames others/things/ circumstances for his behavior.

> * Treats you rough at times; twisting your arm, grabbing, shoving.

> * Is nice to others, but treats you badly; shows no respect.

> * Professes to be religious then attacks YOUR religious beliefs.

> * Gives gifts then demands favors.

> * Makes jokes and puts women down in front of you then ridicules you for being upset.

> * Encourages pity from others; convinces you to feel sorry for him for all he's had to endure.

> *Constantly cuts down your family and friends; isolates you. You must account for your time.

> * Very impatient and when he gets angry will destroy property; usually yours.

> *Overly sensitive and sulks when he doesn't get his way.

> * Tells you everything to do; what to do, how to do it,

> when to do it; what to wear

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-422802.htm

 

[swedie]

What Causes A Man To Become A Misogynist?

It seems that the root cause of misogyny has not been pinpointed, though theories point to upbringing, religious views or our patriarchal society in general. Perhaps these men grew up in dysfunctional families where they had a poor relationship with their mothers. As a mother myself, I cannot imagine the mother who is terrible enough to turn her son against more than half the planet. I still don’t get it.

Maybe they grew up with fathers who believed that a woman’s place is in the home. Then, as more and more women moved out of this “norm”, the general feeling became that these women are bad people; thus women are bad people. These men often adopt the view that only mothers (homemakers) are good and wholesome. Women who want to work outside the home, educate themselves and not conform to the traditional roles of women are morally corrupt. This line of thinking is referred to as the mother/ or virgin/ dichotomy. That is to say, these men ascribe to the belief that only mothers and virgins are wholesome and good. Any woman who does not conform to tradition roles or maintain her virginity until marriage must be, in the misogynistic mind, a .

More info here:
http://health.wikinut.com/The-Twisted-Mind-of-the-Misogynist/t87p4922/

 

[littlebirdie]

Gees, I am furious!! :furious:

Go ahead, torment the poor woman more!!!! Cause she def hasn't been through enough already. Poor Tara!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The psychopath's manipulating never, ever ends. Notice he didn't choose Rodney but Tara, a woman.

 

[swedie]

CANADIAN COMMON SENSE: TRULY A LIFE SENTENCE?

Charles Adler looks at the recent sentencing of convicted murderer Michael Rafferty, and the unfortunate reality of life sentences in Canada. Also watch the other video to follow this one. Interview with Rodney and "Nana" DG.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/...mon-sense-truly-a-life-sentence/1643010316001

 

[Wondergirl]

This one?

http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/article/114781--a-visit-to-hell-in-bernardo-wing

It was the ground floor wing for the worst of the worst, the sexual offenders who had to be housed by themselves for their own safety. Plexiglas across the bars in this area of the prison prevented other inmates from hurling objects at them. In prison culture, men who rape and kill children are considered the lowest of the low. Injuring them would be a badge of honour.

Yes, thank-you very much, that IS the one.

Here are a couple of revealing looks as to where Rafferty is heading.

It was the ground floor wing for the worst of the worst, the sexual offenders who had to be housed by themselves for their own safety. Plexiglas across the bars in this area of the prison prevented other inmates from hurling objects at them. In prison culture, men who rape and kill children are considered the lowest of the low. Injuring them would be a badge of honour.

The gate to the "Bernardo Wing" suddenly opened and I stepped inside, albeit hesitantly.

Extending upward from the floor and arching over the guards was a Plexiglas shield that ran the length of the range.

"Why the shield?" I naively inquired.

Just then, a stream of yellowish liquid came hurtling from one of the cells. "Duck," yelled my guide.

I dove for cover as the urine hit the shield and trickled harmlessly to the floor.

"That's why," said my guide, somewhat amused as I picked myself off the deck and looked upward at yet another white face peering down at me from the second row, grinning, his front teeth missing.

The shield was dotted with urine stains, spit, feces. Then came a second volley of yellow fluid. The two guards seated at the screens never even looked up. Such was life in this special section.

"People wanted him to rot in jail," I said, and my guide finished my thought: "I think they got their wish," he said.

"If you really want to experience what life is like right now for Mr. Bernardo," said my guide, "you have to go inside a cell."

We found an empty one, similar to the cage where Bernardo lives 23 hours a day, 365 days a year, getting out only for his daily bit of fresh air in a small, fenced-in compound, or showering twice a week, always watched.

The cell was tiny. If you want the same experience, step into a small walk-in closet and close the door. There was a bunk on one side, a toilet at the far end.

The cell was about three paces long, and about as wide as Bernardo's arm span. Claustrophobia set in immediately. I felt trapped, and thought of animals in the zoo in small cages, and how horrible must be their existence.

"I've had enough," I said, turning to leave, just as the bars behind me shut. "What are you doing?" I asked my guide, now my jailer, standing on the other side of freedom.

http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/article/114781--a-visit-to-hell-in-bernardo-wing

 

[swedie]

Shutting Down the Kingston Penitentiary Aired April 2012. In this clip they speak of making some inmates bunk together in other prisons because of the shortage of space. Let's hope MR gets put in with RW. I'm sure they could cozy up together quite nicely. :floorlaugh:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUE9mMFZn4"]Shutting Down the Kingston Penitentiary - YouTube[/ame]