5/15/2012--Sentencing

[littlebirdie]

The key words in your question craziladi are "right mind" ha! NOT! Also, I read that you are getting some 'white stuff' in your neck o' the woods in Canada. I have some here too but most has finally melted away although going to be chilly tonight.

Oops, sorry craziladi, I see now it was otto that originally posted about the snow! Old age.........

 

[JayFriend]

In reading the summary, I don't see anything specifying that the kidnapped person is unknown to the kidnapper. Is more to it? I completely disagree with the bill if it would also include parents that, for whatever desperate reason, kidnap their own children.

"This enactment amends the Criminal Code to prescribe a minimum punishment of five years when a kidnap victim is under sixteen years of age." I think it's now 5-7 if a weapon is used and 4 if no weapon is used. What am I missing?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5144706&File=24

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Mode=1&Language=E&billId=5134262&View=0

http://www.cjbk.com/LocalNews/Story.aspx?ID=1704996

"David Wilks the Minister of Parliament for Kootenay-Columbia, British Columbia, has tabled private member's Bill c-299 calling for a 5 year minimum jail sentence for those offenders convicted of kidnapping a child under 16 years of age when the offender is a stranger to the victim (Not a parental-type abduction)."

ETA

Oops, I think I originally said 10 years, but it's 5.

 

[littlebirdie]

So who would you choose to double bunk with Rafferty? :woohoo:

This guy sounds like a perfect roomie don't ya think?illowfight:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-29/news/30456555_1_serial-killer-life-sentence-cellmate

 

[littlebirdie]

O/T While Googling around I came across this site. Would MR have access to a computer or the ability to have pen pals? :gasp:

http://prisonpenpals.com/canada.html

 

[littlebirdie]

yes they were pretty bang on about many things....especially where VS could be found....and in the end, she was found in a very similar detailed spot as the astrologers said she would....pretty amazing stuff on that thread!!!!

I am a newbie here at Websleuths and would truly appreciate it if someone could direct me as to how to find the astrology thread?

 

[JayFriend]

O/T While Googling around I came across this site. Would MR have access to a computer or the ability to have pen pals? :gasp:

http://prisonpenpals.com/canada.html

From what I've read, prisoners can have TVs and computers if they pay for them, but no internet access. I suppose they could use the computers for gaming and writing stories. I expect prisoners on that site communicate by snailmail.

 

[dar107]

http://updatednews.ca/2012/05/16/canadas-butterfly-migration-is-largest-on-record/

"The explosion in butterfly populations is mostly due to the warm weather this winter throughout North America. It caused butterflies to emerge from their overwintering forms in places like Texas and Florida sooner, and then improved their survival rates as they headed north.

The first local butterflies (ones that overwinter in Canada) were seen as early as March — “damned peculiar,” Kerr said —and southern Ontario was hit by its first big wave of migratory butterflies in mid-April, thanks in part to strong winds."

A second wave arrived in early May, boosting the diversity in southern Ontario


I like to believe they came for Tori

 

[Yody04]

Because...?

if we don't wanna discuss the DP then we have to leave him out because in the last posted shows/reports from him here in this thread he seems to support the petition.
That's the reason why I had to say something about it too. Otherwise I am having the feeling to unwillingly agree on this matter.
Hard to explain it's simply that it bothers the hack out of me to listen or to read about it. ...and then not having the chance to respond :maddening:

 

[Yody04]

I am a newbie here at Websleuths and would truly appreciate it if someone could direct me as to how to find the astrology thread?

somebody wrote it's somewhere on page 18

 

[swedie]

I'm actually surprised that more hasn't come out from the women he dated, considering there were so many of them. I mean, we get the impression that he is a disgusting, deviant, psychopath, drug addict, and I'm not sure how he could have masked that so well. But it seems he did... I was shocked to see on the PoF profile that he had something like 30 "favorites". Ugh.

A lot of bad stories have come out, of course, but it's still weird to me that there seemed to be a number of people who were willing to stand up for him (well, at least anonymously), some up until the very last days when the child stuff came out. Why were some people were so convinced of his innocence, even in the face of credible evidence against him? It's also scary that he was lurking around all of these women and their children for so long and that many didn't see his 'dark side'. Were there really no signs? Was he charming enough to ignore them?

Not being critical of anyone. It's more that I think 'gullible young women on PoF' doesn't really capture all of this. It may be easy now to match up checklists that indicate MR is a psychopath or misogynist, but I wonder whether or not people who knew him look back and see the signs that things were not right.

Great post Abbey. First bold; It's so true what psychologists and psychiatrists say that the warning signs are all there in these people. (I also like to refer to the warning signs as gut instincts also). It is whether people chose to recognize them or deny them. Look at TLM for example; she saw the warning signs with MR, but ignored them in hopes her judgement was wrong and she had found her prince charming. The statements from TLM are totally in your face evidence of warnings signs. There are less subtle hints women should always be on the look out for and when your hinky meter says, "This guy is just not right", RUN! If it seems serious enough, don't hold back; report it to LE. :moo:

Second bold; Could it be the ones who denied MR's involvement or minimized it were maybe his friends or acquaintances? Possibly found it easier to go anonymous then ID themselves? The saying goes "easier to defend the devil you know, then the devil you don't know" IIRC.

In testimony at Rafferty’s trial McClintic said she cared for him, though by her account he seemed to strike just enough of a balance between putting her down and making her feel good to keep her looking to him for love.

He referred to their pairing as “Lucifer meets the bible thumper,” McClintic said. But he also asked her to spend a night at a motel with him, telling her he wanted to wake up next to her, she said.

McClintic said there were things about Rafferty that she ignored because she wanted to have finally found a good man, but it’s not as if Rafferty was going to great lengths to hide his sexual proclivities. He would drive past schools and talk about how easy it would be to snatch a child, she said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...ynne-mcclintic-met-depraved-michael-rafferty/

 

[maxfactor]

O/T While Googling around I came across this site. Would MR have access to a computer or the ability to have pen pals? :gasp:

http://prisonpenpals.com/canada.html

Yikes!! I fully expect to see Mychol on there at some point!!! Prisoners aren't supposed to have internet access. Here's another site that's interesting!
[ame="http://prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=368"]Canada Prison Profiles - Prison Talk[/ame]

 

[maxfactor]

Here are some interesting videos if anyone is interested in seeing inside KP and Millhaven.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDuLlI7WH0"]Millhaven Institution: Integration of Offenders - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKWLllgnO00&feature=related"]Inside Kingston Pen (1994) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[swedie]

Woah! I've not heard of some of these details before. Her mother's boyfriend threatened to slit TLM's throat? CM and TLM were shacked up with him? :what:

Rafferty and McClintic’s brief but twisted pairing began in that pizza shop, when he called her a “pretty little number,” according to McClintic. Then they had sex in his car.

Rafferty climbed on top of McClintic and began to choke her, she reported. McClintic returned home not long after, with cold pizza and “Mike’s” number written in the box. She didn’t know his last name, but he didn’t really talk much about himself, she said.

Eighteen-year-old McClintic wasn’t the first young woman Rafferty choked during sex. In all, 12 other women reported being choked by him. Some consented, others didn’t. One woman signed a note consenting to “sexual choking and passing out,” while another alleged he drugged, choked and raped her.

Her birth mother was a stripper who gave her up to a fellow stripper, Carol McClintic. Terri-Lynne McClintic says her adoptive mother gave up the trade when she started to care for the baby, but life would be anything but stable.

McClintic grew up shuttled between eight different communities, bouncing from Carol McClintic’s home to foster care, back home and back to foster care again. Violence was prevalent, as were Carol McClintic’s drinking and drug habits.

Terri-Lynne McClintic picked up on those habits early, starting to use marijuana at age eight. She would go on to consume an astonishing amount of drugs in her formative years, moving on to cocaine, ecstasy, morphine, OxyContin — whatever was most readily available wherever she found herself living.

The first time McClintic got into trouble with the police was when she stole some toys from a hardware store at age 10.

When she was 11, McClintic went into a foster home after reporting that her mother has been physically and verbally abusing her every day for the past two years. The following year Carol McClintic was arrested for public intoxication after police see a 12-year-old Terri-Lynne running away from her intoxicated mother.

A few months later, her mother’s boyfriend gets drunk and threatens to slit McClintic’s throat. He is criminally charged.
McClintic spent an inordinate amount of time either meting out violence or finding herself on the receiving end of it. As a child she microwaved a dog until it screamed. It had to be put down but she blamed the dog’s injuries on an attack from another dog.

Her first criminal charge came at age 15, when she flew into a rage after being asked to move out of her mother’s boyfriend’s house — the same boyfriend who had threatened two years prior to slit her throat — and punched her mother in the face so hard that she fractured Carol McClintic’s cheekbone.

Today McClintic cites very few positive influences in her life. She names a godmother and a man who died when she was young. She stopped going to school full-time after Grade 8. Around the same time she overdosed on drugs and lost portions of her memory.

Other than drugs, the prevailing themes in Rafferty’s life were women and sexual paraphilias. Though later in his life, particularly in the months leading up to Tori’s death and in the weeks after Rafferty bounced from woman to woman with astonishing speed, online diaries of a young woman detail a relationship she had with Rafferty for more than two years starting when he was 22.

They lived together for a while and she reported he was paranoid about her cheating on him. They also shared a computer, and while logged on under her profile, it appears the girlfriend researched veterinary schools, posted the online diaries and downloaded some Hollywood movies. Rafferty’s profile, on the other hand, was used to access an enormous amount of child .

After they broke up, computer records show he began searching for massage parlours and escort websites.

He then flooded the social networking and dating websites, setting up profiles and writing out long descriptions of himself, replete with misspellings, often proclaiming to value friendship above all else and describing himself as a hopeless romantic who wore his heart on his sleeve.


LONG ARTICLE but well worth the read.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...ynne-mcclintic-met-depraved-michael-rafferty/

 

[swedie]

Oh, I don't know. Russ might turn Mychol on.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: OMG too funny! AND the serious expressions of his face...sick B@ST@RD! Yes and I'm sure RW will be turned on by Mychol's distinctive lisp also. "Russ Honey, *clicks tongue* I think you should try on the white or black coat, the business type ones. I like the way they sway in the wind when you walk Sugar Cakes."

The two of them will be so totally screwed up on what role to play as they both enjoy or have feminine traits or sick desires for women's paraphernalia, but are obviously both male. Whatever, let them fight it out between the two of them. Man I would love to be a cockroach in their prison ward. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[flipflop]

Oh, I totally agree. It's not that I want or need to hear the stories... my curiosity is more about whether there were signs. I think it just freaks me out to think that there can be all of this evil lurking under the surface of people that just seem relatively normal... It's hard not to think about when you spend time reading about such a violent and sad case.

RW is a good example of hiding the face of evil. No one suspected him to do anything close to the crimes that he did commit. Im sure there are several more out there....scary world we live in.

 

[CarrieBean]

http://updatednews.ca/2012/05/16/canadas-butterfly-migration-is-largest-on-record/

"The explosion in butterfly populations is mostly due to the warm weather this winter throughout North America. It caused butterflies to emerge from their overwintering forms in places like Texas and Florida sooner, and then improved their survival rates as they headed north.

The first local butterflies (ones that overwinter in Canada) were seen as early as March — “damned peculiar,” Kerr said —and southern Ontario was hit by its first big wave of migratory butterflies in mid-April, thanks in part to strong winds."

A second wave arrived in early May, boosting the diversity in southern Ontario


I like to believe they came for Tori

Thanks for the article. I couldn't believe how many butterflies I saw last weekend. It made me think about Tori as well.

 

[CarrieBean]

if we don't wanna discuss the DP then we have to leave him out because in the last posted shows/reports from him here in this thread he seems to support the petition.
That's the reason why I had to say something about it too. Otherwise I am having the feeling to unwillingly agree on this matter.
Hard to explain it's simply that it bothers the hack out of me to listen or to read about it. ...and then not having the chance to respond :maddening:

Was that the only part of the interview that stuck out to you?

The interview with Charles Adler gave Rodney and his Mother the chance to explain what they were feeling, no holds barred. It's something they deserved. I appreciate that.

 

[swedie]

This guy sounds like a perfect roomie don't ya think?illowfight:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-29/news/30456555_1_serial-killer-life-sentence-cellmate

Let Michael Wayne McG roam about the halls chatting it up with the lifers just for the fun of it. They could let him be a guard in the segregation ward. Anyone gets out of hand, Mr. McG will pay you a special visit.

IMHO CP is too easy; done and over with. Nothing to be remorseful about then. By the time lifers waste so much money, appeal after appeal after appeal, that's a huge waste. I say take away all their unnecessary items such as TV, computers, game systems ect. Leave them with only a radio. That is all they need to keep track of what they are missing on the outside of prison walls. Leave them alone with their hideous thoughts of what their life has amounted to for a few hours of sick demonic fantasies. MOO

 

[Flowercb]

I haven't read all of this book yet, but so far, it is good reading...

It is called:

"the sociopath next door"

The author is Martha Stout, ph.d.

This passage is written on the cover:

"1 in 25 ordinary Americans secretly has no conscience and can do anything at all without feeling guilty. Who is the devil you know?"

I'm going to put a hold on this book at the library, but what will the librarian think of me? There you go, I am normal as I am worrying about what the librarian is going to think, sociopaths don't care what anyone thinks.

Here is a link giving a really good description of the contents of the book.
http://www.bookslut.com/scarlet_woman_of_selfhelp/2005_03_004676.php

Thanks for the recommendation Roseofsharon.

 

[CarrieBean]

Woah! I've not heard of some of these details before. Her mother's boyfriend threatened to slit TLM's throat? CM and TLM were shacked up with him? :what:

Snipped for space.

Wow, it's no wonder she's so messed up. CAS sure dropped the ball on that one.

Him...was he just born evil?