5/15/2012--Sentencing

[Sillybilly]

There are some rumours from the early days of this forum that we are not allowed to discuss here as per WS policy and probably some potential legal repurcussions.

Those who were privy to them have not forgotten them

 

[brighidin]

There was no confession in this case. Of the two parties involved in the abduction, rape and mruder of Victoria, one confessed and the male co-conspirator pretended that he was innocent. The jury found him guilty. When it came down to it, they both admitted participation in the crime, but Raferty claims that he was an innocent bystander. That's simplly not true.

Rumours have to be validated within the context of the evidence. Evidence is that Rafferty woke up at home and played the oblivious duffus that morning and for a few weeks until his arrest.

I wasn't making a comparison between the cases.

 

[littlebirdie]

craziladi, I will be in Ontario for a period of time this year and I am going to visit Tori's gravesite. Which cemetary in Woodstock is Tori's grave in and whereabouts within the cemetary?

 

[littlebirdie]

There are some rumours from the early days of this forum that we are not allowed to discuss here as per WS policy and probably some potential legal repurcussions.

Those who were privy to them have not forgotten them

sillybilly, can I ask you what kind of rumours are allowed and what type are not allowed? I have followed Tori's case from day one but did not discover WS right away and so I was not privy to whatever the heck was discussed I guess. Some posters have said if the message is prefaced with the word "rumour" that it is okay and there are some, such as yourself that are stating differently. Feels like talking in circles and gives this birdie a bird brain! :waitasec:

 

[brighidin]

I really dont think its wise that I repeat what was heard I hope you all understand. It has to be the truth as the one person was really pissed that the guy was telling us. Somethings just dont add up and I truly believe we only got part of the story so that MR could be nailed for his part of this sick twisted fantasy.

Again I am sorry I really think eventually it will come out.

Sounds like BS on their part (not on yours!!!)

Some randown stranger who conveniently befriended Tori's family during the trial has some key evidence that no one brought up at the trial but is so useful that it might possibly get MR an appeal. Evidence that the trial was a set up to frame MR (see bolded; that is how I am interpreting this statement)?? Naw, I don't think so.

As we know, there have been myriad attempts to blame a number of parties (Tara, bikers, TLM only, James, the list goes on)for this crime. MR has a lot of supporters in many places. Why? I don't know. I have never understood it, but they have been around - online and IRL - since he was arrested. I suspect that the people you talked to fall into that category.

In any case, it is against the TOS to say you know something but can't say it. It is called baiting. I do not want you to get a time out, so I just wanted to alert you to that!!

 

[Sillybilly]

sillybilly, can I ask you what kind of rumours are allowed and what type are not allowed? I have followed Tori's case from day one but did not discover WS right away and so I was not privy to whatever the heck was discussed I guess. Some posters have said if the message is prefaced with the word "rumour" that it is okay and there are some, such as yourself that are stating differently. Feels like talking in circles and gives this birdie a bird brain! :waitasec:

It's muddy waters littlebirdie. Maybe a mod or another poster can clarify it better. IIRC, in the early days, we had a thread in the "Parking Lot" (WS members only) where it was okay to discuss rumours and theories based on those rumours, but not in the main threads that can be viewed by the general public.

Some rumours were in the MSM from early on (i.e. the drug debt), other rumours that appear to be fact were not in the recent MSM (probably not discussed by MSM for good reason, 'cuz we know they LOVE a story !!). MTR made reference to it in his interrogation, but IMO continuing to republish the specific rumour/fact probably borders on slander / character assassination and opens people up to legal action. It possibly also has the potential to revictimize the victim's family.

I know ... clear as mud, but the best i can do on the board without spelling it out. Arghhh

HTH

 

[crazyladi]

craziladi, I will be in Ontario for a period of time this year and I am going to visit Tori's gravesite. Which cemetary in Woodstock is Tori's grave in and whereabouts within the cemetary?

Oxford Memorial on Dundas. When you pull in keep to the right around the bent and she is on the right hand side you wont be able to miss it.

 

[JayFriend]

It wasnt to set MR up to frame him it was to make sure he got the sentence he deserved.

There are many ways to skin a cat, so long as justice is done. Let's hope that when people write books and make TV shows about this down the road.they get their facts straight.

 

[crazyladi]

I thought that it was really cool that all the bikers showed support by putting purple balloons on the back of their bikes and rode around the town with them on.

The guy hosting sang a beautiful song dedicated to Tori and it was really nice. They gave Tara, daryn and Rodney a copy of the CD.

The young girl that arranged this I think was the same person that made all of those purple butterlies that were all around town and on peoples doors.

It was a lot to get together as the speaker said in less than 72 hours and it went on without a hitch.

They had face painting for the kids, balloons for everyone and even some that were passing out candles for those that didnt have any.

I didnt see Rodney much last night because I think he was on the opposite side of where we were standing.

Tara, James and their friends were in front of us.

Everyone in that that town are very nice and friendly. It seems like a very nice place to live. Everyone came together and it was pretty awesome when the balloons where released.

Her Grave site was full of butterlies, flowers and candles. It was a very beautiful stone.

The stone has Victorias name engraved in her own writing. I really thought that was nice.

Anyways I will try to post pictures if I can but where I was standing I was getting a lot of shade on my pictures.

 

[JayFriend]

Nice story and video here on CTV about the candlelight vigil. It's amazing that a teenage Facebooker put this together.

http://regina.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...tafford-woodstock-120519/20120519/?hub=Regina

 

[Salem]

I am certain it cant be said because of the appeal if he is granted one

crazyladi - are you saying that you believe the info is part of the publication ban? At this point the publication ban is lifted and all information can be released as far as I know. I have heard nothing about a continuing pub. ban.

Salem

ETA: If you can't talk about it, or are not willing to talk about it, please don't post about it. It makes everyone wonder and speculate and derails the thread. Thanks!

 

[Oldsoul2]

crazyladi - are you saying that you believe the info is part of the publication ban? At this point the publication ban is lifted and all information can be released as far as I know. I have heard nothing about a continuing pub. ban.

Salem

ETA: If you can't talk about it, or are not willing to talk about it, please don't post about it. It makes everyone wonder and speculate and derails the thread. Thanks!

So...there it is, no publication ban , both are in prison, trial is over and even if MR decides to appeal it, which we could probably speculate correctly that he will, it is not going to make a difference what rumors are swirling, they are swirling anyway and people aren't convicted nor are cases overturned because of them so are you going to post it?

 

[paris_paris]

... so are you going to post it?

Not likely, as most of the posts have been edited/deleted/modded.

 

[littlebirdie]

It's muddy waters littlebirdie. Maybe a mod or another poster can clarify it better. IIRC, in the early days, we had a thread in the "Parking Lot" (WS members only) where it was okay to discuss rumours and theories based on those rumours, but not in the main threads that can be viewed by the general public.

Some rumours were in the MSM from early on (i.e. the drug debt), other rumours that appear to be fact were not in the recent MSM (probably not discussed by MSM for good reason, 'cuz we know they LOVE a story !!). MTR made reference to it in his interrogation, but IMO continuing to republish the specific rumour/fact probably borders on slander / character assassination and opens people up to legal action. It possibly also has the potential to revictimize the victim's family.

I know ... clear as mud, but the best i can do on the board without spelling it out. Arghhh

HTH

Thank you sillybilly. You've navigated the muddy waters quite well as I do believe I comprehend what it is you are saying without actually 'saying' it. Argghh, to be a sleuther! No matter, so glad I found this great site with such terrific company.

 

[Tahorn]

This beautiful little girl captured the heart of an entire nation. Not because of anything she did but because of everything she will never be able to do. We know the two who from now on should remain nameless decided in a moment that it was a good idea to torture her and steal her life for nothing more then a thrill. The jury decided they were guilty, the judge classified them as monsters, the people of Canada sentenced them to life. Life, 25 years ... Maybe 50 years ago but know it is no more then a blimp in our life spans. Maybe just maybe Victorias life will be forever remembered as the little girl who changed our laws regarding those who hunt our children.

RIP sweet girl, may your story, your truth bring the change.

 

[swedie]

I believe in the memorial vigil the reporter claims RS hadn't been to Tori's resting place much or something like that. I found this article and there are others which report much the same as this one. RS went daily after court to Tori's graveside.

Each day after the trial was over Rodney Stafford and his family would drive out here to the cemetery and visit Tori's grave. A stone angel is perched atop the headstone, which is surrounded by flowers and pinwheels in her favourite colour — purple. Etched into the stone is a picture of Tori's smiling face as it was in the last photo taken of her, on school picture day, the day before she was murdered.

"Basically that's all we did through the trial was come out at the end of each day just say, 'Hey we're this much further, we're this close,'" Stafford says, standing at the foot of his daughter's grave.

"It was definitely nice to come out and say, 'We got all the guilty's.' That smile right there is worth it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/16/michael-rafferty-tori-stafford-rodney_n_1520179.html

Hi Crazyladi, about what you heard; first off does it make sense, is it feasible? Does it make sense as to MR's cell phone pings, TLM's testimony, MR's timeline of where he was within a day or two or more after April 8th, 2009. Does it fit TLM's timeline considering she was arrested April 11th, 2009, three days after the murder of Tori? We know Tori was abducted by TLM, at 3:32pm, taken to MR's car waiting in the nursing home parking lot. The three then traveled to Mount Forest according to MR's cell pings, we know they made stops along the way to pick up drugs, murder weapon and garbage bags, TH, ATM. We know they were back on the road heading back to Woodstock around 7:42pm IIRC. We know they were the only two involved. We know Tori's dead body was left under heavy rocks approximately four hours after TLM walked away with her from OSPS. We know Tori was not abducted because of a drug debt but to satisfy MR sick, sexually perverted mind. TLM's statement lines up with all the evidence presented by the Crown. So with all we do know, what could possibly be so upsetting that didn't come out in court? If it was anything which could have helped MR and getting off the charges, one would think his defense would have brought it out or he would have taken the stand to profess anything to help himself. I'm sure we're going to hear all kinds of rumours now with the trial being over, but we must ask ourselves, "is it even possible?". I also have heard some rumours but have chalked them up to just that...rumours because they don't line up with the evidence. HTH and MOO. BTW sorry that what you have heard has made you upset. I hope you can sort it out and feel better soon Dear.:therethere::blowkiss:

 

[maxfactor]

This is a pic taken at the vigil and posted on the Sentinel Review FB page. Can you see the butterfly?

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...89689335_289843009334_9809465_192258452_n.jpg

 

[Wondergirl]

This video shows a couple of shots from the vigil.

Hundreds gather for vigil - YouTube

Then there is this photo

Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.

Rafferty was not just a pedophile murderer, he was a sadist too.

How cruel are you to stand amongst all these people worried for Victoria, and pretend to be one of them, knowing she was sexually assaulted and dead at your own hands?

Sick.

 

[~n/t~]

Do we really? Some reason I just dont think we do. I dont know why I just feel this way. None of the case made any sense at all, bizarre and out there when it came to all the key players.

I really dont know what to think anymore.

Just curious. Why are you doubting the case? Who do you mean by key players?

Considering poor Tori was found months later, her story could still be told and I think the Crown presented it as close to the truth as possible based on evidence.

I'm just hoping people aren't running with the child killer's last statement to Tara thinking there is more to Tori's story. There is not. If people think there is more, I guess he achieved his goal.

I hope and pray Tara, Rodney and everyone else can move on and not give this psychopathic killer anymore attention. He doesn't deserve it. He is where he belongs and hopefully for a very long time. Then he can rot in hell.

 

[nettie_82]

Do we really? Some reason I just dont think we do. I dont know why I just feel this way. None of the case made any sense at all, bizarre and out there when it came to all the key players.

I really dont know what to think anymore.

So I read the posts here over the weekend, however, I didn't want to post right away. I wanted to take some time and think about things. My first gut instinct wanted to ask you exactly what you heard, then the more I thought about things the more I believe I don't need to know every sordid detail about the crime, every rumour, etc. My thoughts are this. As long as the two players responsible for Tori's death are in jail and being held accountable that is good enough for me. If this speculation would have changed the outcome of the trial that is the only way it matters to me. I believe MR stated in his last statement before the court that he is indeed part of the reason Tori is no longer on this earth, therefore, he is where he belongs. TLM confessed to the crime, so she is also where she belongs. If there were more people responsible I honestly believe if Tara and Rodney had any clue as to this, they would be making it their mission to ensure they are brought to justice also. If it is only a detail of the already twisted crime, IMO, it needs to just be let go. We need to let this family move on and let Tori RIP. With every bone in my body I believe Tori was behind the jurors in that deliberation room making sure they saw the evidence for what it was to ensure justice was served. Point A was Tori leaving school, point B was her final resting place, what happened in between there, and exactly all the details of how she got from point A to point B don't really matter, only that the proper people responsible for this are held accountable for their actions.

All this JMO, and I hope none of it goes against TOS here and WS, if it does, by all means mods delete my post.