5/15/2012--Sentencing

[Jezbel]

thanks you for posting the pictures and videos CL, it seems as though it was a beautiful vigil for Tori

 

[Flowercb]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...onal+Post+-+Top+Stories)&utm_content=My+Yahoo

after so many years. That is simply amazing.

One more question. Does anybody else receive PM's from people that believe in MTR's innocents?

"On May 25, 1979, Patz’s parents allowed the boy to make his first unaccompanied trip to the bus stop two blocks away. They never saw him again."

The first time was the last time for both Tori and Etan.

 

[Flowercb]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...onal+Post+-+Top+Stories)&utm_content=My+Yahoo

after so many years. That is simply amazing.

One more question. Does anybody else receive PM's from people that believe in MTR's innocents?

No, I don't get PM's from people believing he is innocent--why have they chosen some people. Maybe they are targetting those who were on the fence earlier on and changed their minds? Could his family or friends be on here? There probably is no way of knowing that. I can't see anyone else believing he is innocent. Just because MTR says he didn't do it doesn't mean he didn't, it means he is a psychopath--he is a classic example. Tara knows this too, that's why she didn't fall for his bait when he said he would fill in the missing puzzle pieces for her. MOO.

 

[crazyladi]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...onal+Post+-+Top+Stories)&utm_content=My+Yahoo

after so many years. That is simply amazing.

One more question. Does anybody else receive PM's from people that believe in MTR's innocents?

Amazing I am so happy. I always go one there looking to see if there are more leads. The parents have never moved just in case he ever came home he would know where to find them. So sad yet I really hope the loser tells them what happened and where the body is. 33 yrs of endless pain waiting for him to come home.


Oops didnt see that there was more to the article.. I got the information now

 

[crazyladi]

Yodi are you getting emails of his innocence? That would be weird. However rumor or not I did hear that inside the courthouse there was some girls there standing by him saying he was innocent. Can anyone that went confirm this?

 

[BorgQueen]

It was a pm with an article about Steven Truscott. Somebody who got life and was innocent. I received it yesterday right after I posted the article about MTR from the Star. User name unknown to me.

Strange.:hills:

:what:
If the messages become harassing, report them.

There is no reason to be sending people private messages like that. Why can't it be said in public?

No matter, as I said, if the messages become a problem, block them and/or report the user. Not sure how that works, never received a pm before

 

[BorgQueen]

lol was just trying to sent you one well that doesn't work because you blocked this function.
Anyhow thanks for the advice. Should I get any more nonsense I will block it.

Not sure why I had that disabled, re-enabled it. :woohoo:
Don't want to block everybody.

 

[crazyladi]

:what:
If the messages become harassing, report them.

There is no reason to be sending people private messages like that. Why can't it be said in public?

No matter, as I said, if the messages become a problem, block them and/or report the user. Not sure how that works, never received a pm before

For sure report it, that is so weird

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...onal+Post+-+Top+Stories)&utm_content=My+Yahoo

after so many years. That is simply amazing.

One more question. Does anybody else receive PM's from people that believe in MTR's innocents?

You are obviously referring to me. However, I have never ever stated that I believe in MR's innocence (since that simply would not be true and I have, in fact, posted the opposite previously when asked) and I resent that you would presume to know any such thing about my thoughts. Believing in the right to a fair trial is not the same as believing someone is innocent.

The reason I thought you might be interested in the article had nothing to do with him being wrongfully convicted. It was in reference to the death penalty, and the reason I sent it privately, is because the death penalty apparently is not up for discussion on this forum. I just happen to share your views of Charles Adler.

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my message, but had to leave in a hurry last night. Likewise, if you didn't understand my reason, a private reply to me and I could have cleared it up. Since instead, you have chosen to take it publicly, I will reply to you in the same manner. Contrary to your thoughts, people often message each other with things that they prefer not to post on the public board, hence why there is a private message function in the forum.

I apologize for not knowing that you do not want private messages from other members and can assure you that it will not happen again from me. Perhaps you should disable that option in your settings so that you do not receive unwanted messages from other members in the future.

JMO

 

[maxfactor]

Yodi are you getting emails of his innocence? That would be weird. However rumor or not I did hear that inside the courthouse there was some girls there standing by him saying he was innocent. Can anyone that went confirm this?

Sadly I think there will be women who he has manipulated enough that they will support him and come to visit him.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I was never on the :fence: with MTR. This guy was guilty for me from the 1st second. Means: It doesn't make sence to sent me innocent nonsense about him because nobody will ever change my mind. Guilty, done and see ya :jail:

Since I didn't send you anything about MR at all, let alone any "innocent nonsense" about him, perhaps you have my message confused with one you received from someone else????

 

[swedie]

Here are some videos, I was holding some things so my hand isnt as steady as it should have been LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLwlZX5hq8Q&feature=channel&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2owejGfCs&feature=channel&list=UL

Beautiful! Thank you CL for posting the pictures and videos of Tori's vigil. I love the part where the purple balloons where released and the doves. Very touching. :blowkiss:

 

[swedie]

Sadly I think there will be women who he has manipulated enough that they will support him and come to visit him.

Max if you go back to post 858, the interview with Dirk and around 17:20 Dirk states MR has not had a substantial support system. :woohoo::woohoo: Hopefully no one goes to visit this sicko. I sure hope all the women who were involved with him realize they fell victim to his sick mind and want absolutely nothing to do with him. Afterall he's gotten quiet fat and ugly over the past three years while incarcerated. Not that I ever though he was anything to look at before, he certainly hasn't gotten any cuter over the last three years. :floorlaugh:

I know someone who was attending the trial, she said he looked awful; very ghaunt/grey/pasty skin, she referred to his appearance as a walking corpse. She said his weight gain was pretty substantial where his face pretty much blends into his neck. I guess that's to be expected due to lack of sunshine, fresh air, exercise, fatty, starchy foods they are fed in prison and being confined to a cell 23 hours a day. He's right where her belongs and hopefully until the day he dies. HTH and :moo:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thank you for lifting the mystery. It would be indead a good idea to be more explicit in your messages so people undertand where you're coming from.
Anyhow: Have a great day

No problem. Had I known there was a mystery, I could have solved it for you, rather than have all the public incorrect assumptions being made. I will take it as a lesson well learned that private doesn't always mean private.

You have a good day too.

 

[swedie]

I've wondered if there is any initiation ritual for new pervs and pedos welcoming them into their new homes. Someone on a talk radio show, a while back shortly after RW was sentenced, suggested the guards should hype these guys up on Viagra and chain them to their cots and watch them squirm. :what: :chillout: :moo:

 

[Salem]

A couple notes for everyone: The astrology thread may be linked here. It may not be discussed, but it can be linked. Hope that helps.

Also - it is against TOS to discuss private messages in the open threads. It is against TOS to ask for or tell someone that you PM'd them and it is a SERIOUS VIOLATION to post information received in a PM on the threads.

When a poster receives a pm that they are uncomfortable with for any reason - that poster may pm a mod and include the pm message and the mods will take it from there. If the poster does not feel like it warrants mod involvement, that's fine, they may deal with it privately. BUT WHAT THEY CANNOT DO IS POST IT ON THE THREAD.

I am a bit disappointed to find a discussion of private messages on this thread approximatley 5 pages back, and no one ALERTED it? What if you found your private message in the open threads? Would you alert then?

Just sayin'

Anymore discussion of private messages in this thread will earn the poster a long TO. Don't do it. If you have any questions, pm me or any other mod and we will help you out.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[swedie]

You are obviously referring to me. However, I have never ever stated that I believe in MR's innocence (since that simply would not be true and I have, in fact, posted the opposite previously when asked) and I resent that you would presume to know any such thing about my thoughts. Believing in the right to a fair trial is not the same as believing someone is innocent.

The reason I thought you might be interested in the article had nothing to do with him being wrongfully convicted. It was in reference to the death penalty, and the reason I sent it privately, is because the death penalty apparently is not up for discussion on this forum. I just happen to share your views of Charles Adler.

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my message, but had to leave in a hurry last night. Likewise, if you didn't understand my reason, a private reply to me and I could have cleared it up. Since instead, you have chosen to take it publicly, I will reply to you in the same manner. Contrary to your thoughts, people often message each other with things that they prefer not to post on the public board, hence why there is a private message function in the forum.

I apologize for not knowing that you do not want private messages from other members and can assure you that it will not happen again from me. Perhaps you should disable that option in your settings so that you do not receive unwanted messages from other members in the future.

JMO

Hi Alethea! :seeya: My bolded part above; so do you believe MR didn't get a fair trial? We now know Steven T did not get a fair trial and have learnt of the reasons and multiple mistakes. Just curious "if" you feel this way and what your reasons might be. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Hi Alethea! :seeya: My bolded part above; so do you believe MR didn't get a fair trial? We now know Steven T did not get a fair trial and have learnt of the reasons and multiple mistakes. Just curious "if" you feel this way and what your reasons might be. MOO.

Actually, I believe he DID get a very fair trial. I think the judge made the right decisions and I think he had a very good lawyer defending him. The only grounds I can think of that he would ever get an appeal would be maybe the location, and that's iffy. He didn't want the trial in London because of the proximity to Woodstock and, perhaps, it would have been better suited somewhere further or somewhere larger and less connected. Do I think the end result would have been different had he been given a different location? No, personally, I think the result would have been the same.

 

[Mystic]

I don't think an appeal regarding location will fly. I was told long ago how this city is often chosen as a testing site for companies etc.. which also includes Gov't programs due to it's demagraphics. I quickly googled for an article and the best I could find is below. I sorta think had this trial been in Toronto.. the Jury would have probably come back sooner with the same verdict. moo

I agree with you that he got a fair trial.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/11/03/18922301.html

Hardy said London has been used as a test market for consumer products for about 50 years.

In the early days, companies wanting to try out new products were lured by the city's relative media isolation, allowing them to create a message for a core audience who would test the products.

"That's probably no longer true," Hardy said of the isolation. But what still holds is the city as a snapshot of the country. "London has always been fairly representative in terms of age and basic demographics of Canada."

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[swedie]

Actually, I believe he DID get a very fair trial. I think the judge made the right decisions and I think he had a very good lawyer defending him. The only grounds I can think of that he would ever get an appeal would be maybe the location, and that's iffy. He didn't want the trial in London because of the proximity to Woodstock and, perhaps, it would have been better suited somewhere further or somewhere larger and less connected. Do I think the end result would have been different had he been given a different location? No, personally, I think the result would have been the same.

I totally agree with you MR did get a very fair trial. Yes although it was the judges decision to hold it in London, Derstine and MR would have been in argeement to location so I cannot foresee an appeal being filed on the location factor. If that is his reason, I'm sure he will be denied. It is going to be very difficult for MR to come up with a reason for appeal. I bet my last red cent this is why Judge Heeney made the decision he did about keeping the laptop and computer evidence out; he didn't want it to come back as an excuse for an appeal. I feel the judge knew with all the other damaging evidence presented by the Crown, he was confident the jurors would make the right decision. :moo:

Michael Rafferty leaves the Oxford County Courthouse Monday afternoon after making an appearance where his change of venue request was granted.

The decision by Justice Thomas Heeney in the change-of-venue application was released Friday, confirming Rafferty, who is accused of kidnapping and murdering eight-year-old Victoria "Tori" Stafford, will have his trial moved from Woodstock.

Changes of venue are typically requested by the defence if there's a fear that a fair trial would be unfeasible in the home jursidictions. The judge's ruling meant Heeney believes Rafferty will be able to receive a fair trial in London.

http://www.woodstocksentinelreview.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3006597&archive=true

Superior Court Justice Thomas Heeney rejected any suggestion Rafferty could not get a fair trial in London because of pre-trial publicity.

"There is no doubt that the abduction and disappearance of Tori Stafford received a great deal of publicity in the media, as did the search for and ultimate discovery of her body," Heeney noted in his decision.

"However, it received wide publicity not just in the Woodstock or London area, but throughout Ontario and the rest of Canada. Indeed, it received international attention."

The judge also ruled that there was no proof that broad segments of the population held hostile attitudes toward Rafferty.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2011/03/04/17499721.html

Just in case anyone is wondering, it is the norm that Derstine would not handle an appeal for MR. Mistrial yes, but not an appeal. A mistrial would have to be called during the trial, not after. MR is going to have to find himself a new friend should he appeal. AND he better make it a good one. Personally I don't think it will do him any good to appeal on any grounds. :moo: