50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #5

[believe09]

This is such good news! Thanks for keeping us up to date believe09! :blowkiss:

You are so welcome, friend-thank you for your continued support of Mr. Kyle!:blowkiss:

 

[dreamweaver]

I spoke with Mr. Kyle recently and he told me two big things-

1.) there may be a documentary shot in the next few months regarding him and his struggle-he and NB are in the early stages of working out the details with the filmakers.

2.) There will be another article featured in the Wichita Eagle regarding him and the forensic geneaolgy findings to date.

I will post more info as I receive it!!!
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

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YAY!!
Documentary done by ?
Wichita Eagle? Because of the Kansas connection?

He gets closer and closer to finding his real name/identity.

Thank you, believe09.

:blowkiss:

 

[believe09]

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YAY!!
Documentary done by ?
Wichita Eagle? Because of the Kansas connection?

He gets closer and closer to finding his real name/identity.

Thank you, believe09.

:blowkiss:

He could not share much about the documentary simply because if you are at all familiar with the competitive world of movie production, people treat the early details like it is a diagram for the atom bomb....there is much that is hush hush while papers are being signed and money being accumulated to fund the concept.

You nailed the motivation for the Wichita location-:blowkiss:

 

[Cubby]

I wasn't sure where to post this. Here, or the 'work related' thread, but thought here would be better due to some of the general nature of my thoughts.

I've given quite a bit of consideration on how to utilize my 'contacts' in the Food Service industry regarding getting Mr. Kyles info out to those in the industry and public, and would like some feedback on the following thoughts -or- other idea's suggestions when I make contact. I want to make the most of the potential opportunity with this contact.

Given the time frame of his memories, I think it is excellent to 'key in' on those area's, however with as much time as has passed, it's likely many of those he may have once worked with have quite possibly relocated, retired, moved onto other companies, or other area's within the industries. Because of this, I think it is most important to do whatever we can to get Mr. Kyles information out nationally to the higher ups in the industry who would quite possibly have 'ties' to others within different fields in the industry. I think this would gain the most exposure for Mr. Kyle. I'm also hoping 'retiries' with a strong bond to the industry would still read about industry news - possibly getting his story out to them too.

What I would like to see happen:

1)Get his info, even a quarter page size 'donated' in the ad space area's of the major industry magazines and news letters. I am hoping my contact in the disposable paper and plastic industry, along with his brother- who I just remembered is/was a head chef in an upperscale Chicago area restaurant, can help provide a list of the leading magazines and newsletters in the industry. I would like to see this in both paper and online area's for these magazines and news letters. This would also include NRA, National Restaurant Association, CRA, Colorado restaurant association, and the state restaurant associations for the list of possible states we believe Mr. Kyle may be associated with.

2)Has anyone considered adding Mr. Kyles story to the CNN 'ireport' available online? I do not have an account to add his story, but perhaps one of you with journalistic talent might consider opening an account and writing a story for the ireport? If I understand how the ireport works correctly, there is a chance CNN or HLN may pick up his story and air it nationally. (which would be great!) and the use of the 'tag' feature somehow adds the story to other blogs? Am I understanding this 'chain of events' with ireport and tags correctly?

ETA: or with permission, submit the news articles which have already made local news in Indy, Savaanah, and Colorado, to the ireport. Maybe a combo or edit of the wiki page for ireport?

Those are the two idea's I have now, in addition to whats already being done. Unfortunately, I am still working on a 'broken' computer which limits my ability to do some of this work myself, so for those area's I can't access from my computer, I would like to ask for assistance - if that is ok.

There are also a few other sites I have found via searches, which I was unable to access, or request/submit info regarding Mr. Kyle- due to the computer problems. I would like to, if it is ok, submit these here and ask others to give it a shot. I'd have to look again, but one of them was a 'lost and found' in the industry news. Kind of a thing, where if someone lost contact with "John Smith who used to work for ABC food supply, where are they now? The site owner has followed up with locating some of these 'lost contacts'. Perhaps he or she would too be willing to add Mr. Kyles info to locate someone who may remember working or associating with him in the bus.

Thoughts? Yay, nay?

Thanks!
Cubby

 

[Cubby]

Can't sleep, so up out of bed and back to the computer.

When I speak to the VP for the Disposable paper, plastics, and janitorial supplies 're-d', I am also going to request they add something to their 'monthly specials' regarding Mr. Kyle. It's been a great many years, more than 10, so I am uncertain whether they still put out a paper mailer, or the specials are only available online, either way, if he agrees, this will get Mr. Kyle's story out to distributors in this area of the restaurant industry. I'm hoping they will agree, especially if they can write it off somehow as a charitable donation. (I'm unsure if they can- but worth looking into- does anyone know?).

It might be a great resource to request as well, with those who have 'contacts' in the food and equipment area's of the business. Particularly those suppliers we know include the locations Mr. Kyle is familiar with. Perhaps a list of suppliers of food and equipment in Colorado, or covering Colorado in their market might be a good idea? We can make that request to them, and update if they agree and get the info out?

I'm going to present this as a 'community service'/'goodwill' - sort of thing because of Mr. Kyles knowledge of the industry. Pray it's a go! I think it would be a great avenue for Mr. Kyle.

Thoughts?

Thank you.
Cubby

 

[Micheline]

Hi to all.

I have a question about Benjaman Kyle.
When he was found back in 2004 would there not be several aspects that could indicate more about his identity?

By this I mean, did he have long hair or was his hair clean cut, did he have a barbe or was he shaved, how about his teeth and nails those sort of things.

In order for the police to think he was a homeless man, would they not if he was well groomed realise he was not a homeless man?

I also read he was legally blind and could not see himself till he had surgery, does that not indicate that maybe he had suffered memory loss for even much longer then since he was found, if he could not see he may not have been working, but he must have stayed somewhere not being able to see for quite some time then?

I had never heard about him prior, I did see there was a lot of discussion about him here and people trying to help him which is great, I hope someone is willing to fill me in about more details of how he was found.

He did say he was In Georgia because he wanted to see the sea, does that mean he knew why he was there or was he referring to why he continued to stay in Georgia? TIA

 

[believe09]

Hi to all.

I have a question about Benjaman Kyle.
When he was found back in 2004 would there not be several aspects that could indicate more about his identity?

By this I mean, did he have long hair or was his hair clean cut, did he have a barbe or was he shaved, how about his teeth and nails those sort of things.

In order for the police to think he was a homeless man, would they not if he was well groomed realise he was not a homeless man?

I also read he was legally blind and could not see himself till he had surgery, does that not indicate that maybe he had suffered memory loss for even much longer then since he was found, if he could not see he may not have been working, but he must have stayed somewhere not being able to see for quite some time then?

I had never heard about him prior, I did see there was a lot of discussion about him here and people trying to help him which is great, I hope someone is willing to fill me in about more details of how he was found.

He did say he was In Georgia because he wanted to see the sea, does that mean he knew why he was there or was he referring to why he continued to stay in Georgia? TIA

Welcome!!!

there are not any photos of him from when he was rescued because the responders did not believe a crime had been committed until sometime after he arrived in the ER. There was an incident report written up that is sparse so there is no description of him beyond what has been reported...no hair length etc.

His tox screens were clean and when he began to speak my understanding is that the realization hit the staff that he was unlikely a "bum" but more likely an assault victim.

Memory issues and vision issues prior to the assault could very well have been a part of his life, but it is tough to say given the fact that he remembers little of his first month in the hospital or the previous 15-20 years....most of his recollections even now are from the 80's or earlier.

What interests me about his statement that he thinks he was in GA to view the sea is that it is a faster flight to the West Coast from Denver and the alternative name of the hwy where he was found is Ocean Hwy IIRC.

I hope this helps and keep the ideas flowing!!

 

[DotsEyes]

Benjaman believes he was raised Catholic and knows of 2 states where he believes he lived, Indiana and Colorado. If he remembers being Catholic, then he attended Mass and/or a Catholic school or could have been raised in a Catholic Orphanage. There is a finite number of Catholic Churches in both states. For example, Indianapolis has about 33 Catholic Churches.

What if we each took a city in one of the states and sent a BK flyer with information to all the Catholic Churches to be placed on the church bulletin board in the vestibule? Someone may recognize him or the family resemblance.

I am willing to take Indianapolis, but I think this should be an all out effort with the letters going out en masse to the Churches.

Anyone else? Can we organize this?

 

[dreamweaver]

Benjaman believes he was raised Catholic and knows of 2 states where he believes he lived, Indiana and Colorado. If he remembers being Catholic, then he attended Mass and/or a Catholic school or could have been raised in a Catholic Orphanage. There is a finite number of Catholic Churches in both states. For example, Indianapolis has about 33 Catholic Churches.

What if we each took a city in one of the states and sent a BK flyer with information to all the Catholic Churches to be placed on the church bulletin board in the vestibule? Someone may recognize him or the family resemblance.

I am willing to take Indianapolis, but I think this should be an all out effort with the letters going out en masse to the Churches.
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I think this has been done. And I think even FBI or LE have done it, but I should defer to believe09. I think she has the most up to date info.

 

[Cubby]

My honest opinion. And I don't mean to be discouraging, but the memories Mr. Kyle has from Colorado and Indiana are quite some time ago. Even if he went to Catholic grammer school, he would have likely finished the 8th grade in 1962 if his birth year is actually 1948. I didn't get the impression he actively participated in the Catholic faith as an adult. - so trying to find someone who remembers him from say the late 50's through the early 80's is more of a long shot....

It is my opinion, that with his 'visiting the ocean' along the SE area of the country, it is likely he hadn't resided in Colorado at the time he decided to take that trip. He could have lived anywhere, and resided in a number of states prior to being found. Pure speculation, but it is possible he retired early, took a buy out of some kind and went to travel, thus those missing him thought he simply liked where he visited and decided to stay and hoped for contact which they never received. I mean heck, he could have left Denver and lived in Missouri for a decade before traveling SE.

It is my opinion, the very best shot we have to work collectively as a group, is to inundate the food service industry, focusing first on Food and Equipment as he mentioned. (and asking those in the industry to pass his info along to everyone and anyone they know in the industry.)
I know there is no way I can cover every food service industry myself. I know from working in the industry for 7 years, many many people are in it for 15-30+ years. The food service is a for sure- he has that knowledge. I really think that avenue country wide, starting with the area's we know he remembers and his dialect, and working outwards. Otherwise I am afraid it would be looking for info on Mr. Kyles identity from a subway map between brooklyn and queens-so to speak.

hth - thanks. jmo
Cubby

 

[Cubby]

FWIW, legally blind doesn't mean he couldn't see. It could have been his eye sight was poor but he could still see with help. His possibly going without medical attention for his eye sight, imo, further supports my theory that he may have retired early, or taken a buy out of some kind but no longer had medical insurance to get his eye sight corrected. A great many people don't have insurance but get by with poor vision either purchasing reading glasses at Walgreens, or someplace similiar.

jmo of course.

Cubs'

 

[JamesSmith]

Hello Websleuths.com Community!

I'd like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Smith and I am one of the filmmakers who are working on a feature documentary about Benjaman Kyle. I used to work in Hollywood where I first contacted Benjaman while working at a popular daytime talk show. Ever since then I have been in contact with Mr. Kyle and am excited to begin work on a documentary that will raise awareness about Mr. Kyle and also hopefully contribute to his identification. We have been in preproduction planning for about two months now and we will begin shooting initial interviews in August.

We'd like to welcome the Websleuths.com community to help in different ways throughout the process. So please check back often for ways you can help.

First, we'd like to ask for your help naming the documentary. Several names have been tossed around in preproduction meetings, but we thought it would be fun to ask you for help. So, please reply with any names you can think of for the documentary on Mr. Kyle. We look forward to seeing what the community comes up with!

Legal: If we select your name it will become property of the documentary and no compensation will be made for its use.

 

[Micheline]

Welcome!!!

there are not any photos of him from when he was rescued because the responders did not believe a crime had been committed until sometime after he arrived in the ER. There was an incident report written up that is sparse so there is no description of him beyond what has been reported...no hair length etc.

His tox screens were clean and when he began to speak my understanding is that the realization hit the staff that he was unlikely a "bum" but more likely an assault victim.

Memory issues and vision issues prior to the assault could very well have been a part of his life, but it is tough to say given the fact that he remembers little of his first month in the hospital or the previous 15-20 years....most of his recollections even now are from the 80's or earlier.

What interests me about his statement that he thinks he was in GA to view the sea is that it is a faster flight to the West Coast from Denver and the alternative name of the hwy where he was found is Ocean Hwy IIRC.

I hope this helps and keep the ideas flowing!!

Thanks for explaining believe09!

If his hair length was unknown nor if he had a barb would it not be an idea to make a photo shopped pic of him with barb and/or with longer hair?
Maybe people have known him for years with a barb and would not recognize him without it.

If he was legally blind when found and probably had been for sometime he could not have lived on his own, maybe he did have surgery at some point that did not work out and did not try it again, could he have been staying in a center for visually handicapped?

I was also thinking, who ever harmed him and took of his clothes may not want people to find out who he is, if his ID and clothes were taken from him, maybe his hair was cut and maybe his barb shaved, maybe he was left behind in another state on purpose.
Are there listings of people who died on or around the day he was found?
Maybe a life insurance was a motive, so many possibilities, such a strange case.

 

[Fairy1]

Thanks for explaining believe09!

If his hair length was unknown nor if he had a barb would it not be an idea to make a photo shopped pic of him with barb and/or with longer hair?
Maybe people have known him for years with a barb and would not recognize him without it.

If he was legally blind when found and probably had been for sometime he could not have lived on his own, maybe he did have surgery at some point that did not work out and did not try it again, could he have been staying in a center for visually handicapped?

I was also thinking, who ever harmed him and took of his clothes may not want people to find out who he is, if his ID and clothes were taken from him, maybe his hair was cut and maybe his barb shaved, maybe he was left behind in another state on purpose.
Are there listings of people who died on or around the day he was found?
Maybe a life insurance was a motive, so many possibilities, such a strange case.

BBM - I have considered this too Micheline - that the people who would recognize him are the very same people that harmed him. It would certainly explain why no one has come forward or ever reported him as missing. That being said, it seems to me that he still would have had friends, acquaintances or even family members who would have discovered he had disappeared. Unless they were told he had passed away, in which case no one would be looking for him and a story about a man with amnesia wouldn't necessarily peak their interest.

Somewhere on this earth is at least one person who can solve this puzzle!

 

[CrankyPants]

My mom worked at a bank in Denver during the 80s & 90s and had many customers in the restaurant industry that she knew quite well. I've sent her a link to Mr Kyle's info and photo in the off chance she might remember him. She is no longer in the Denver area and likely has not heard the story yet. It's a long shot, but....who knows, right? I will post back if she has any tips/info.

 

[carolwood]

Benjaman believes he was raised Catholic and knows of 2 states where he believes he lived, Indiana and Colorado. If he remembers being Catholic, then he attended Mass and/or a Catholic school or could have been raised in a Catholic Orphanage. There is a finite number of Catholic Churches in both states. For example, Indianapolis has about 33 Catholic Churches.

What if we each took a city in one of the states and sent a BK flyer with information to all the Catholic Churches to be placed on the church bulletin board in the vestibule? Someone may recognize him or the family resemblance.

I am willing to take Indianapolis, but I think this should be an all out effort with the letters going out en masse to the Churches.
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I think this has been done. And I think even FBI or LE have done it, but I should defer to believe09. I think she has the most up to date info.

As for the catholic communities, this has been taken care of. I personally emailed over 1200 emails to Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, and Indiana Catholic Churches, church bulletins, etc. The Indianapolis Diocese is aware of Benjaman. I think they actually appeared on Dr. Phil Show along with Benjaman.

 

[carolwood]

Hello Websleuths.com Community!

I'd like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Smith and I am one of the filmmakers who are working on a feature documentary about Benjaman Kyle. I used to work in Hollywood where I first contacted Benjaman while working at a popular daytime talk show. Ever since then I have been in contact with Mr. Kyle and am excited to begin work on a documentary that will raise awareness about Mr. Kyle and also hopefully contribute to his identification. We have been in preproduction planning for about two months now and we will begin shooting initial interviews in August.

We'd like to welcome the Websleuths.com community to help in different ways throughout the process. So please check back often for ways you can help.

First, we'd like to ask for your help naming the documentary. Several names have been tossed around i n preproduction meetings, but we thought it would be fun to ask you for help. So, please reply with any names you can think of for the documentary on Mr. Kyle. We look forward to seeing what the community comes up with!

Legal: If we select your name it will become property of the documentary and no compensation will be made for its use.

Welcome JAMESSMITH!
I'm one of the amateur genealogists here, and I am presently working the genealogy of the JOSEPH POWELL line. I have quite a bit of information on this line.
I had to literally go thru several hundred pages of the 1870 census, which I just finished to correct mistakes that is on the web. If this is some interest to you, please let me know. I do have one family that left Kentucky and went to Indiana (so far, from the above line).

As for the naming....

AM I A POWELL?

A MAN WITH AMNESIA, RECOGNIZE HIM?

OR MAN WITH AMNESIA, RECOGNIZE HIM?

A MAN WITHOUT A NAME

 

[dreamweaver]

Thanks for explaining believe09!

If his hair length was unknown nor if he had a barb would it not be an idea to make a photo shopped pic of him with barb and/or with longer hair?
Maybe people have known him for years with a barb and would not recognize him without it.

If he was legally blind when found and probably had been for sometime he could not have lived on his own, maybe he did have surgery at some point that did not work out and did not try it again, could he have been staying in a center for visually handicapped?

I was also thinking, who ever harmed him and took of his clothes may not want people to find out who he is, if his ID and clothes were taken from him, maybe his hair was cut and maybe his barb shaved, maybe he was left behind in another state on purpose.
Are there listings of people who died on or around the day he was found?
Maybe a life insurance was a motive, so many possibilities, such a strange case.

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So many possibilities out there.
It was just very recently that I read that BK was legally blind, that the cataracts developed over time, as they usually do.
But, the original medical speculation was that the cataracts developed around the time of his attack, a prolonged exposure to the sun. This has been explored extensively in early posts.

And it is correct as others posted that people can see if they have cataracts.

As for people who died around the time of his attack:
I researched this, thinking maybe he came to that Georgia area for a funeral. I found nothing that seemed to fit.
But please take a look ....
the more fresh eyes that look at this case, the better.

 

[dreamweaver]

Welcome JAMESSMITH:

Ideas for name of documentary:
Mr K goes to Georgia.
Real Amnesia, Real Loss.
The Strangest Amnesia Case.
Man Without a Country.
August 31, 2004 Mystery.
The Real Mystery of the Crime:
Appeared from Thin Air.
Mr. Kyle. Mr Powell. Which One is He?
The Mystery Starts Here.
Found. Without A Trace.
One Hot Summer Night.

That's a start.

 

[believe09]

Hello Websleuths.com Community!

I'd like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Smith and I am one of the filmmakers who are working on a feature documentary about Benjaman Kyle. I used to work in Hollywood where I first contacted Benjaman while working at a popular daytime talk show. Ever since then I have been in contact with Mr. Kyle and am excited to begin work on a documentary that will raise awareness about Mr. Kyle and also hopefully contribute to his identification. We have been in preproduction planning for about two months now and we will begin shooting initial interviews in August.

We'd like to welcome the Websleuths.com community to help in different ways throughout the process. So please check back often for ways you can help.

First, we'd like to ask for your help naming the documentary. Several names have been tossed around in preproduction meetings, but we thought it would be fun to ask you for help. So, please reply with any names you can think of for the documentary on Mr. Kyle. We look forward to seeing what the community comes up with!

Legal: If we select your name it will become property of the documentary and no compensation will be made for its use.

Welcome, JamesSmith-

I am going to establish a seperate thread for the documentary so it will simplify your process of gathering information, ideas, data, whatever.