63% Reject Darwin's Theory of Evolution

And why would monkeys still exist? We'd be the only species living alongside our lesser evolved "cousins." No one can ever say why there are still monkeys around if we evolved from them, and why that applies only to humans. There is another unanswerable question that comes from that same line of thinking, but I won't turn this into a discussion of the theory....

:sigh:

Because no informed person ever said we evolved from "monkeys." What the TofE suggests is that we and modern apes descend from common ancestors in the distant past. Which is why you and Cheeta share over 96% of your DNA.

Whether 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens were and/or are given souls by a divine being is a question for Faith, not Science. Ditto for Cheeta, I suppose.
 
We lose them for the rest of our earthly lives. If we believe in Him, we will be reunited alongside both God and Jesus for the same eternity, in OUR new home. So we get to be with our children again, too. So look beyond your worldly existance/perspective and you will see how it is the same from God's perspective.

Excuse me, but I believe your religion teaches that we will be reunited with ONLY the children who were sprinkled with the magic water before they died.
 
SOMEBODY'S RAISING THEIR KID RIGHT!

One Nation, 'Under God.'

One day a 6-year old girl was sitting in a classroom. The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children. The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?


TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?


TOMMY: Yes.


TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.


TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.


TEACHER: Did you see God up there?


TOMMY: No.


TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. Possibly he just doesn't exist....


With respect, Boyz Mum, that email is the sort of thing that gives religion a bad name.

Science deals with all sorts of things that can't be seen with the naked eye, including an infinite cosmos and a complex subatomic world. (What it does not deal with are beliefs that can't be measured by any physical sense, instrument or rational deduction.)

In fact, the universe revealed to us by science is infinitely richer and greater than any suggested by the major religious texts.
 
And why would monkeys still exist? We'd be the only species living alongside our lesser evolved "cousins." No one can ever say why there are still monkeys around if we evolved from them, and why that applies only to humans. There is another unanswerable question that comes from that same line of thinking, but I won't turn this into a discussion of the theory.

Ariel and I are considering starting a thread this summer in the Parking Lot or Unmoderated Forum debating this topic. Hopefully the usual suspects will be brave enough to join us. :crazy:

What unmoderated forum ?????

My head hurts when I Think of this debate.

I would rather come from a Rib of a *person* than a monkey to be honest.
I can not comprehend how humans can come from a monkey/chimp/ape whatever you wish to call it as, and although I see that these creatures are intelligent, well so are dolphins and we didnt come from them either, so are some species of dogs.
The idea is that we came from cavemen that were apes ...

Well how did the apes get here ?

did they come from the magic fairy ? and if so where did the magic fairy come from :p

like i said my head hurts when i think about these things

Like why is a table called a table and not a chair ? and vice versa.
how did we get the name HUMAN and the DOG - dog ? when just imagine if it were the other way..

Who gave everything their names ?

Sigh....

And how did the moon come about , and the solar planets , the sun , the stars , the trees, the soil etc etc ...

Sometimes if you get to entrenched you just waste your life...Personally I think we should all just accept that we are all here every living being and that somewhere someway something beyong our comprehension created all of this

For us to LIVE And ENJOY....

:)
 
Excuse me, but I believe your religion teaches that we will be reunited with ONLY the children who were sprinkled with the magic water before they died.


Thats not fair and not true. Children do not go to hell. They go to heaven regardless of whether they were baptised or not.
:(

But I had both my children baptised because of my faith. And I do not go to church regularly , nor do I pray daily, but when I do I can do it anywhere
Doesnt mean Im going to hell either !
And I am still a GOOD CHRISTIAN !
Being a GOOD CHRISTIAN isnt about going to church twice on sundays and taking holy communion and so forth
Being a GOOD christian is as the name suggests BEING GOOD.



With respect, Boyz Mum, that email is the sort of thing that gives religion a bad name.

Science deals with all sorts of things that can't be seen with the naked eye, including an infinite cosmos and a complex subatomic world. (What it does not deal with are beliefs that can't be measured by any physical sense, instrument or rational deduction.)

In fact, the universe revealed to us by science is infinitely richer and greater than any suggested by the major religious texts.

That email is HORRID
 
SOMEBODY'S RAISING THEIR KID RIGHT!

One Nation, 'Under God.'

One day a 6-year old girl was sitting in a classroom. The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children. The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?


TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see God up there?

TOMMY: No.

TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. Possibly he just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions.


The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

T OMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school, she possibly may not even have one!

(You Go Girl!)

FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT'
II CORINTHIANS 5:7

Don't forget to pass this on! I love this one. Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with prayer restricted in schools.

(I just thought that some of you would like this. :))

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I love it when people use athiest "logic" against them, hehe. I will have to pass that on!
 
OH MY GOD !!

The version that was posted before was HALF CHOPPED OFF !!!!!!



The version you printed in full shows its not horrid

DK thank you for showing me that in full.

My children go to a C of E school and we have prayer and chapel in theirs

:)

I had it in mine too

What i was talking about is so true though. You don't have to go to church to be a good christian , in fact someone in my family does go to church REGULARLY every Sunday, but doesnt act very christian like

How does one do that ?







BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I love it when people use athiest "logic" against them, hehe. I will have to pass that on!
 
:truce:

Seriously, I just posted the email because of the "evolution" aspect and I received it since I've been reading the "debate" here. No harm intended to anyone.

Since I don't remember much about what I was taught in grade school regarding evolution and Darwin, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject. I enjoy reading all of your beliefs and opinions. :)
 
FTR, the decision whether or not to participate in any future debate about evolution will be based on how much patience I could summon, not bravery. :crazy: They're always so full of worn-out canards, I don't see how I could manage to answer them without sounding either motherly, snarky, or arrogant. :waitasec:

Imagine the response to someone coming on here and challenging us to a debate on the Caylee Anthony case. To top it off, their challenges consist of things like "Why didn't the police arrest Zenaida Gonzalez for not bringing Caylee home that day?" or "How could Casey have done it? She was busy working at Universal Studios!" or "Casey's sister coulda diddit!" :crazy:

You might be able to answer politely once or twice, but if they kept challenging our "bravery," while making it obvious that they haven't a grasp of even the most basic facts about the case, then the kindest and most polite thing you'd probably be able to do would be to advise them to take some time to read about it - and from sources other than the Anthony family.

So that's my answer to the bravery challenge.

As proof that I'm not exaggerating, see the bizarre challenge in this thread that "No one can ever say why there are still monkeys around if we evolved from them."

:rolleyes: On the contrary:

FAQ: If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today?

Answer: Huh?? Scientists think that one group of apes, in response to their environment, started evolving in a way that would eventually lead to humanity (and many other now-extinct hominids). Why on earth should that cause the rest of the apes to go extinct?

It's as silly as saying "If I am descended from Irish ancestors [which I am], why are there still Irish people around?" (Yes, I'm aware that I haven't evolved from my Irish forebears; the point is that whatever happened to my ancestors, it didn't affect the rest of the Irish population.)

If you don't believe me, please note that the leading creationist organization Answers in Genesis agrees with me, and now lists this argument in their Arguments we think creationists should NOT use web page.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/faqs.html#apes

So, far from being an "unanswerable question," it's already been answered ad nauseum.

As for the equally woeful claim that "We'd be the only species living alongside our lesser evolved "cousins.""
Well, on top of Nova's excellent answer about common ancestors, I'm sorry to have to point out the existence of wolves (the ancestors of dogs). We also still have reptiles, even though they evolved into frogs... and we even still have their ancestors, swimming in the ocean...

So the Anthony case analogy really wasn't an exaggeration. :o

I'll finish with a quote about evolution from Darwin himself, which he wrote in his book. (Which, as a reminder, was called the "Origin of Species", not the "Origin of Life"):
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.​
That doesn't look to me like the words of a man who wrote the book to prove there is no God, as he was wrongly accused of here.
 
:truce:

Seriously, I just posted the email because of the "evolution" aspect and I received it since I've been reading the "debate" here. No harm intended to anyone.

Since I don't remember much about what I was taught in grade school regarding evolution and Darwin, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject. I enjoy reading all of your beliefs and opinions. :)

:blowkiss: You're always a joy to read, Boyz_Mum. :)
 
FTR, the decision whether or not to participate in any future debate about evolution will be based on how much patience I could summon, not bravery. :crazy: They're always so full of worn-out canards, I don't see how I could manage to answer them without sounding either motherly, snarky, or arrogant. :waitasec:

Imagine the response to someone coming on here and challenging us to a debate on the Caylee Anthony case. To top it off, their challenges consist of things like "Why didn't the police arrest Zenaida Gonzalez for not bringing Caylee home that day?" or "How could Casey have done it? She was busy working at Universal Studios!" or "Casey's sister coulda diddit!" :crazy:

You might be able to answer politely once or twice, but if they kept challenging our "bravery," while making it obvious that they haven't a grasp of even the most basic facts about the case, then the kindest and most polite thing you'd probably be able to do would be to advise them to take some time to read about it - and from sources other than the Anthony family.

So that's my answer to the bravery challenge.

As proof that I'm not exaggerating, see the bizarre challenge in this thread that "No one can ever say why there are still monkeys around if we evolved from them."

:rolleyes: On the contrary:
FAQ: If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today?

Answer: Huh?? Scientists think that one group of apes, in response to their environment, started evolving in a way that would eventually lead to humanity (and many other now-extinct hominids). Why on earth should that cause the rest of the apes to go extinct?

It's as silly as saying "If I am descended from Irish ancestors [which I am], why are there still Irish people around?" (Yes, I'm aware that I haven't evolved from my Irish forebears; the point is that whatever happened to my ancestors, it didn't affect the rest of the Irish population.)

If you don't believe me, please note that the leading creationist organization Answers in Genesis agrees with me, and now lists this argument in their Arguments we think creationists should NOT use web page.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/faqs.html#apes
So, far from being an "unanswerable question," it's already been answered ad nauseum.

As for the equally woeful claim that "We'd be the only species living alongside our lesser evolved "cousins.""
Well, on top of Nova's excellent answer about common ancestors, I'm sorry to have to point out the existence of wolves (the ancestors of dogs). We also still have reptiles, even though they evolved into frogs... and we even still have their ancestors, swimming in the ocean...

So the Anthony case analogy really wasn't an exaggeration. :o

I'll finish with a quote about evolution from Darwin himself, which he wrote in his book. (Which, as a reminder, was called the "Origin of Species", not the "Origin of Life"):
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
That doesn't look to me like the words of a man who wrote the book to prove there is no God, as he was wrongly accused of here.

You'd be fun in our debate, I hope you come along, and bring your motherly snarkiness. :crazy: I promise you Ariel7 will not give you the same old canards, just ask Nova or Cypros. :D
 
:truce:

Seriously, I just posted the email because of the "evolution" aspect and I received it since I've been reading the "debate" here. No harm intended to anyone.

Since I don't remember much about what I was taught in grade school regarding evolution and Darwin, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject. I enjoy reading all of your beliefs and opinions. :)

Hi Boyzmum you didn't do anything wrong.....I thought the email was horrid to start with FROM SOMEONE ELSES Posting of only 3/4 of it !

They cut off the rest of it ......

You did nothing wrong :blowkiss:
 
Hi Boyzmum you didn't do anything wrong.....I thought the email was horrid to start with FROM SOMEONE ELSES Posting of only 3/4 of it !

They cut off the rest of it ......

You did nothing wrong :blowkiss:


I quoted the email in question up to the passage relevant to my response. I correctly indicated that the original text continued beyond my quotation by including an ellipsis in the quote.

To wit (from Wiki):

Ellipsis (plural ellipses; from the Greek: ἔλλειψις, élleipsis, "omission") in printing and writing refers to a mark or series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word or a phrase from the original text.

(Emphasis added.) What's more, I used the legal form of ellipsis (four, rather than three, dots) to indicate that I was omitting more than just a few words.

So it was a quote and the truncation was acknowledged by me. The original remained in full above, as posted by Boyz_Mum.

THERE WAS NO DECEPTION OR INTENT TO DECEIVE. And implying a deception on my part in more than one post is unfair.

That you misread something in haste is understandable. We all do that from time to time. But a fair discussion is better served by admitting we misread something instead of indicting another poster's integrity.

===

Further, I never said God sends children to Hell according to Catholic theology. But it is my understanding that in Catholicism, unbaptized children do not gain full access to God in Heaven and, thus, are NOT reunited with their grieving parents.

===

Finally and in response to yet another post, if the theory of evolution is difficult to understand, that doesn't make the theory itself preposterous. Myself, I don't begin to understand quantum physics, but that doesn't make quantum theory ridiculous.

[Edited because a previous edit accidentally destroyed the meaning of the above paragraph.]

Hell, I don't really understand the internal combustion engine, but that doesn't mean I need to invent a religion claiming cars are powerd by magic dwarves on tiny treadmills.
 
:truce:

Seriously, I just posted the email because of the "evolution" aspect and I received it since I've been reading the "debate" here. No harm intended to anyone....

And no harm done, Boyz_Mum.

I was criticizing the email, not you personally for posting it.

But if some of us seem frustrated, "smarmy" or "snarky" (the latter being the words of others, not you), it is because attacks on the theory of evolution so often consist in straw men arguments and non sequitors.

In this thread alone, we've seen :

"Darwin claims people are descended from monkeys."

"Science doesn't acknowledge anything that can't be seen with the naked eye."

"Darwin 'invented' evolution only because he was overreacting to personal tragedy."

As Jholi pointed out above, it doesn't take "bravery" to respond to these nonsensical claims, but it does take patience. Alas, patience is not a virtue for which I am known. ;)
 
To the mod who edited my post #75:

Sorry and thank you for the correction. I didn't mean any harm, but I did let the volume get too high.
 
Hey Nova!

I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone with the posting, I just thought it fit in with the discussion.

I didn't think your "snipping the post" had anything personal against me implied. In some ways I don't understand the "philosophies" (I don't know how to spell that word) of religion or the scientific theories of Darwin.

Please believe me when I say, "I am trying to learn from all of you". (It could be a very big job for all of us!)

:blowkiss:
 
I quoted the email in question up to the passage relevant to my response. I correctly indicated that the original text continued beyond my quotation by including an ellipsis in the quote.

To wit (from Wiki):



(Emphasis added.) What's more, I used the legal form of ellipsis (four, rather than three, dots) to indicate that I was omitting more than just a few words.

So it was a quote and the truncation was acknowledged by me. The original remained in full above, as posted by Boyz_Mum.

THERE WAS NO DECEPTION OR INTENT TO DECEIVE. And implying a deception on my part in more than one post is unfair.

That you misread something in haste is understandable. We all do that from time to time. But a fair discussion is better served by admitting we misread something instead of indicting another poster's integrity.

===

Further, I never said God sends children to Hell according to Catholic theology. But it is my understanding that in Catholicism, unbaptized children do not gain full access to God in Heaven and, thus, are NOT reunited with their grieving parents, as DK so blithely suggested.

===

Finally and in response to yet another post revealed by the theory of evolution doesn't make the theory itself preposterous. Myself, I don't begin to understand quantum physics, but that doesn't make quantum theory ridiculous.

Hell, I don't really understand the internal combustion engine, but that doesn't mean I need to invent a religion claiming cars are powerd by magic dwarves on tiny treadmills.




That email was chopped off at a particular point and anyone not knowing that email in full would have thought it horrible in the context it was used. I had Not seen the full version as I had not read the posts before

Anyone seeing ... would not know that it mean what you have now said you used it for
I use ... all the time as do many people.

It was NOT clear that the email had more to it - not clear at all
 
Hey Nova!

I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone with the posting, I just thought it fit in with the discussion.

I didn't think your "snipping the post" had anything personal against me implied. In some ways I don't understand the "philosophies" (I don't know how to spell that word) of religion or the scientific theories of Darwin.

Please believe me when I say, "I am trying to learn from all of you". (It could be a very big job for all of us!)

:blowkiss:

:blowkiss: Right back at you, Boyz_Mum!

Just to reiterate, I don't think you were offensive or in any way in the wrong. I just thought the email itself required response.
 
That email was chopped off at a particular point and anyone not knowing that email in full would have thought it horrible in the context it was used. I had Not seen the full version as I had not read the posts before

Anyone seeing ... would not know that it mean what you have now said you used it for
I use ... all the time as do many people.

It was NOT clear that the email had more to it - not clear at all

I used the correct notation. (At least in terms of American legal usage. I'm only guessing from your hat that you may be posting from Australia; I honestly don't know if punctuation rules are the same there. If not, I'll be happy to learn what you would have done instead.)

For the record, I deleted the second half of the passage only because of length. I don't happen to agree with you that the quote seems "worse" because of the omission. The first half of the email is a straw man argument; the straw man is demolished in the second half, but a straw man is still just a straw man.

(Sorry, Top Gunner. I know you said "enough." But I'm still being accused of having done something wrong here. I'll stop now.)
 
Excuse me, but I believe your religion teaches that we will be reunited with ONLY the children who were sprinkled with the magic water before they died.

You're most excused, hehe.

You are talking about the old concept of "limbo." That was never officially Church Doctrine, only an idea/theory by some Church leaders. It was wholeheartedly rejected by Pope Benedict a couple of years ago as not existing and not something that the anyone in the church should teach, for it puts a limit on God's mercy, which can be limitless. (Not always, otherwise there'd be no point in Hell, but that's another discussion.) So it isn't even put forth as an idea or theory, any more, within the church. (We're a denomination, not a religion, by the way, but I know what you meant.)

What IS Church Doctrine is that a child under the age of 7 is not capable of sinning as their moral reasoning has not properly developed enough, GENERALLY speaking, to make an informed choice as to what is a sin or not a sin. Age 7 is considered the "age of reason." Obviously, your child's results may vary. So yes, children obviously go to heaven, and yes, even unbaptized ones can go, too, as God Wills, according to official Church Doctrine.
 

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