8.05.10 -Sources: 2 friends gave Terri Horman cell phones

[STEADFAST]

I guess I was looking at it not from a level of suspicion, but from a level of capitalistic greed. If these two women might (not saying they are, just speculating here) have determined to turn a profit with inside information.

If we've seen nothing since beautiful Caylee disappeared, is that there is no level to which people will sink to make a buck off a little child.

I don't see how getting bat phones would give anybody more inside information than just hanging out with Terri.

It seems to me that it's much more likely that Terri does hinky stuff than that many people, including her husband and closest friends have all decided to make her look bad because they're the ones who are hinky.

 

[wondering1]

BBM1 What does this mean?

BBM2 What laws were broken?

It's not illegal to buy a prepaid phone anonymously. ( IIRC, there has been some legislation, or perhaps it is only store policy, to limit the number of throwaway phones which may be purchased at one time; but those restrictions were put in place to make things harder for drug dealers and terrorists, some of whom have bought
100s at a time. )

I've bought a good many prepaid phones, mainly because my son loses his with some regularity, and the cheap phones go bad, as well. Still more economical than buying one with a plan. I imagine that "cheaters" have bought them as well. Since in some states adultery is still a prosecutable crime, does that make the puprchase of those phones a crime?

Idk the answer for sure, but since they (or at least one of them) has admitted buying the phones to avoid LE scrutiny, I wonder if it wouldn't amount to obstruction of justice. Or, if they did so to avoid LE scrutiny AND an actual crime had been committed and they knew it (or believed it to be true) when they bought the phones, I would think it could even rise to accessory after the fact. jmoo.

 

[Morag]

[FONT="Tahoma" (snip)...I do think DDS may have some very misdirected ideas about, and, perhaps an overly zealous approach to individual constitutional rights -- and that the others (excluding TH) perhaps just got caught up in "The Batphone Sisterhood." I don't know if I can believe that TH would have even cared about breaking laws at that point. Just MOO.
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I am always interested and concerned when constitutional rights are pushed aside.
Can you describe what you mean by the "overly zealous" approach?

Thanks, Morag

 

[debs]

Idk the answer for sure, but since they (or at least one of them) has admitted buying the phones to avoid LE scrutiny, I wonder if it wouldn't amount to obstruction of justice. Or, if they did so to avoid LE scrutiny AND an actual crime had been committed and they knew it (or believed it to be true) when they bought the phones, I would think it could even rise to accessory after the fact. jmoo.

They are citizens of the US who purchased phones they could use at a friend's house whose cell service coverage included only phones from a particular carrier. Given that Terri was a virtual prisoner in her home before she left it, stands to reason they'd get phones which they could contact their loved ones from. There is no law broken, no obstruction of justice; LE would have to prove (which I assume was the purpose of the GJ testimony) whether they were used for any other reason. Until then, given that most people speculated that Terri's home phone and cell phone (if she still had it) were bugged by LE, the friends' personal business wasn't LE's, and therefore again, seems to make sense to defend their own right to privacy, they would obtain cell phones they could use from Terri's house.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

seems to make sense to defend their own right to privacy, they would obtain cell phones they could use from Terri's house.

,,,sbm

and to add to that.....they can do whatever they want with their cellphones without having to give anyone a reason whatsoever.

 

[STEADFAST]

They are citizens of the US who purchased phones they could use at a friend's house whose cell service coverage included only phones from a particular carrier. Given that Terri was a virtual prisoner in her home before she left it, stands to reason they'd get phones which they could contact their loved ones from. There is no law broken, no obstruction of justice; LE would have to prove (which I assume was the purpose of the GJ testimony) whether they were used for any other reason. Until then, given that most people speculated that Terri's home phone and cell phone (if she still had it) were bugged by LE, the friends' personal business wasn't LE's, and therefore again, seems to make sense to defend their own right to privacy, they would obtain cell phones they could use from Terri's house.

If that's the case, that the buying of the phones made perfect sense, then why is that one saying it was "stupid" and she regrets doing it?
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100174784.html

 

[debs]

If that's the case, that the buying of the phones made perfect sense, then why is that one saying it was "stupid" and she regrets doing it?
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100174784.html

My guess is because her business showed up across the nation and she looks like an idiot and had to go to the GJ and say exactly why she did what she did, and it's a stupid stupid thing. Just guessing, though.

 

[wondering1]

They are citizens of the US who purchased phones they could use at a friend's house whose cell service coverage included only phones from a particular carrier. Given that Terri was a virtual prisoner in her home before she left it, stands to reason they'd get phones which they could contact their loved ones from. There is no law broken, no obstruction of justice; LE would have to prove (which I assume was the purpose of the GJ testimony) whether they were used for any other reason. Until then, given that most people speculated that Terri's home phone and cell phone (if she still had it) were bugged by LE, the friends' personal business wasn't LE's, and therefore again, seems to make sense to defend their own right to privacy, they would obtain cell phones they could use from Terri's house.

You are right, of course. They have every right to buy multiple disposable phones at odd locations under fake names for the purpose of communicating with their loved ones from the home of their friend who is the exclusive focus of a criminal investigation for, at best, conspiracy to commit murder and, at worst, murder in the first degree of her own stepchild. I was merely suggesting what they might be charged with if it turns out they weren't just talking to their loved ones about when to pick little Johnny up from soccer practice and such. jmoo

 

[Adrienne37]

You are right, of course. They have every right to buy multiple disposable phones at odd locations under fake names for the purpose of communicating with their loved ones from the home of their friend who is the exclusive focus of a criminal investigation for, at best, conspiracy to commit murder and, at worst, murder in the first degree of her own stepchild. I was merely suggesting what they might be charged with if it turns out they weren't just talking to their loved ones about when to pick little Johnny up from soccer practice and such. jmoo

Bravo, bravo, bravo. Simply wonderful post. JMO.

 

[BeanE]

You are right, of course. They have every right to buy multiple disposable phones at odd locations under fake names for the purpose of communicating with their loved ones from the home of their friend who is the exclusive focus of a criminal investigation for, at best, conspiracy to commit murder and, at worst, murder in the first degree of her own stepchild. I was merely suggesting what they might be charged with if it turns out they weren't just talking to their loved ones about when to pick little Johnny up from soccer practice and such. jmoo

Do you believe that all these women were/are in a conspiracy to cover up MFH re Kaine, or kidnapping or homicide re Kyron? I find it hard to envision all these plain ordinary normal everyday women banding together to murder one friend's husband, or even more unbelievable, to murder or kidnap one friend's stepchild. And with no evidence, I just can't get there. That's like a really horrific horror movie.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

If that's the case, that the buying of the phones made perfect sense, then why is that one saying it was "stupid" and she regrets doing it?
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100174784.html

she did not say that it was a stupid thing to do and that she regrets it. it was again that pesky unnamed source. which means nothing.

 

[Billylee]

Key issue in trying to figure out the purpose of the phones for me is WHEN that was done. We don't know that do we? Was it the day after Ky went missing? Was it when KH left the house and TH was served the papers? Was it after TH lawyered up. I think knowing WHEN, would shed some light on their purpose.

 

[BeanE]

Key issue in trying to figure out the purpose of the phones for me is WHEN that was done. We don't know that do we? Was it the day after Ky went missing? Was it when KH left the house and TH was served the papers? Was it after TH lawyered up. I think knowing WHEN, would shed some light on their purpose.

I posted the link in this thread, Billy. After Kaine left. Let me see if I can find my post with the article.

ETA: Here it is:

The phones were purchased after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out of the family's home.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html

Also, didn't one of the friends say one of the purposes of the phones was to help Terri find an attorney? I'm trying to remember if that was a video or an article.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't see the women as having sinister motives in getting the phones, even if Terri may have had them for asking...but the fact that they used false names, although not a crime and not even that unusual, tells me that they at least had some inkling that their actions might be frowned on, to say the least.

 

[debs]

I don't see the women as having sinister motives in getting the phones, even if Terri may have had them for asking...but the fact that they used false names, although not a crime and not even that unusual, tells me that they at least had some inkling that their actions might be frowned on, to say the least.

How do we know they did it at Terri's request?

 

[BeanE]

How do we know they did it at Terri's request?

I don't think it's been reported whose idea it was, has it?

 

[wondering1]

Do you believe that all these women were/are in a conspiracy to cover up MFH re Kaine, or kidnapping or homicide re Kyron? I find it hard to envision all these plain ordinary normal everyday women banding together to murder one friend's husband, or even more unbelievable, to murder or kidnap one friend's stepchild. And with no evidence, I just can't get there. That's like a really horrific horror movie.

No, I don't necessarily believe that -- although stranger things have happened. But I don't know that they aren't, either. All I know is that their behavior is inappropriate in the extreme, imo, and makes them look very, very suspicious, also imo. The point of my last post was (1) to state all of the reasons why their behavior seems so very, very suspicious to me; and (2) to re-state that the point of my first post was just to say what they might be guilty of if they are somehow criminally involved. Not that they ARE guilty of it, for sure. I try to avoid stating things in absolute terms on WS b/c I thinks that's the way the site rolls. But I'm new, so maybe being overly cautious.

My personal belief is that ifthis group of women is guilty of obstructing justice and/or AATH, it is more likely that they thought they were doing a *good* thing rather than a bad thing -- even if they believed that a *crime* in the technical sense, had been committed. But, as I said, stranger things have happened, and you just never know till you know.jmoo

 

[Deleted member 718]

Key issue in trying to figure out the purpose of the phones for me is WHEN that was done. We don't know that do we? Was it the day after Ky went missing? Was it when KH left the house and TH was served the papers? Was it after TH lawyered up. I think knowing WHEN, would shed some light on their purpose.

I think it was about the same time the sexy photos, RO photo and the $350,000 for Terri's attorney all show up on MC's phone.

 

[Billylee]

"The phones were purchased after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out of the family's home.

The friend, who is not DeDe Spicher, went to the Lloyd Center and bought a prepaid cell phone at an electronic store. The friend now says she regrets using a fake name and that it was “stupid” and “spur of the moment.”

She said the phone she bought was for herself to use and not for Terri Horman.

She insists the three of them – DeDe, Terri and her – only got the phones because the new AT&T service would allow them to make calls out of the Horman home at Shelter Nook Road. The home is in a remote area that does not receive Verizon service, which is what the friends had."

Okay, does someone think this is not the case? I can't get out of my house most of the time with my cell (in Oregon), that's why I HAVE to keep a landline. I use Verizon, my husband has a work cell and I think it's AT&T and he can get out much better than I can. I don't think this person is making this story up. It is very interesting that someone else bought two phones after her, AND she knows they were paid for in cash, but doesn't know who bought them. That's kinda weird. I wonder if it may have been MC, for purposes of the sexting thing. ?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html

 

[Herding Cats]

I'm starting to think that the whole anonymous cell phone thing is just a big red herring, and has nothing to do with anything at all other than someone bought a phone, for temporary use while at TH's house. Nothing nefarious, sneaky, or underhanded.

The thing with the false name? Shoot...we know what DY and KH did to people they believe (rightly or wrongly) to have information and/or were supporting TH; why wouldn't they use a fake name so that they would avoid the public whipping that DY and KH have done to others?

Big, stinky, bloated, noxious red herring, but still only a red herring...MOO...

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