8 Die in Crash on Taconic State Parkway #2

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This is a harsh case.

This was a 36-year-old mother, not a college student on her first bender. Middle managers with drinking problems don't travel in packs. You might not even find one drinking buddy....You might find that the person doesn't drink in public at all.

The women I know in that age group on the "mommy track" don't drink in public much anyway. The time for us to get together and do so has gotten less and less with all of the kids' activities and the ones I know who *truly* have a problem start drinking well before the rest of us would be able to meet at a bar. They drink at home, they drive around drunk no problem...you just know not to let your kids be there alone or in their cars. Sad but true.
 
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In my opinion, She was an experienced solo drinker, but not a raging alcoholic. She knew the effects of the vodka and pot and used it to self medicate herself on an intentional murder/suicide. No doubt something, probably several things, came to a head that weekend with Danny, the kids, and her brother. I would speculate Danny got busted messing around that Thursday when he was supposed to be at the camp and that triggered her abandonment fears, (maybe they didn't fight in front of the kids and she never even let on she knew, waiting for later) then the nieces were probably talking about grandma (her estranged mother), her kids were probably asking about who is this grandma they have never met, then the phone call with her brother probably involved issues with the mother, the kids, and Danny in her drunken state. That was the last straw, she was probably hell bent on destroying herself up to that point, but that phone call put her over the edge on wanting to punish everyone in her life; her husband for the kids he never wanted and for screwing around on her, all the children for pushing mother issue (she could not allow her world of isolation form her mother collide with having to allow her children to see their grandmother), to her brother who probably told her to get over the mother issues and grow up. From the moment Warren said stay put i am coming to get you, she put the phone down so he couldn't track her and she went north, where she knew he would not find her. She was probably drinking mixed vodka and OJ all morning, but at that point she probably started swigging the mass quantities of vodka they found in her stomach. It is really a simple case of pushing all her buttons at once and she cracked. She was crazy, not ill Plain and simple, crazy and drunk.
 
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In my opinion, She was an experienced solo drinker, but not a raging alcoholic. She knew the effects of the vodka and pot and used it to self medicate herself on an intentional murder/suicide. No doubt something, probably several things, came to a head that weekend with Danny, the kids, and her brother. I would speculate Danny got busted messing around that Thursday when he was supposed to be at the camp and that triggered her abandonment fears, (maybe they didn't fight in front of the kids and she never even let on she knew, waiting for later) then the nieces were probably talking about grandma (her estranged mother), her kids were probably asking about who is this grandma they have never met, then the phone call with her brother probably involved issues with the mother, the kids, and Danny in her drunken state. That was the last straw, she was probably hell bent on destroying herself up to that point, but that phone call put her over the edge on wanting to punish everyone in her life; her husband for the kids he never wanted and for screwing around on her, all the children for pushing mother issue (she could not allow her world of isolation form her mother collide with having to allow her children to see their grandmother), to her brother who probably told her to get over the mother issues and grow up. From the moment Warren said stay put i am coming to get you, she put the phone down so he couldn't track her and she went north, where she knew he would not find her. She was probably drinking mixed vodka and OJ all morning, but at that point she probably started swigging the mass quantities of vodka they found in her stomach. It is really a simple case of pushing all her buttons at once and she cracked. She was crazy, not ill Plain and simple, crazy and drunk.

Interesting perspective - thank you for sharing that and now you've got me thinking... Re:BBM ^, in the "normal" conversation that Jackie claims to have had with Diane (I believe the 11:37am call - please correct me if I'm wrong), there was talk about the Hance' girls upcoming play and Diane wanting tickets. I wonder if Jackie told Diane that her (Diane's) mother was coming to the play (perhaps Warren invited her...) and that alone or combined with some other stressor that weekend culminated in Diane going postal (so-to-say)?
JMO
 
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I am going to venture here by saying 10 shots o vodka in her system is 15 ounces. I could serve a person that much but legally I am responsible for what ever happens to that person once they leave IF I was irresponsible enough to serve them that amount and then assinine enough to let them leave w car keys in their possession. If as a bartender-not now- I am held accountable, plus face fines, I think this family all in all is not being honest w themselves or anyone. I bet they all said they didnt know she drank or smoked z weed. I will also bet that the shoulda, woulda, couldas keep more than some of them up at night. The old saying that you are only as sick as your secrets comes to mind. A terrible, horrific, but very preventable Homicide of innocent men and children. :shakehead:
 
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RS, I am open to other explanations, but what are they? 10 (probably 12 or 13) shots of vodka on a Sunday late night/morning when you know you have to drive a van full of children more than 100 miles? Plus a joint?

I've had an abscessed tooth that had to be extracted. I've broken bones without realizing it and lived with the pain for several days. It never crossed my mind to down such a large amount of vodka, much less to drink and get behind the wheel of a car.

I don't understand how Diane Schuler consumed that much alcohol and pot UNLESS she had an ongoing drinking issue of some kind.

I actually think there could be other explanations. First, there is no evidence or even testimony that I am aware of that she started drinking the night before. This has been mentioned many times, but unless I have missed something (someone let me know if I have because I haven't read everything on this) the idea that she began drinking the night before was speculation. Even if she had, alcohol dissipates quickly and it would have left her system unless she stayed up all night drinking which I don't believe. What drinking the night before might have done is give her a splitting headache the morning of the drive which could have been the catalyst (although I still tend to think it was because she realized her husband was a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬).

Your post reminded me of something I saw and I can't remember where...perhaps it was the Westchester med examiner who showed a coke can...maybe not. But while discussing this case, the can was shown with a line near the top and I believe they were estimating how much alcohol she had in her system. I though one shot was about 1 to 2 ounces, which means that she would have had between 10 and 20 ounces in her system. The average coke can is about 12 ounces. Anyway, I am picturing in my mind the very large beverage cups she held in her hands at McDonalds. It seems to me that if someone had these large containers and drank some of it and then poured vodka in to create a "drink" (for whatever reason), one might easily miscalculate Myself, for instance. I don't own a shot glass and if I mix a drink for someone (I usually only drink wine and beer) they usually kid me because I always overestimate the amount of vodka, or whatever, and make the drink much too strong. Just for a moment imagine that Diane was not, in fact, a regular drinker but just an occasional drinker. She might have just poured the vodka and had no idea how much she had put in with the soda, juice or whatever she had. Again, vodka is pretty tasteless and odorless and can fool people.

This was one of the theories of the psychiatrist in the documentary who suggested that she downed a couple big gulps thinking she needed to get it in her system quickly for pain (physical or mental) and over-estimated the amount she was downing. Adding a marijuana cigarette to the mix - something that is often used to ease pain - was something that could eventually have sent her into a delirium. One could still drive but not know exactly what they were doing. (Also, re the "Pin Straight" argument: the man who used this description was probably going at a pretty good clip - as almost everyone does on the Taconic - and traveling in the opposite direction from Diane who also was going very fast. He probably saw her for a split second or just a couple of seconds - not enough to determine if she was weaving or not.)

I guess the bottom line is that I think it is much too easy, and not scientific at all, to decide that she was a regular heavy drinker. Your first statement and the one about it not crossing your mind to get behind the wheel of a car, assumes the person was in a reasoning state of mind. Even people who are not drinking have differing levels of reasoning. Just because you wouldn't think of it and I wouldn't think of it, doesn't mean that everyone else wouldn't think of it.

Re alcohol: it affects everyone differently. It impairs motor and visual skills. It slows down thinking and it can cause pain (which might have happened here - thus the cigarette). Women become inebriated quicker than men, and there are numerous factors that will determine how a body accepts alcohol. For instance, weight, sex, health, even family history can make a difference. And, importantly, people who are not used to drinking heavily can have a very negative reaction - pain, immediate interference with vision, etc. I personally think this is what happened.

Finally (I can hear the applause now) there was no evidence in the autopsy that she had been a long term abuser of alcohol.

We all know she did something terrible; that she shouldn't have had alcohol and marijuana and then get behind the wheel of a car. But just declaring her a drunk and stating that we wouldn't have done it, doesn't really answer the haunting questions.
 
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In my opinion, She was an experienced solo drinker, but not a raging alcoholic. She knew the effects of the vodka and pot and used it to self medicate herself on an intentional murder/suicide. No doubt something, probably several things, came to a head that weekend with Danny, the kids, and her brother. I would speculate Danny got busted messing around that Thursday when he was supposed to be at the camp and that triggered her abandonment fears, (maybe they didn't fight in front of the kids and she never even let on she knew, waiting for later) then the nieces were probably talking about grandma (her estranged mother), her kids were probably asking about who is this grandma they have never met, then the phone call with her brother probably involved issues with the mother, the kids, and Danny in her drunken state. That was the last straw, she was probably hell bent on destroying herself up to that point, but that phone call put her over the edge on wanting to punish everyone in her life; her husband for the kids he never wanted and for screwing around on her, all the children for pushing mother issue (she could not allow her world of isolation form her mother collide with having to allow her children to see their grandmother), to her brother who probably told her to get over the mother issues and grow up. From the moment Warren said stay put i am coming to get you, she put the phone down so he couldn't track her and she went north, where she knew he would not find her. She was probably drinking mixed vodka and OJ all morning, but at that point she probably started swigging the mass quantities of vodka they found in her stomach. It is really a simple case of pushing all her buttons at once and she cracked. She was crazy, not ill Plain and simple, crazy and drunk.

Do you write much fiction or was this the first try? (Just kidding) I wish we had access to the report of the forensic psychiatrist who reviewed this case. His conclusion - and that of other mental health professionals I actually have spoken with about this case - was that there was no reason to believe she did this on purpose. The mother thing is just not valid - although she had very little contact or communication with her mother, she did have some. The fact that her mother would have been around her brother's kids was not new to her.

I do also want to make a comment re the issue of her going North instead of South on 9A, which is the likely route she probably took to end up where she was. I lived there when this happened and I have actually ended up going the wrong way on this road - North instead of South - it is very easy to do and even if she were stone cold sober, that would not have been surprising. I think she did what I did and wanted to head back south by using the Taconic which would have taken her directly to 287 - the road she should have been on. If she wanted to kill herself and everyone else, she didn't have to veer that much out of her way to do it. She was already poised to take care of that when she got off the Tappan Zee bridge.

However, I do agree with you that the Thursday no-show by Daniel is a very likely answer to why she lost it. I think it played a major part in this tragedy.
 
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I think we would have a much better, adult conversation if people would take some time to really read the posts. Unless I have missed something, not one individual has suggested that this tragedy was simply an accident.

I don't think its a fair assumption that we're not reading posts because we post something you disagree with or find unreasonable. I have seen the word "accident" used frequently here, and I take issue with it.


Also, previous comments that definitively declared Diane Schuler an alcoholic might make the person posting it feel good, but those accusations are not based on fact or evidence, but rather anger which really doesn't help advance an intellectual conversation. If I wanted to listen to people who simply want to spew anger, I could just turn on Sean Hannity.

Seriously? I don't see anyone here gloating about Diane's behavior. I would rather believe in the functional alcoholic/blackout theory than mass murder-suicide...It doesn't mean I enjoy considering it or feel superior to Diane in any way. Her state of mind that last day of her life keeps me up at night.
 
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Opinion of addiction expert on documentary:


For anyone who has worked with alcoholics and addicts, one of the most striking facts brought up in the documentary is that Diane and Daniel had totally opposite work schedules, so their only real time together was on the weekends. You can’t help but ask if that made it easier for Diane to maintain a secret drinking problem. The fact the documentary does not address this possibility is one of its most disappointing aspects. It is well known that women are more secretive about problem drinking and are very adept at hiding it, and that binge drinking among women is on the rise. It is also known that binge drinkers tend to behave much more recklessly than regular drinkers.

According to Dr. Sack, Addiction Psychiatrist and CEO of Promises Treatment Centers, it is not uncommon for family members to minimize drinking behavior or dismiss occasional binge-drinking incidents as isolated incidents.

“Ignoring signs of binge drinking or other drug abuse is potentially very dangerous. Women tend to hide their substance abuse well. And if they binge drink only occasionally, family members will often underestimate the riskiness of this behavior,” Dr. Sack says.

But if she was only an occasional drinker, how could she manage to down 10 drinks in a short period of time? Sack says, “While binge drinkers will consume large quantities in short periods of time, the amount of alcohol in her system at the time of the crash would suggest someone with a fair degree of tolerance to alcohol.”

A 2007 study by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism found that about 19.5 percent of alcoholics are characterized as the “functional” type. They essentially lead double lives. They are viewed by others as very successful and hardworking, and they make sure no one discovers that they are using alcohol or other drugs in secret. In fact, it is their accomplishments that make it so easy to hide their alcohol problem. In these types of cases, they may almost seem “perfect” – and the family would be shocked to discover there is a problem. In fact, many of her friends were shocked to discover she smoked pot at all, which is now an undisputed fact. Diane’s sister-in-law was one of the few who knew about Diane’s secret pot habit; she says Diane smoked mostly to help her sleep.

Diane was the real breadwinner in the family (she earned 100K a year), and by all accounts an excellent mother who was very active in her kids’ lives. But the high-functioning alcoholic learns how to separate their personal and professional life from their drinking life. They are expert at it until something comes along and destroys the façade. In some cases, that might be a horrific car accident.

Studies have also shown that women are more likely to hide their alcoholic tendencies than men. Because women are the main caretakers of the family they may feel that any drinking should be hidden from family and friends. They will often drink alone – when the children are at school and husband is at work. They tend to choose clear, odorless drinks like vodka; they can easily disguise what they are drinking by putting it in a used water bottle or mixing with orange juice.

In the HBO documentary they did interview outside experts who supported the evidence that Diane was drunk at the time of the accident, but in an almost apologetic way. Dr. Werner Spitz, a respected medical examiner, was the only one who seemed to say to the Schulers that the results were what they were, what do you want us to do? He reiterated that the question of alcohol will always prevail.

Daniel Schuler doesn’t let anything deter him from proving his wife’s “innocence.” He has created his own bizarre theory about an abscessed tooth causing a stroke that made her mistake vodka for drinking water. He doesn’t really explain what she mistook the marijuana for, and he doesn’t explain how the vodka bottle ended up in the van in the first place.

Also appearing in the documentary was Dr. Harold Bursztajn, apparently to give a forensic psychiatry autopsy. He admits that people are seeking to preserve her memory by focusing on a medical event where there is no evidence in autopsy, but do we really need a forensic psychiatrist to tell us something so obvious? He never really discusses the possibility that Diane was expert at keeping her behavior secret. He seems to treat the case with kid gloves, as if he’s afraid he’ll offend the family. One can’t help but feel that someone simply needs to tell Daniel Schuler that he’s deluding himself and to move on.

The family hired an investigator to redo the toxicology exam, but the results were the same: Diane was very, very drunk and stoned. Daniel Schuler’s response? We should exhume the body and do another autopsy.

While it seems incredible that the documentarians could not find one person to acknowledge Diane may have had a problem, Dr. Sacks says this doesn’t necessarily mean no one suspected she had one, “It may only mean that they feel that the family has suffered enough.”

The video footage of her walking into a gas station without swaying or appearing intoxicated is used by Daniel to claim she couldn’t have really been drunk. However, her behavior in the video does not rule out intoxication – it may just indicate long-term abuse that has resulted in higher tolerance.

“When people have a high degree of tolerance to alcohol, they may appear completely awake and lucid despite very elevated alcohol levels. It is not unusual to see an alcoholic with a 0.3 level (for some this would be lethal) who appears coherent and alert,” say Dr. Sack.

Witness descriptions of Diane with hands at two and ten, driving full-speed ahead without acknowledging honking horns or swerving cars is consistent with a black out, says Dr. Sack. Daniel Schuler would like you to believe it’s more consistent with a stroke.

Schuler hired attorney Dominic Barbara to rehabilitate Diane’s image, but his association with other questionable “celebrity” characters just gives the whole case an even more unpleasant stench. He and his investigator, Tom Ruskin, have tried to create a phony mystery, a sense that something happened that was beyond Diane’s control. They do this by saying, how could a PTA mom and successful career woman, perfect in every way, just decide to drink 8-10 drinks and drive her children? They want you to believe that is impossible and makes no sense. However, anyone in the addiction treatment field knows this happens all the time. Mothers drive their children home from school drunk. They get away with it every day. The truth is it’s more surprising this sort of thing doesn’t happen more often.

Schuler is part of a disturbing trend in the United States: while the rate of drunk driving among men has been falling, it has been rapidly rising among women. Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) reports that they receive 17,000 child endangerment calls every year from individuals concerned that children are being driven by alcohol-impaired drivers, many of them mothers.

http://www.addictiontreatmentmagazi...iane-and-uncle-daniel-hbo-documentary-review/
 
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Agreed...Moreover, the 2 large OJs were purchased in advance of her intoxication. This was anything but an accident.

Correction from McDonald's video: Apparently the other drink was a coffee, not an OJ.
 
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In my opinion, She was an experienced solo drinker, but not a raging alcoholic. She knew the effects of the vodka and pot and used it to self medicate herself on an intentional murder/suicide. No doubt something, probably several things, came to a head that weekend with Danny, the kids, and her brother. I would speculate Danny got busted messing around that Thursday when he was supposed to be at the camp and that triggered her abandonment fears, (maybe they didn't fight in front of the kids and she never even let on she knew, waiting for later) then the nieces were probably talking about grandma (her estranged mother), her kids were probably asking about who is this grandma they have never met, then the phone call with her brother probably involved issues with the mother, the kids, and Danny in her drunken state. That was the last straw, she was probably hell bent on destroying herself up to that point, but that phone call put her over the edge on wanting to punish everyone in her life; her husband for the kids he never wanted and for screwing around on her, all the children for pushing mother issue (she could not allow her world of isolation form her mother collide with having to allow her children to see their grandmother), to her brother who probably told her to get over the mother issues and grow up. From the moment Warren said stay put i am coming to get you, she put the phone down so he couldn't track her and she went north, where she knew he would not find her. She was probably drinking mixed vodka and OJ all morning, but at that point she probably started swigging the mass quantities of vodka they found in her stomach. It is really a simple case of pushing all her buttons at once and she cracked. She was crazy, not ill Plain and simple, crazy and drunk.

I can't prove any of what you say wrong. But I do want to point out that Diane Schuler drove the wrong way for almost two miles while umpteen cars moved out of her way.

There is no testimony that she swerved and tried to run into any of them.

This is opposed to other suicide-by-auto attempts I've heard of where the suicidal driver deliberately swerved into on-coming traffic.

Diane's was a strange "suicide" (if that's what it was). Not only did she take her kids and three nieces with her, but she didn't try to hit oncoming cars; she just kept driving in the hopes that somebody would finally come along and neglect to swerve out of her way.
 
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I actually think there could be other explanations....

Thank you, RS. I recognize the wisdom in your statement that Diane Schuler and I are different people with possibly very different reactions to alcohol. But how do I try to understand her behavior without comparing it to what I would do under similar circumstances? (Certainly this is what juries do all the time.)

She was 36, not 16. I have trouble believing a 36-year-old woman would have so little experience with alcohol (there's no evidence that she came from a teetotaling sect) that she wouldn't realize a soda-can's worth of vodka would mix poorly with driving a car.

To me, drinking that much on a Sunday morning is more consistent with being a regular drinker than with "accidentally" pouring too much vodka into a cup of orange juice.

Vodka is only "tasteless" relative to some other liquors. Eight to ten ounces, even in a large o.j. cup, would be too strong for me to drink.

(ETA this is in no way intended to contradict my previous defense of Dan Schuler. I think he may very well be in denial about Diane and my heart goes out to him (even if he himself helped to contributed to her problems).)
 
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Thank you, RS. I recognize the wisdom in your statement that Diane Schuler and I are different people with possibly very different reactions to alcohol. But how do I try to understand her behavior without comparing it to what I would do under similar circumstances? (Certainly this is what juries do all the time.)

She was 36, not 16. I have trouble believing a 36-year-old woman would have so little experience with alcohol (there's no evidence that she came from a teetotaling sect) that she wouldn't realize a soda-can's worth of vodka would mix poorly with driving a car.

To me, drinking that much on a Sunday morning is more consistent with being a regular drinker than with "accidentally" pouring too much vodka into a cup of orange juice.

Vodka is only "tasteless" relative to some other liquors. Eight to ten ounces, even in a large o.j. cup, would be too strong for me to drink.

(ETA this is in no way intended to contradict my previous defense of Dan Schuler. I think he may very well be in denial about Diane and my heart goes out to him (even if he himself helped to contributed to her problems).)

Twinkiesmom...thanks for the clarification about the 2nd cup being coffee, not OJ...that convinces me that she was a seasoned drinker...No possible way you could not taste 10 oz of vodka in a large orange juice...I would venture to say a light drinker would possibly gag on that ratio of vodka to OJ. Even if it was a 32 oz cup (do they sell OJ's that large?) that's almost a 3/1 ratio. Nope...not for a non drinker. IMO...
 
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I don't think its a fair assumption that we're not reading posts because we post something you disagree with or find unreasonable. I have seen the word "accident" used frequently here, and I take issue with it.

This wasn't totally about you. My assumption that people were not carefully reading posts results from my experience reading a number of follow up posts from people who have not really grasped what was being said by many people, not just me. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. I know that there are some who don't agree with me and I respect posts from people who have differing opinions. I think it would be pretty useless if we all agreed; what would be the point of this forum? I do, however, have problems with posts in response to ANYONE when it is obvious the writer just wants to expose their anger rather than addressing what actually was posted. With regard to the comment I made about the use of "accident" it actually was responding to your post in which you told someone that used the word that this was "anything but an accident". I was simply pointing out that the person's post was not really read and comprehended - he/she had not suggested it was an "accident". Stay cool.:seeya:
 
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I can't prove any of what you say wrong. But I do want to point out that Diane Schuler drove the wrong way for almost two miles while umpteen cars moved out of her way.

There is no testimony that she swerved and tried to run into any of them.

This is opposed to other suicide-by-auto attempts I've heard of where the suicidal driver deliberately swerved into on-coming traffic.

Diane's was a strange "suicide" (if that's what it was). Not only did she take her kids and three nieces with her, but she didn't try to hit oncoming cars; she just kept driving in the hopes that somebody would finally come along and neglect to swerve out of her way.

Yes, I drove that road every day back then and saw the skid marks of cars where they veered to the right to avoid her. It was reported by witnesses that she drove that same stretch of road in the correct direction moments before the crash (its in the witness statements), she was waiting for someone to end it for her, obviously she was in 'the zone' and just probably focusing on that white line and not even looking far ahead. It happened on a slight curve and hill so neither of them saw it coming. The true mark of a cowardice suicide. IN MY OPINION.
 
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(BBM)
Yes, I drove that road every day back then and saw the skid marks of cars where they veered to the right to avoid her. It was reported by witnesses that she drove that same stretch of road in the correct direction moments before the crash (its in the witness statements), she was waiting for someone to end it for her, obviously she was in 'the zone' and just probably focusing on that white line and not even looking far ahead. It happened on a slight curve and hill so neither of them saw it coming. The true mark of a cowardice suicide. IN MY OPINION.

RE:^ Hi voxrock, I've read the police reports numerous times now and that is not what is said by any witnesses in the report. The only witness' accounts of seeing Diane driving on the Taconic are when she entered the exit ramp on Pleasantville Rd. driving southbound on the northbound of the Taconic State Parkway for 1.7 miles. There are six 911 calls that took place from the time she entered the exit ramp on Pleasantville Rd. until the time of the crash - all other witness accounts are of seeing Diane elsewhere, specifically from the report itself, if you refer to #'s 27 (187 South), 41 (17 East), 42 (187 South/Ramapo Rest Area), and 59 (Rt. 17 East/187 South), you'll see that these are the only witness accounts of seeing (or noticing) Diane driving other than on the TSP. (Link to police report below). Am I missing something? TIA.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/policereport/schuler,%20diane_police_report.pdf
 
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RE:^ Hi voxrock, I've read the police reports numerous times now and that is not what is said by any witnesses in the report. The only witness' accounts of seeing Diane driving on the Taconic are when she entered the exit ramp on Pleasantville Rd. driving southbound on the northbound of the Taconic State Parkway for 1.7 miles. There are six 911 calls that took place from the time she entered the exit ramp on Pleasantville Rd. until the time of the crash - all other witness accounts are of seeing Diane elsewhere, specifically from the report itself, if you refer to #'s 27 (187 South), 41 (17 East), 42 (187 South/Ramapo Rest Area), and 59 (Rt. 17 East/187 South), you'll see that these are the only witness accounts of seeing (or noticing) Diane driving other than on the TSP. (Link to police report below). Am I missing something? TIA.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/policereport/schuler,%20diane_police_report.pdf

Police report - page 10, Item 39: Witness account stating "I intereviewed ____ who stated that at approximately 1:15 pm he was travelling north on the taconic state parkway, just north of the Sprain Brook Parkway when he was cut off by a red minivan travelling north with a female operator... he later saw a picture of Diane Schuler and believes it was her operating this vehicle."
 
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This was written in Addiction Treatment "Magazine" which appears to be an online promotional vehicle for a for-profit addiction-to-anything company in California. They seem to be able to cure anything. ("Addicted to snapping rubber bands? - give us a call." ) If folks click on the link (which is all that was really needed in the post) you will find that the review contained quite a few subjective comments about the parties involved and the lawsuits that were filed, which track with many of the opinions posted on this site, including my own. Although there are a number of things in this review that I agree with, I am somewhat of a stickler for knowing who writes these things. Is he/she really an expert? This magazine does not tell you who wrote this, or any other article in their "publication" for that matter. I may be wrong, and perhaps you have more information than I on this particular article which I would love to hear about, but I am inclined to think that it was written by a publicity person for the company which posts articles in an effort to gain clients. If it had been written by an addiction expert, I think he/she would have used his/her name.

Regardless, it has some interesting information and at least appears to be written by someone who knows something about the subject. It is too bad when companies do this because many people pick up things that have been written by lay people and they are not always helpful and sometimes downright dangerous.
 
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Police report - page 10, Item 39: Witness account stating "I intereviewed ____ who stated that at approximately 1:15 pm he was travelling north on the taconic state parkway, just north of the Sprain Brook Parkway when he was cut off by a red minivan travelling north with a female operator... he later saw a picture of Diane Schuler and believes it was her operating this vehicle."

The percentage of "eyewitness" accounts that are accurate is quite low, unfortunately. Also, the police have said a number of times that they have no reliable information re which road Diane used to travel North. I guess it matters little, but I still place my bet on 9A. If you look at the tangled mess of highways (87 and 287 for instance) you can see how someone could easily have taken a wrong turn north, especially intoxicated. She might have hit the Taconic at some point going North for a while (another mystery that probably will remain a mystery) but it is more likely that she was going North on 9A or one of the other "lesser" highways much closer to the Tappan Zee, and realized that she was going the wrong way, took another road to take her to the Taconic and ended up going the wrong way down the Pleasantville exit. If Diane had first gone North on the Taconic and then got off and turned around that would almost suggest she did it purposely (which I don't believe) unless she got off, drove for a while, and then tried to get back on going South. The geography lesson is now concluded. However, my degree is not in geography, so if anyone else who knows the area has an alternate idea, let me know.
 
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... how do I try to understand her behavior without comparing it to what I would do under similar circumstances? (Certainly this is what juries do all the time.)

I've thought about this myself...what would it take to make me "lose it" like that....well, I couldn't come up with anything - and I've been through a situation/found out information that enraged me to the point where I actually entertained the thought of doing something I won't admit to; however, my "common sense" or "rational side" kicked in relatively quickly and I abandoned the idea and the "I don't care if I spend the rest of my life in jail!" rationalization. What I will share relative to that is the fact that it had to do with catching my ex with another woman...I can honestly say I saw RED, it could've been really bad.

That being said, without knowing exactly where Daniel was on Thursday, and what transpired between him and Diane, we're somewhat up the creek when trying to put ourselves "in Diane's place."


To me, drinking that much on a Sunday morning is more consistent with being a regular drinker than with "accidentally" pouring too much vodka into a cup of orange juice.

Vodka is only "tasteless" relative to some other liquors. Eight to ten ounces, even in a large o.j. cup, would be too strong for me to drink.

I agree. As I've mentioned before (many posts ago), I'm Diane's size and I drink on occasion (pretty stiff vodka and cranberry or Patron), and I will say this - there's no way I could ingest that much alcohol and still be able to see/stand, let alone drive. On the other hand, if I was at the end of my rope and wanted to get blind drunk...maybe I could drink that much..I don't know...strange things can happen when a person is enraged/distraught and not in their right mind.
 
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She might have hit the Taconic at some point going North for a while (another mystery that probably will remain a mystery) but it is more likely that she was going North on 9A or one of the other "lesser" highways much closer to the Tappan Zee, and realized that she was going the wrong way, took another road to take her to the Taconic and ended up going the wrong way down the Pleasantville exit.

I don't think that's "more likely" at all. That would mean she consciously realized she was going the wrong way on one of those highways and then entered the Taconic headed the wrong way -- and ignored all the people waving at her at the exit ramp and ignored all the cars zooming toward her for 1.7 miles.

We'll probably never know with anything approximating certainty, but my money is on her either being in blackout-drunk mode or a suicide mission. Three of the witnesses in the documentary, among the last to actually see her, strongly sensed the latter.
 
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