9-24-2010 Putting the case together, will Misty crack?

[Linda7NJ]

I feel sorry for Misty. She was raised by wolves and she was used by Ron for sex and a free babysitter. I don't think she has a evil bone in her body. It's clear to me she's not the brightest bulb in the box and I really think LE wants to close this case and hope to get a confession out of her. Regardless if it's false or not.

Did she deal drugs? She did. Do drugs, you betcha. Is she a cold blooded murderer covering for one? I don't think so. I just can't see it.

Too bad she never knew the real meaning of family.

This case breaks my heart. For little sweet Haleigh and Misty both.

 

[dodie20]

I do too. I dont feel the same way about Misty as I do Casey. I beleive that Misty if given a chance could possably have a chance. Casey on the other hand had it all and all the oppurtunity she was just selfish and cold. I just think Misty doesn't know any better.

I can't stand Casey Anthony. I keep thinking...why didn't she just get a stinking job? A waitressing job would've cured 90% of her problems, but I guess she was too busy putting on airs. My daughter is a waitress & she makes darned good money. At least Misty tried to earn some money babysitting, which ironically was her downfall. Casey was a school drop-out, but she seems intelligent, unlike Misty. I think Casey coldbloodedly killed her daughter, whereas I believe if Misty's the killer, nothing was planned, except the cover-up. A lot of people compare the 2, but I don't see it. Actually, Ron, IMO, is more like Casey. Him selling drugs while his daughter was missing, reminds me of Casey, partying it up in bars. & that picture that Art posted? OMG, that was just like a Casey photo, except Ron & Misty didn't look as trendy. I can cut Misty some slack, on that one, because she wasn't Haeigh's mother, but how could Ron have posed for such a thing? one minute he's falling down & sobbing for the public cameras, & the next, he's tongue kissing Misty, for his private camera? & my gosh, Misty looked like a child, in that photo. This year has been tough on that girl.

 

[TxLady2]

I dunno... the Croslins seem to be a pretty close family, to me. I've heard the love in their voices when they talked to each other. I know similar families, only their problems were with alcohol, but they loved and supported each other no matter what.

I think if I had to choose between either a family who were straight-laced and all righteous but never showed each other an ounce of love, or one who never had a pot nor a window, yet deeply cared about each other, I would choose the latter.

Hank and Lisa married so young yet managed to stay together... that's more than most of Ron's family has done, or a lot of folks, to be honest. True, they did drugs and two of their kids turned out pretty bad... but sometimes that happens in the best of families.

But I do still have a little soft spot for Misty, and I hope she doesn't end up carrying the entire blame for what happened to Haleigh all by herself. As to whether she will crack or not... if she sees that she's going to prison until she's basically an old lady... she might decide it's not worth protecting whoever she's keeping silent for.

 

[bessie]

Butterfly, I hope you are feeling better.

The gun. Yes, there are many questions about why this gun is so special and why Ron would guard it or try to keep it secret that he owns such a gun.

In past posts, I have pointed out that I believe Ron would treasure owing such a gun. Simply because in my opinion it fullfills his image of himself as the "Godfather." Now, don't laugh, I think in few instances, Ron has shown himself as a great fan of the Godfather movies. He's quoted them and gone as far as using a dead animal (rat in Tommy's mailbox) as a threat.

Owning a machine gun, a vintage one, would complete the image Ron has of himself as the "Don." However, to me, this is not a gun Ron bought at a swap meet. I believe he stole it from someone. The big deal about owning this gun openly, is that federal laws demand the gun be registered with the feds. But, if the gun is "hot" there's no way he can register it or claim open ownership of the gun. Which in a way might have made Ron feel all the more like a gangster for having a machine gun.

Owning an unregistered machine gun carries really harsh penalties. Large fines and jail time in a federal prison not just the local county jail. And, if the gun was stolen from its original owner, that makes the crime even worse.

I believe, even though Ron would cherish showing off this gun to his drinking buddies or drug pals, he would do whatever to hide this gun. Even to the point of making it central focus of covering up his daughter's disappearance in order that LE not find out about the gun.

I'm beginning to feel like a broken record. I've stated these theories about the "gun" before. And while owning and showing off the gun to his peers was certainly an ego booster for Ron, having the gun was also a dangerous situation for him. Enough that he would go to any means to hide the gun from officials.

jmo

FWIW, AZ, I totally agree with your entire post. Oh...and I sympathize with the broken record syndrome.

For Butterfly...:cheerup:
I feel so bad for you. I had the same mess a few weeks ago, but without the broken rib. Ouch! Sending up a prayer for you.

 

[dodie20]

Thanks AZ and Bessie for the well wishes. I have bronchitis and strep throat and wound up cracking a rib from coughing. I have had 3 shots in the butt this week and I am on 6 different prescriptions including pain meds nothing much I can do but lay here on the lap top, but hardly anyone is on,,,,,,,, sorry to get off topic, but thanks for your concern.

I think I just over that same illness. I coughed so much & hard that every muscle in my back, stomach, etc...ached. I feel for your cracked rib. Actually, I'm in the process of devising a 'work-out' plan for my next bronchitis. I'm gonna make myself cough every day, so as to work all those unused musles, so when I get sick again, I'll be 'in shape'. lol, I'm only half kidding, because those cough pains are torture.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I feel sorry for Misty. She was raised by wolves and she was used by Ron for sex and a free babysitter. I don't think she has a evil bone in her body. It's clear to me she's not the brightest bulb in the box and I really think LE wants to close this case and hope to get a confession out of her. Regardless if it's false or not.

Did she deal drugs? She did. Do drugs, you betcha. Is she a cold blooded murderer covering for one? I don't think so. I just can't see it.

Too bad she never knew the real meaning of family.

This case breaks my heart. For little sweet Haleigh and Misty both.

I feel sorry for Misty too. I am not sure she was used by Ron. I think it was a two way street. Misty had gone with older guys than Ron. I just think Misty felt this was the only way she could stay off the streets and be able to live with Ron instead. It was a convenience on her part and his, imo.

But even though as a young girl I do feel at times she didn't want to be tied down with Haleigh and Jr., I do think she did care about them.

I have never felt Misty harmed Haleigh. She may do drugs and like to party hardy but I just don't see her as a killer.

I do think she knows without a doubt who did this to Haleigh and was there when it happened. I think she has told what happen among the lies she has also told.

I think because of Misty's ignorance she felt because she knew what happened to Haleigh and was there she was scared to tell the truth but little by little it has come out.

Hopefully LE can find supporting evidence to what she has told them and piece it altogether for Haleigh's sake.



IMO

 

[bessie]

I don't put Misty in the same category as Casey, who is a most unusual person. :whistle: Misty's not of the same ilk, but I do believe she's a world class liar who will say anything to get her way or save her butt. If she hasn't "cracked" yet I don't think she ever will. Not because she enjoys being in jail, though I do agree she might appreciate having discipline and structure in her life for the first time, but not so much that she's willing to sit back and take a murder rap. If Misty had anything to bargain with, she'd use it.

So why no deal for Misty? 'Cause she ain't got nuthin'. And why is that? Two possibilities:

1. Either she knows nothing because she wasn't there, which doesn't fit. Someone would've vouched for her.
2. Or, she bears more culpability than anyone else. The truth won't set her free.

After watching this tragedy unfold for nineteen months now and looking at every conceivable angle, nothing else adds up for me. Now, if new information comes to light, I'll gladly change my opinion in a heartbeat. Misty's been dealt a bad hand, and it's very sad to think that she'll spend her life behind bars. But for now, this is how it stands with me.

I don't believe Misty plotted to kill Haleigh. If my reasoning is correct, whatever she did occurred on the spur of the moment. (Uh-oh, I hear the needle starting to scratch the vinyl.) Misty was under a lot of emotional stress in the days leading up to February 9th with Hank's accident and being thrown on the street by Ron. Then she taxed her system further with alcohol and drugs on the weekend. Another big argument with Ron or crazy cousin Joe harrassing her about the gun threw her over the edge. I don't think that's too much of a stretch.

If Misty lost control and killed Haleigh, there's no doubt in my mind that she'd be devastated because I do believe she cared about those two kids. She'd also be frightened out of her wits, of Ronald and of the law, in which case she'd lie, lie, lie because that's what has worked for her in the past. So she lied to Ron, who in turn had her lie to LE to save his butt over some stupid gun. More lies to Crystal, lies to reporters, and finally a wedding, which was another big lie. Truth and lies, lies and truth, woven so tightly that they've become indistinguishable, wrapped around Misty like a man-eating vine that she can't escape. The real question, then, might not be "will she crack?" but "can she crack?". I'm not sure she can.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I can't stand Casey Anthony. I keep thinking...why didn't she just get a stinking job? A waitressing job would've cured 90% of her problems, but I guess she was too busy putting on airs. My daughter is a waitress & she makes darned good money. At least Misty tried to earn some money babysitting, which ironically was her downfall. Casey was a school drop-out, but she seems intelligent, unlike Misty. I think Casey coldbloodedly killed her daughter, whereas I believe if Misty's the killer, nothing was planned, except the cover-up. A lot of people compare the 2, but I don't see it. Actually, Ron, IMO, is more like Casey. Him selling drugs while his daughter was missing, reminds me of Casey, partying it up in bars. & that picture that Art posted? OMG, that was just like a Casey photo, except Ron & Misty didn't look as trendy. I can cut Misty some slack, on that one, because she wasn't Haeigh's mother, but how could Ron have posed for such a thing? one minute he's falling down & sobbing for the public cameras, & the next, he's tongue kissing Misty, for his private camera? & my gosh, Misty looked like a child, in that photo. This year has been tough on that girl.

BBM...
Hi Dodie, Casey could have also been a hairdresser. I have known hairdressers that dorve Mercedes, and vacationed in Europe and fancy ski trips. Casey was spoiled rotten, and knew she didn't need an education because her parents would always take care of her... Back On/T, I believe that Misty really may not have all the facts about what happened to Haleigh. I feel she and possibly her family have been set up from the beginning, and she is just guessing as she makes up these stories. I hope she is realizing that now, and starts telling what she does know...MOO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I don't put Misty in the same category as Casey, who is a most unusual person. :whistle: Misty's not of the same ilk, but I do believe she's a world class liar who will say anything to get her way or save her butt. If she hasn't "cracked" yet I don't think she ever will. Not because she enjoys being in jail, though I do agree she might appreciate having discipline and structure in her life for the first time, but not so much that she's willing to sit back and take a murder rap. If Misty had anything to bargain with, she'd use it.

So why no deal for Misty? 'Cause she ain't got nuthin'. And why is that? Two possibilities:

1. Either she knows nothing because she wasn't there, which doesn't fit. Someone would've vouched for her.
2. Or, she bears more culpability than anyone else. The truth won't set her free.

After watching this tragedy unfold for nineteen months now and looking at every conceivable angle, nothing else adds up for me. Now, if new information comes to light, I'll gladly change my opinion in a heartbeat. Misty's been dealt a bad hand, and it's very sad to think that she'll spend her life behind bars. But for now, this is how it stands with me.

I don't believe Misty plotted to kill Haleigh. If my reasoning is correct, whatever she did occurred on the spur of the moment. (Uh-oh, I hear the needle starting to scratch the vinyl.) Misty was under a lot of emotional stress in the days leading up to February 9th with Hank's accident and being thrown on the street by Ron. Then she taxed her system further with alcohol and drugs on the weekend. Another big argument with Ron or crazy cousin Joe harrassing her about the gun threw her over the edge. I don't think that's too much of a stretch.

If Misty lost control and killed Haleigh, there's no doubt in my mind that she'd be devastated because I do believe she cared about those two kids. She'd also be frightened out of her wits, of Ronald and of the law, in which case she'd lie, lie, lie because that's what has worked for her in the past. So she lied to Ron, who in turn had her lie to LE to save his butt over some stupid gun. More lies to Crystal, lies to reporters, and finally a wedding, which was another big lie. Truth and lies, lies and truth, woven so tightly that they've become indistinguishable, wrapped around Misty like a man-eating vine that she can't escape. The real question, then, might not be "will she crack?" but "can she crack?". I'm not sure she can.

BBM...
Hi Bessie, you have made some good points. But my opinion about the stress of what was happening in Misty's life...I really think she enjoys all this type of "stress." I believe she, and most of the other players in this case, are a bunch of drama queens, and pretty much all they have going on in their lives are drugs and all the drama they can create. Look at GM Flo. She is the same. She is so ready to be on TV again and again, and create one story after another. They love the attention. That's why truth, lies, it doesn't matter, as long as someone is giving them attention. So sad... MOO

 

[krkrjx]

BBM...
Hi Bessie, you have made some good points. But my opinion about the stress of what was happening in Misty's life...I really think she enjoys all this type of "stress." I believe she, and most of the other players in this case, are a bunch of drama queens, and pretty much all they have going on in their lives are drugs and all the drama they can create. Look at GM Flo. She is the same. She is so ready to be on TV again and again, and create one story after another. They love the attention. That's why truth, lies, it doesn't matter, as long as someone is giving them attention. So sad... MOO

I also think Misty and the others thrive on drama. But, I agree with bessie that Misty would have been devastated if she had accidentally killed Haleigh. The only thing I question in my mind is how long that devastation would last in the environment Misty was in in the days and weeks following the crime. Seemed to me that RC and TN were standing by Misty and supporting her in a lot of ways, and Misty appears to me to be the kind of person who cannot sustain true emotion for any length of time. IOW, with the support Misty got from those around her from the get-go, she could have rebounded from any feelings of conscience that she might have felt had she not had everyone assuring her everything would be OK.

And at this late date it might be too late for Misty to revisit any feelings of conscience that she might ever have had over Haleigh. This is not to say I believe Misty killed Haleigh; I do not think she did, yet I cannot say I am totally convinced that she didn't. I do think, however, that Misty has some information about that night that she has not told.

JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

So Sorry to hear about your illness, butterfly. Dodie, glad to hear your recovering.

 

[krkrjx]

We need some jailhouse tapes/videos. They suddenly stopped with the last conversations being from May IIRC. Normally I do not like seeing any of their faces or hearing their voices but right about now I would like to hear what Misty might have been talking about with family around the time Tommy was sentenced...and would love to hear her comment on Ron's deal. It is possible Misty has not had regular visitors in recent weeks but I think she would still have had phone conversations.

 

[dodie20]

I don't put Misty in the same category as Casey, who is a most unusual person. :whistle: Misty's not of the same ilk, but I do believe she's a world class liar who will say anything to get her way or save her butt. If she hasn't "cracked" yet I don't think she ever will. Not because she enjoys being in jail, though I do agree she might appreciate having discipline and structure in her life for the first time, but not so much that she's willing to sit back and take a murder rap. If Misty had anything to bargain with, she'd use it.

So why no deal for Misty? 'Cause she ain't got nuthin'. And why is that? Two possibilities:

1. Either she knows nothing because she wasn't there, which doesn't fit. Someone would've vouched for her.
2. Or, she bears more culpability than anyone else. The truth won't set her free.

After watching this tragedy unfold for nineteen months now and looking at every conceivable angle, nothing else adds up for me. Now, if new information comes to light, I'll gladly change my opinion in a heartbeat. Misty's been dealt a bad hand, and it's very sad to think that she'll spend her life behind bars. But for now, this is how it stands with me.

I don't believe Misty plotted to kill Haleigh. If my reasoning is correct, whatever she did occurred on the spur of the moment. (Uh-oh, I hear the needle starting to scratch the vinyl.) Misty was under a lot of emotional stress in the days leading up to February 9th with Hank's accident and being thrown on the street by Ron. Then she taxed her system further with alcohol and drugs on the weekend. Another big argument with Ron or crazy cousin Joe harrassing her about the gun threw her over the edge. I don't think that's too much of a stretch.

If Misty lost control and killed Haleigh, there's no doubt in my mind that she'd be devastated because I do believe she cared about those two kids. She'd also be frightened out of her wits, of Ronald and of the law, in which case she'd lie, lie, lie because that's what has worked for her in the past. So she lied to Ron, who in turn had her lie to LE to save his butt over some stupid gun. More lies to Crystal, lies to reporters, and finally a wedding, which was another big lie. Truth and lies, lies and truth, woven so tightly that they've become indistinguishable, wrapped around Misty like a man-eating vine that she can't escape. The real question, then, might not be "will she crack?" but "can she crack?". I'm not sure she can.

there's a nagging voice in my head, that keeps telling me that Misty is guilty, but, I don't want to listen. You made some good points about her stress & frame of mind, & I remember the bus stop witness saying that Misty looked worn out & smacked Jr. That IMO, points to Misty's guilt, because the witness seemed to imply that this was out of her character. & she did claim to have been the last to see Haleigh. But, IDK. Actually, I haven't ruled out anyone, & can see them all as being capable of murder. & I also think about Flo's tale of Misty bashing Haleigh's head in with a board. Where in the heck did that come from? My very 1st impression of Misty, was that she had hit Haleigh with a baseball bat, so Flo's tale stuck with me. I can understand what would lead up to this, but I don't want to commit to the idea, because of Ron's actions after the disappearance, & because of Tommy's tales. He's done everything but flat out confess. It's almost as if these 3 made a pact to make their individual selves look as guilty as possible, in a ploy to create confusion. weird.

 

[bessie]

We need some jailhouse tapes/videos. They suddenly stopped with the last conversations being from May IIRC. Normally I do not like seeing any of their faces or hearing their voices but right about now I would like to hear what Misty might have been talking about with family around the time Tommy was sentenced...and would love to hear her comment on Ron's deal. It is possible Misty has not had regular visitors in recent weeks but I think she would still have had phone conversations.

I know what you mean about the tapes,krkrjx. They're difficult to listen to and watch, but I'd kill for transcriptions of some recent conversations.

 

[dodie20]

BBM...
Hi Bessie, you have made some good points. But my opinion about the stress of what was happening in Misty's life...I really think she enjoys all this type of "stress." I believe she, and most of the other players in this case, are a bunch of drama queens, and pretty much all they have going on in their lives are drugs and all the drama they can create. Look at GM Flo. She is the same. She is so ready to be on TV again and again, and create one story after another. They love the attention. That's why truth, lies, it doesn't matter, as long as someone is giving them attention. So sad... MOO

I've actually thought about what you've said, but honestly, even though Misty did get off on the drama, (no argument there), it was MOO, that Ron incouraged it. the same thing with the road rage. I felt Ron created that drama, to impress Misty. Personally, I thought he was trying to 1 up Donna Brock...Ron, IMO, loves negative bad boy attention, & those 2 feed off each other. One more thing, but it's hard to explain. I got the impression Ron liked the drama because it was a diversion from Haleigh...like he was trying to change the whole thing from sad & horrible, to gangster & exciting.

 

[krkrjx]

I know what you mean about the tapes,krkrjx. They're difficult to listen to and watch, but I'd kill for transcriptions of some recent conversations.

Me too! I would do just about anything to be able to listen to some recent conversations of Misty's or even some of the last ones of Tommy.

(OK, I wouldn't kiss Ronald Cummings--goodbye or otherwise. Eeewww!)

 

[bessie]

I've actually thought about what you've said, but honestly, even though Misty did get off on the drama, (no argument there), it was MOO, that Ron incouraged it. the same thing with the road rage. I felt Ron created that drama, to impress Misty. Personally, I thought he was trying to 1 up Donna Brock...Ron, IMO, loves negative bad boy attention, & those 2 feed off each other. One more thing, but it's hard to explain. I got the impression Ron liked the drama because it was a diversion from Haleigh...like he was trying to change the whole thing from sad & horrible, to gangster & exciting.

I agree with you and Nonnie about the "drama". People who grow up in dysfunctional families with drug and/or alcohol abuse learn to thrive on drama and sometimes have a hard time adjusting to a life without chaos and disharmony. So they create it. It's one of the reasons the cycle continues from one generation to the next. That's not quite what I was referring to about Misty earlier, but it's a good point.

Your thought at the end about Ron taking the tragedy to another level or adding a different dimension to it is very interesting. I've never looked at it that way. He did lose a precious daughter, and considering his disposition and the circumstances by which she died, it's reasonable that he would act out in some way. He does seem to have a fascination with gangsters. That just made me think of the the Godfather III when Michael's daughter was killed by a bullet meant for him. I wonder if Ron used that scene or a similar one as a basis for a crazy fantasy to romanticize Haleigh's death, or even in some way make it noble.

 

[suspicious1]

I have to wonder if Misty even cares anymore. She looked so defeated the last couple times we saw her, albeit briefly on video, in court.

I also wonder why none of Misty's charges have been reduced. Reduction of charges is very commonly agreed to by state attorneys because it avoids the hassle and expense of going to trial. It's true Misty cannot refute any of her charges because they are all on videotape, but I still believe the court might have entertained a Motion from the defense for reduction of charges. To me, that's just a given defense strategy prior to pleading on any charge. So I wonder why Fields has not done so. And if he asked for that and was told no way would it happen, he should have held out for taking this to trial in both counties, IMO. It almost never hurts to ask, but it almost always hurts if you don't--so why didn't the defense ask for something for Misty? The only answers I can come up with are either Fields is confident Misty will get YO status or Misty has told him she no longer cares what happens to her.

In either case, Misty really has no motivation to talk further to LE about Haleigh. She expects a light sentence or she expects the book thrown at her and simply doesn't care, IMO. And in either case, I would think Misty would not be covering for anyone anymore and that she has told LE about Ron and/or his clan...and either they listened to her or they didn't.

JMO.

ETA: I should add that if Misty is charged with homicide, things may change quickly.

Hey krkrjx, was it Misty's lawyer who said they had a surprise witness?? I'm not really sure. I just remember something about a surprise witness. Does anyone else remember this?

 

[justus4all]

With the pressure being put on Misty, thru the sentencing of Ron and the pressure of the LE on her to talk....IMO...Misty is going to have to tell the facts...like it or not...

If she did not take Haleigh's life......what part of the cover up would be so damning that she could think about suicide....(if this suicide watch is true)

Or...is she fearful that Ron is turning against her...and she doesn't want to live without him...

MOO....Misty needs to talk...some truth...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

With the pressure being put on Misty, thru the sentencing of Ron and the pressure of the LE on her to talk....IMO...Misty is going to have to tell the facts...like it or not...

If she did not take Haleigh's life......what part of the cover up would be so damning that she could think about suicide....(if this suicide watch is true)

Or...is she fearful that Ron is turning against her...and she doesn't want to live without him...

MOO....Misty needs to talk...some truth...

I think she has already told some truths but it is the time now that she and her lawyer needs to come to the DA and lay everything on the table and tell them minute by minute what happened that night and who was there and who did what to Haleigh. And she has got to tell them all and then agree to take a polygraph and pass this time, imo.

I don't think the hold back has anything to do with losing RC. She hasn't been around Ron since January. I think the poor girl was trying to protect herself and her own family but all that has just got to stop in its tracks now because if she doesn't come clean now the DA is going to recommend that she do many years in prison on the drug charges.

I think that is why Misty's sentencing date was setup last.

The last interview she had with police last Friday was a straight in her face interview, imo. I feel it became very heated in there.

I hope she does the right thing for Haleigh's sake.


IMO