911 Call- THE TRUTH

[SisterSocks]

Originally posted by Shylock
Sis, have you been following this whole saga?
Limp Wood claims there is NO conversation at all on the end of the tape. No "Help me Jesus"--no nothing. He claims Thomas is a liar and the BPD made the whole story up to make the Ramseys look guilty.

Now that anyone who listens can hear Patsy's voice, it's obvious that what Thomas wrote is in deed fact, and Wood is the one with the wrong story.

I don't think we can call Wood a liar, because it appears he was given an edited tape by Keenan that ended well before the recorded part in question.

And I think that the CD version which DOES contain Patsy's voice, but also contains a 4-5 second gap right after it, virtually gaurantees that Thomas is also right about John and Burke's voice being on it.

Well so what does it prove ? It sure as hell don't say they killed her ....

Even if Burke said" What did you find" , he was probably scared.

Who cares about Help me jesus and a 4 or 5 second pause Shy ?

I just don't think THIS saga has anything to make me jump off the fence about .

So what they lied! You all been calling them liars for years.

You'd think they had evidence with John holding a maglite and Patsy holding a sharpie ready to attack, and Burke running around with his nintendo 64 killing Mario. :dontknow:

Humm? Maybe the intruder was holding the writing Pad?


I just wonder if they checked the Ramseys hands for sharpie mark's? I doubt it -- BPD ruined this murder case. Steve Thomas tained it with his Book --- Lou Smit Tainted it with intruder theories....And all the while you guys are cling to 4 or 5 seconds of 911 tape.... GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Socks

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by Tricia
It is very apparent that Wood is saying there is "nothing" at the end of the tape. Nothing means Nothing. It doesn't mean only Patsy.

Don't you just love lawyer talk?

Speaking of lawyer talk...

Wood never addresses Patsy's "Help me Jesus." But he repeatedly refers to the the (alleged) conversation.

Technically, "help me Jesus" is not a conversation or part of a conversation. The conversation - John and Burke speaking to each other - is on the part of the tape that was erased. Wood knows that that part of the tape - the conversation - was erased and that therefore the conversation is not there, just as he says.

Wood on The Today Show:
They [the BPD] lied about this idea that there was a conversation with John and Patsy and Burke after Patsy tried to hang up the phone...And this alleged conversation with John and Patsy and Burke, it's not there.

Wood on The Abrams Report:
...the same type tape that was tested by the Boulder Police Department and there is no conversation on there.... There’s about five or six seconds of noise. There’s no conversation there. It’s not Burke. It’s not John. It’s not Patsy.

Even when he says It’s not Patsy, he is referring to Patsy in the context of the conversation, and "Help me Jesus" is not a conversation.

The closest he comes to saying there is no "Help me Jesus" is in The Abrams Report when he claims that The operator only says Patsy four times and it’s followed by about five or six seconds of noise, probably keyboard typing because he is clearly claiming there is no voice there (and hence no "Help me Jesus"), although he is hedging by using the words "noise" and "probably."

My point is: Wood knew the conversation was erased and he felt confident in publicly claiming the conversation didn't exist. Patsy's "Help me Jesus" was not part of that conversation.

Question: How did he know it was erased and who erased it?

 

[Maxi]

Socks, it's all about inconsistency. When something a witness or suspect says is inconsistent with other statements or with evidence, it raises red flags.

If the Ramseys had nothing to hide, why would they lie about something like whether or not Burke was awake and talking during the 911 call? Even if it's only a few seconds, it's still important. If it is proven that Burke's voice is on the tape, the Ramseys will have some explaining to do.

 

[SisterSocks]

Maxi , I just don't think that tape is going to do anything to help this case.

I actually found a few more lies that mean more than those 4 or5 seconds.

Like Patsy saying she never heard of John's affair that cost him his first marriage. John says she was intrumental in helping rid himself of the fatal attraction. Who do you believe ? Neither one right?

Sure they lie.

Inconsistency no doubt , I don't think that makes them killers.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Tricia
Show Me. I wish I knew. I have now told you everything I do know. I have come clean...LOL..

I will advise you all to watch for a wonderful press release coming soon regarding Patsy and the "help me Jesus" revelation. It will be connected to the petition.

Take a look at the front page of FFJ. Thanks to Dunvegan for putting this up.

www.forumsforjustice.org

Thank you for the above URL (911 call that Patsy stated "We have a kidnapping!") ...

IMHO how can Patsy or "WE" know/believe a "kidnapping" occurred when she didn't read the WHOLE RANSOM NOTE and she didn't give any additional info as to WHY SHE WOULD BELIEVE JONBENET WASN'T THEIR (ALIVE/DEAD)... IMHO a kidnapping (per se) is when someone(JonBenet) is REMOVED FROM HOME/PREMISES...as in not where she is suppose to be... how would Patsy in her panic/911 call know it was a "kidnapping"?(We just woke up and she wasn't their?hello?)

... OR DID SHE PLAN/KNOW WHAT WAS TO COME(BE BELIEVED)?

Entry: kid·nap
Pronunciation: 'kid-"nap
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -napped or kid·naped /-"napt/; -nap·ping or -nap·ing
Etymology: probably back-formation from kidnapper, from kid + obsolete napper thief
Date: 1682
: to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom
- kid·nap·pee or kid.nap.ee noun
- kid·nap·per or kid.nap.er noun

Pronunciation Key
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IMHO ... common sense says that was the 1st clue that it wasn't a "kidnapping" since she couldn't tell the 911 operation WHO when asked "Do you know who" and Patsy said "WHAT?" ... off guard IMHO...!

 

[SisterSocks]

LOL You guys how funny--- gona get some Justice for Jon Benet.

LOL your knocking on the wrong door .

Try curtain number two...

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Maxi , I just don't think that tape is going to do anything to help this case.

I actually found a few more lies that mean more than those 4 or5 seconds.

Like Patsy saying she never heard of John's affair that cost him his first marriage. John says she was intrumental in helping rid himself of the fatal attraction. Who do you believe ? Neither one right?

Sure they lie.

Inconsistency no doubt , I don't think that makes them killers.

...justification for all ... it's called "coordination" and they (THE R's) were alittle off "coordination" in their story(ies), at that time, right/wrong (who the H.ll cares ... when their is a KILLER ON THE LOOSE?!) ...

 

[SisterSocks]

Yup Blaze that just what Maxi said a post or 2 up ....

 

[SisterSocks]

Indeed Blaze there is a Killer on the loose ...

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Maxi
Socks, it's all about inconsistency. When something a witness or suspect says is inconsistent with other statements or with evidence, it raises red flags.

If the Ramseys had nothing to hide, why would they lie about something like whether or not Burke was awake and talking during the 911 call? Even if it's only a few seconds, it's still important. If it is proven that Burke's voice is on the tape, the Ramseys will have some explaining to do.

Ditto ... inconsistency "says a thousand words + sum" IMHO.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Indeed Blaze there is a Killer on the loose ...

Do you believe Patsy believed "it was a kidnapping" in the 911 emergency call?

IMHO how can Patsy or "WE" know/believe a "kidnapping" occurred when she didn't read the WHOLE RANSOM NOTE and she didn't give any additional info as to WHY SHE WOULD BELIEVE JONBENET WASN'T THEIR (ALIVE/DEAD)... IMHO a kidnapping (per se) is when someone(JonBenet) is REMOVED FROM HOME/PREMISES...as in not where she is suppose to be... how would Patsy in her panic/911 call know it was a "kidnapping"?(We just woke up and she wasn't their?hello?)

... OR DID SHE PLAN/KNOW WHAT WAS TO COME(BE BELIEVED)?

Entry: kid·nap
Pronunciation: 'kid-"nap
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -napped or kid·naped /-"napt/; -nap·ping or -nap·ing
Etymology: probably back-formation from kidnapper, from kid + obsolete napper thief
Date: 1682
: to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom
- kid·nap·pee or kid.nap.ee noun
- kid·nap·per or kid.nap.er noun

Pronunciation Key
© 2001 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated
Merriam-Webster Privacy Policy

IMHO ... common sense says that was the 1st clue that it wasn't a "kidnapping" since she couldn't tell the 911 operation WHO when asked "Do you know who" and Patsy said "WHAT?" ... off guard IMHO...!

 

[SisterSocks]

Blaze , I (me ,myself)don't believe the Ramsey's kill JB.

BTW Why do you put all the words in dictionary ?
Really we all have the option to hit edit and look up a word ....
Its really a waste of band width. Thanks.

 

[Barbara]

SisterSocks,

You keep stating that the Ramseys, in your opinion, did not kill JonBenet, yet you are also stating that they lie quite often.

I just HAVE to ask: Why do you think they lie about all these "little" things that add up to quite a bit?

You make a lot of statements, yet you have not offered up your theory on this case, nor do you expound on your statements that you seem to put in absolutes. "Burke did not kill JB", Pam did not kill JB, The Ramseys didn't do it, "so what if they lie", etc., etc.

Why don't you tell us what you think about this case and the reasons the Ramseys tell so many lies? Personally, I am very curious about your theory. Share it with us.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Indeed Blaze there is a Killer on the loose ...

And hopefully none of us is in a direct line between Atlanta and Charlevoix--or we might get run over by said killer traveling in a high speed bus.

 

[Maxi]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Maxi , I just don't think that tape is going to do anything to help this case.

I actually found a few more lies that mean more than those 4 or5 seconds.

Like Patsy saying she never heard of John's affair that cost him his first marriage. John says she was intrumental in helping rid himself of the fatal attraction. Who do you believe ? Neither one right?

Sure they lie.

Inconsistency no doubt , I don't think that makes them killers.

Socks, it's not that the tape serves as evidence of the murder. It's just that if Burke's on it, it carries the implication that the Ramseys had reason to lie about the events of that morning. You gotta wonder why. Maybe they were just trying to protect Burke from the trauma of lots of police interrogation. Or maybe they were afraid he knew something that might come out under that interrogation.

As for John's affair, everybody lies about sex. I don't think it's any biggie.

 

[Spade]

I don't understand any reason for the Ramsey's to lie unless one of them killed JonBenet. I mean if you were really trying to help the police catch the kidnappers and get your daughter back safely, wouldn't you want to tell them the truth about every detail?

 

[sissi]

I can't imagine they have lied about anything.
The panic that set in when they found the note,and their daughter missing,may very well have been enough for their minds to take in,therefore blurring the details a bit,but a lie,I don't believe that.
Right after Patsy called 911,it is very possible Patsy made phone calls to her friends on a cell. She could well have said, Help me Jesus, could well have said,"I found a ......and the person on the other line responded..what did you find..a child from that home could have been awakened by the call,and said ..something,to which his parents respond...we're not talking to you. Whatever that conversation was,it wasn't from the Ramsey's kitchen or it would not have been necessary to have it enhanced.
JMO IMO

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by sissi
Whatever that conversation was,it wasn't from the Ramsey's kitchen or it would not have been necessary to have it enhanced.
JMO IMO

Thomas said all along that Patsy had trouble hanging up the phone. The conversation DID come from the Ramsey kitchen, it's just that none of the 3 of them were speaking directly into the phone at the time.

I don't know if this was the case in Boulder, but police departments have the ability to hold the phone line open when you call 911, making it impossible to hang up and use the phone. Years ago I had a 910 exchange where I lived. My young kids would constantly dial 911 by mistake. The police would hold the line open until a cop showed up at the front door making sure nobody seriously needed help.

 

[TLynn]

"So what they lied! You all been calling them liars for years."

And, it seems "we've" been right.

Thomas and/or the BPD should file suit against Wood for slander. It's John's philosphy (wasn't it in the context of Hitler?) - tell the lie often enough and people will believe it.

I remember the way posters were down on the VanDams because they "lied" about smoking pot. Actually, they just didn't mention it. Didn't think it was part of the investigation (and were probably scared because it was illegal).

Burke being awake IS part of the investigation - did he see anything, hear anything...etc.

If the Ramseys lie about that - then, you can't trust them to tell the truth about anything.

If Burke isn't on the tape, then his attorney wouldn't have gotten a copy before the Grand Jury testimony.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Maxi: If it is proven that Burke's voice is on the tape, the Ramseys will have some explaining to do.

Ned: Ah Maxi you have a good point, and I wonder, if the REAL enhancement is clear enough to reveal that the voice is that of a young boy, is it clear enough to match to a voice recognizer test. I don't know how these are performed or who does them, but I am sure this conversation between Burke and John could be confirmed by a voice analyzer. My thoughts are since this 911 tape has been released WHY hasn't Burke been called in for re-questioning and been allowed to hear the tape for himself?

Not even Lin Wood could stop that. So why isn't it being done, this is after all an OPEN murder investigation. I think a NEW petition should be written that DEMANDS that investigators confirm whether this 911 conversation really exsists or not.

If it does a PUBLIC statement should be made regarding the findings, which state unequively that the Ramsey's LIED in their statements to police regarding that events of that morning.

If ya can't get a confession, you put the pressure on the Ramsey's every day, until their life becomes unbearable. With public outcry soon they will have no where to run and hide.