911 Call

The problem with these tapes is the power of suggestion. Once you know what you're supposed to hear then that's what you will hear. And some tape videos on YouTube even have subtitles so you can read what you're meant to hear. I can hear something on the tapes but I can't say what it is I hear as it's not clear to me.
Exactly. The subtitles are a little misleading. When I listen without reading, I can hear different sounds plus hear how much PR slurs her words. For instance, she slurs so bad that if I didn't have a transcript, I'd think she was saying, 'she's right here', instead of 'she's not here'.
 
Try listening to it from these recordings...

This is just the beginning eight seconds of the 911 call:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/hfi0fb6i0hex8io/jbr-911-begining.mp3

This is the full 911 recording. The connection is made about ten seconds in from the start:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/fu3erup3bheq73c/Version-2.mp3

(The first "Hun" seems to be at the end of a sentence, and the second one the start of a new sentence that is interrupted by the 911 operator answering the phone.)
On the full version, at about 1:16, there's a spiraling down echo sound. Is this supposed to be PR wailing for Jesus? While listening, I noticed something I'd never heard before. During this spiraling sound, a voice very clearly says, 'I think so'. Was this supposed to be PR? or was it the operator?
 
On the full version, at about 1:16, there's a spiraling down echo sound. Is this supposed to be PR wailing for Jesus? While listening, I noticed something I'd never heard before. During this spiraling sound, a voice very clearly says, 'I think so'. Was this supposed to be PR? or was it the operator?
It tone sounded professional, like someone in the background at the police call center.

Does anyone know if they ruled out call center background noise.

Like you, I'm unclear which parts are supposed to be which words. It almost sounds like some male voice in the background distracts PR and she drops the phone.
 
I can't hear the Hun hun... Sounds like crying mumblings to me.

I found the 911 call to be oscar worthy. IMO
I think, as a mother, I empathize with her projected pain too much and found it pretty darn believable. I give Patsy's acting two thumbs up.

Beginning of the call
I didn't hear "hun". I hear what sounds like the tail end of "I'm calling 911". I can't tell the tone, so could mean nothing.

Toward the end of the call
I don't hear anything suspicious in the call. The background voices sound to me like they could have come from the 911 office, although maybe experts checked for that. People made much of that multiple listeners pulled out some of the same words of one enhanced version. Other labs that did different enhancements didn't pull out the same words. To me this means the words are just a coincidental product of ambient noise and the enhancement algorithm used.

Tone of the call
I agree with Linda7NJ that it sounds believable. She sounds maybe a little too out of breath, but I don't know what's normal for people in times of extreme stress.

Content of the call
The content sounds completely unbelievable, primarily because she shows no concern that calling the police will cause the kidnappers to harm her daughter.
She
  • She shows no concern that the kidnappers might still be around.
  • It sounds like she says "hi" at first, but it's not clear.
  • She's fast to give the address, but then seems to need prodding for the most basic details.
  • The way she says "I'm the mother" and "we have kidnapping" also makes it sounds like discussing a storyline rather than real life.
  • The way she says her age and hair color sounds like the way you might announce someone at a beauty pageant. OTOH maybe she was giving a physical description for the police to alert officers to look for.
  • Saying "hurry" doesn't make sense to me and is also inconsistent with her hanging up the phone.

Sorry to repeat some of my comments from earlier in this thread. I just think there's no hidden info in the background of the call, but the whole theme of the call is highly suspicious.
 
Here is a personal anecdote that may or may not be relevant to what it feels like to call 911 if the JBR kidnapping were real.

We had a string of burglaries in our midde/uppermiddle-class neighborhood a while ago. There were six burglaries, all a short walk from our house, in one 72-hour period. Most of them came through the garage. One morning we were getting the kids in the car and discovered someone had gone through the cars in the garage, pulled out the CDs and other odds and ends and placed them on the dash by the windshield. They could only have gotten into the garage through the garage door, a window, or the door from between the garage to the house. We inspected the window, and it hadn't been opened in ages. Our garage door has an opener; we hadn't heard of anyone hacking them. That left the door to the house! We thought of calling 911 right then. I did a search of the house-- no intruder or signs of burglary.

We had the CDs being out after putting the kids in a different car. When I talked to the kids, they had not known why were going through the other car nor why I ran back through the house. We asked about the CDs. The 5 y/o admitted he did it as we were going inside the night before. He was looking for a toy or something. He's never done that on his own, but I believed him b/c he didn't even realize what we had been freaking out about. Total false alarm!

My point of this anecdote is our reaction was completely different from the R's.
  • We both immediately checked all entry points / locks to work out how they go in.
  • My wife stayed near the kids and got ready to call 911 and/or flee if turned out there was an intruder.
  • I grabbed a Gerber and went through the house, including closets and basement, looking for anything disturbed or missing.

I understand a kidnapping is not comparable to someone rifling through a car and that people react differently, but I see no elements of fear of the intruder in the R's. If I were them I'd want to establish a perimeter of safety with my remaining family inside it. Then I'd want to work out what the $#@& is going on so I could get my kid back.

You don't see any of this in PR's 911 call. PR and JR seemed to carry on like "look what has happened to us" during and after the call. To be that successful, though, you have to be people of action. Where's the action? Action = one of them saying "Don't do anything overt yet. Give me until 8am. I'll do X. Can you please do Y." The lack of action is much more damning than background noise on the tapes.
 
In February 2013, statement analyst, Peter Hyatt, offered points to consider when listening to Patsy's deceptive 911 call. He begins by explaining examples of indicators for child sex abuse that behooves all of us to be aware of.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/insidelenz/2013/01/23/crime-wire

Mr. Hyatt mentions that when a caller addresses the 911 operator with a greeting then it is considered telling.

As Peter Hyatt notices during the 911 call, Patsy does not say: She has blond hair. Instead, she implies: She is [a] blond [female]. Why? PH reveals much more chilling information for us to consider.

Thanks for reposting it. Hyatt makes some powerful points. He points out how she never asked for help for JBR. The way he reads it really underscores that she says "Please" a lot without saying what she's asking for.

The interviewer is obviously a Wisconsinite, maybe from Green Bay. It felt like listening to a local radio show. I enjoyed the show.
 
Here is a personal anecdote that may or may not be relevant to what it feels like to call 911 if the JBR kidnapping were real.

We had a string of burglaries in our midde/uppermiddle-class neighborhood a while ago. There were six burglaries, all a short walk from our house, in one 72-hour period. Most of them came through the garage. One morning we were getting the kids in the car and discovered someone had gone through the cars in the garage, pulled out the CDs and other odds and ends and placed them on the dash by the windshield. They could only have gotten into the garage through the garage door, a window, or the door from between the garage to the house. We inspected the window, and it hadn't been opened in ages. Our garage door has an opener; we hadn't heard of anyone hacking them. That left the door to the house! We thought of calling 911 right then. I did a search of the house-- no intruder or signs of burglary.

We had the CDs being out after putting the kids in a different car. When I talked to the kids, they had not known why were going through the other car nor why I ran back through the house. We asked about the CDs. The 5 y/o admitted he did it as we were going inside the night before. He was looking for a toy or something. He's never done that on his own, but I believed him b/c he didn't even realize what we had been freaking out about. Total false alarm!

My point of this anecdote is our reaction was completely different from the R's.
  • We both immediately checked all entry points / locks to work out how they go in.
  • My wife stayed near the kids and got ready to call 911 and/or flee if turned out there was an intruder.
  • I grabbed a Gerber and went through the house, including closets and basement, looking for anything disturbed or missing.

I understand a kidnapping is not comparable to someone rifling through a car and that people react differently, but I see no elements of fear of the intruder in the R's. If I were them I'd want to establish a perimeter of safety with my remaining family inside it. Then I'd want to work out what the $#@& is going on so I could get my kid back.

You don't see any of this in PR's 911 call. PR and JR seemed to carry on like "look what has happened to us" during and after the call. To be that successful, though, you have to be people of action. Where's the action? Action = one of them saying "Don't do anything overt yet. Give me until 8am. I'll do X. Can you please do Y." The lack of action is much more damning than background noise on the tapes.
exactly. The operator should have heard JR running through the house screaming JB's name at the top of his lungs, and BR right beside PR, crying and scared at the turmoil. Panic causes some weird reactions, with many different things going on at once. In a situation like this, you would call 911 wanting help, but at the same time, you'd be in a certain denial, because a kidnapping and ransom would just be too much to absorb in one piece. You might be begging for help in finding your daughter, but 'surely there's a logical explanation because this is crazy...right'? And I think a caller would be looking for a certain reassurance that 'this stuff happens all the time and calm down, I'm sending somebody to help you find your daughter.' And the caller would be like, 'thank you, thank you, thank you'. But in this particular situation, instead of PR jumping around from emotion to emotion and looking for a more every day life explanation, she doesn't show even a hint of denial or shock that her daughter is being held for ransom, just total acceptance. IMO, she's so focused on the emotions of distraught, scared mother of kidnapped daughter, that she failed to realize that this reaction, by itself, wasn't very believable. Say cops got a call like this and went to the house and found that it was a kid's twisted idea of a joke. Say the brother wrote the note and had his sister hiding in his room. Wouldn't the cops be like, 'Lady! Why didn't you get your son up and check the house before putting yourself through all this fear'? And then if they listened to the 911, they would be dumbfounded at her total lack of common sense. But since this case wasn't a joke, nobody really questioned PR's lack of common sense. But it still should have been there. If nothing else, she should have yanked BR out of bed and asked him if he knew where his sister was, and then kept him by her side. Like I said, IMO, she was so focused on playing the 'distraught, scared mother' emotion, she forgot to add in the other emotions that real raw panic would have caused.
 
I know there has been claims that 3 voices are on the 911 call: Patsy, John and Burke. Some claim to have heard it. Some cannot hear it.

But is the fact that the Ramseys changed their original story from Burke being asleep to being awake that morning perhaps evidence of the fact they were trying to perhaps explain why his voice might have ( was?) on the tape should absolute evidence of it emerge? They were trying to pre-empt the possible suspicions thrown their way?

If anyone knows when the Ramseys changed their account vs when tests were done on the tape, I suppose that would cast light on the issue.

Yay or nay?
Forgive me for not searching for and posting links on all this, LFB, but I'll try to tell you what I remember because (as you say) it is telling as to the authenticity of the fact that BR's voice can be heard on the tape.

The Ramseys had filed suit against National Enquirer for something they had printed. The suit was settled out of court (my understanding is that it was a relatively small amount). As part of the settlement, the Ramseys agreed to sit down with NE editors for an exclusive interview “to set the record straight”. It was during that interview that they claimed they had found out that, contrary to their prior belief, Burke was indeed awake at some point around the time of the 911 call. (What choice did they have at that point since they found out that the recorded 911 call had his voice on it -- and they knew it to be true. Also, it was after BR's testimony before the GJ -- where they found out that he had admitted to being awake during the call.) And I say, “at some point around the time of the 911 call,” because they still seemed to not be sure whether to say he was awake before, after, or during the 911 call -- they changed their story several times during the interview, and then even called back after the interview to correct themselves again (probably after speaking with their lawyers, but that’s JMO).

Here is the article that was the result of their interview with NE:
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/04032001ramseyenquirer.htm

(BTW, anyone else catch the contradiction in the following exchange?):
In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.
"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.
"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."
 
Here is a personal anecdote that may or may not be relevant to what it feels like to call 911 if the JBR kidnapping were real.

We had a string of burglaries in our midde/uppermiddle-class neighborhood a while ago. There were six burglaries, all a short walk from our house, in one 72-hour period. Most of them came through the garage. One morning we were getting the kids in the car and discovered someone had gone through the cars in the garage, pulled out the CDs and other odds and ends and placed them on the dash by the windshield. They could only have gotten into the garage through the garage door, a window, or the door from between the garage to the house. We inspected the window, and it hadn't been opened in ages. Our garage door has an opener; we hadn't heard of anyone hacking them. That left the door to the house! We thought of calling 911 right then. I did a search of the house-- no intruder or signs of burglary.

We had the CDs being out after putting the kids in a different car. When I talked to the kids, they had not known why were going through the other car nor why I ran back through the house. We asked about the CDs. The 5 y/o admitted he did it as we were going inside the night before. He was looking for a toy or something. He's never done that on his own, but I believed him b/c he didn't even realize what we had been freaking out about. Total false alarm!

My point of this anecdote is our reaction was completely different from the R's.
  • We both immediately checked all entry points / locks to work out how they go in.
  • My wife stayed near the kids and got ready to call 911 and/or flee if turned out there was an intruder.
  • I grabbed a Gerber and went through the house, including closets and basement, looking for anything disturbed or missing.

I understand a kidnapping is not comparable to someone rifling through a car and that people react differently, but I see no elements of fear of the intruder in the R's. If I were them I'd want to establish a perimeter of safety with my remaining family inside it. Then I'd want to work out what the $#@& is going on so I could get my kid back.

You don't see any of this in PR's 911 call. PR and JR seemed to carry on like "look what has happened to us" during and after the call. To be that successful, though, you have to be people of action. Where's the action? Action = one of them saying "Don't do anything overt yet. Give me until 8am. I'll do X. Can you please do Y." The lack of action is much more damning than background noise on the tapes.
A few years back, my daughter had a 'questionable' boyfriend. They had been out and he called me and said they got into a fight and she jumped out of the car and took off walking. He told me the location, in front of a store, not too far from our house. My husband and I went to get her, looked everywhere and couldn't find her. Panic started setting in because it was about 2am and she didn't have her phone . So, we drove around some more and I asked some neighbors to help look for her. I called the bf back, and his story changed. Real, raw panic was setting in and I called 911, and what I remember is that jumping from emotion to emotion. One second I'd be calm giving directions, the next second I'd be freaking out because the operator spoke of my daughter in the past tense, and I was like 'don't you dare speak of my daughter in the past tense', and then I'd be calm again and then I remember jumping to, 'if the bf did something to my daughter, I'll go out there and kill him'. One second, I'd picture my daughter walking up the driveway, the next second I'd picture a horrible fight and him dumping her body in the woods. She finally made it home at about 3. She hadn't jumped out near our house, he stopped and pushed her out, in a terrible neighborhood. And lucky for her, it was an old school friend who stopped and gave her a ride. That was his neighborhood and he knew enough to be worried for my daughter. Anyway, I know not everybody is as nervous and panicy as I am, but even I tried to find my daughter before calling 911. Also, on a sidenote...I knew the bf and his mother very well and what I knew scared me. The mother had been investigated in a drug murder, and the son later, (after he and my daughter broke up,) was investigated for a murder. So, it just wasn't me overreacting. Writing all this made me so nervous, and oh, I'm so glad they're not together anymore.
 
Forgive me for not searching for and posting links on all this, LFB, but I'll try to tell you what I remember because (as you say) it is telling as to the authenticity of the fact that BR's voice can be heard on the tape.

The Ramseys had filed suit against National Enquirer for something they had printed. The suit was settled out of court (my understanding is that it was a relatively small amount). As part of the settlement, the Ramseys agreed to sit down with NE editors for an exclusive interview “to set the record straight”. It was during that interview that they claimed they had found out that, contrary to their prior belief, Burke was indeed awake at some point around the time of the 911 call. (What choice did they have at that point since they found out that the recorded 911 call had his voice on it -- and they knew it to be true. Also, it was after BR's testimony before the GJ -- where they found out that he had admitted to being awake during the call.) And I say, “at some point around the time of the 911 call,” because they still seemed to not be sure whether to say he was awake before, after, or during the 911 call -- they changed their story several times during the interview, and then even called back after the interview to correct themselves again (probably after speaking with their lawyers, but that’s JMO).

Here is the article that was the result of their interview with NE:
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/04032001ramseyenquirer.htm

(BTW, anyone else catch the contradiction in the following exchange?):
In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.
"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.
"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."

otg,
Excellent summary of BR's involvement in the 911 call. Well how can you be jolted awake if you have already made an audible appearance, so to speak, prior to being awakened?

Airbrushing BR out was the R's big mistake, by doing this we know they had something to hide. Once you factor in other forensic evidence, which places BR at critical locations, i.e. not JARS bedroom, and not his own bedroom, then BR becomes a viable suspect in the death of his sister?

Its a bit like JFK and the different bullets used!


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I tried otg's link and it works but the tape won't play for me. is it the version rendered by Aerospace? anyway, these are some old WS 911 links and one from acandyrose with the history of the enhanced tape

2005: enhanced 911 call - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


2008: "Geraldo" Show W/Enhanced Ramsey 911 Tape... - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


1998-2004: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-geraldo911tape.htm
Hey, gram. I don't know why the recording won't play for you. Try downloading the file you want, and then open it on your computer.

Right now,and probably for the rest of our lifetimes, the Aerospace enhanced tape is not public. You will see at Youtube and elsewhere recordings labeled as "enhanced" (I might have even named the file I worked on the same), but none were done with the equipment and skill that Aerospace Corporation has. Actually what I did was not enhance the recording -- I just cleaned it up so that any voices that are there will more easily stand out.
 
Forgive me for not searching for and posting links on all this, LFB, but I'll try to tell you what I remember because (as you say) it is telling as to the authenticity of the fact that BR's voice can be heard on the tape.

The Ramseys had filed suit against National Enquirer for something they had printed. The suit was settled out of court (my understanding is that it was a relatively small amount). As part of the settlement, the Ramseys agreed to sit down with NE editors for an exclusive interview “to set the record straight”. It was during that interview that they claimed they had found out that, contrary to their prior belief, Burke was indeed awake at some point around the time of the 911 call. (What choice did they have at that point since they found out that the recorded 911 call had his voice on it -- and they knew it to be true. Also, it was after BR's testimony before the GJ -- where they found out that he had admitted to being awake during the call.) And I say, “at some point around the time of the 911 call,” because they still seemed to not be sure whether to say he was awake before, after, or during the 911 call -- they changed their story several times during the interview, and then even called back after the interview to correct themselves again (probably after speaking with their lawyers, but that’s JMO).

Here is the article that was the result of their interview with NE:
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/04032001ramseyenquirer.htm

(BTW, anyone else catch the contradiction in the following exchange?):
In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.
"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.
"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."
Yes! I've noticed the contradictions. On the one hand, you have BR saying he faked sleep, but if PR was a screaming woman in terror, how could his parents even pretend to believe her screaming didn't wake him up? That's not a bit logical. And then at one point, (will have to look for a link), BR said he thought he heard his parents check his room. Shouldn't her screaming have woke him up and left no doubt that they were in there? Or were they quiet? which is the impression I got from BR. From what I read, he heard voices, but he never said he heard his mother in any kind of terror. And for JR to be so confused about BR being awake or not, how did he see the tears in his eyes??? especially if BR didn't admit to being awake until much later. pft...more JR speak and R logic. moo
 
Yes! I've noticed the contradictions. On the one hand, you have BR saying he faked sleep, but if PR was a screaming woman in terror, how could his parents even pretend to believe her screaming didn't wake him up? That's not a bit logical. And then at one point, (will have to look for a link), BR said he thought he heard his parents check his room. Shouldn't her screaming have woke him up and left no doubt that they were in there? Or were they quiet? which is the impression I got from BR. From what I read, he heard voices, but he never said he heard his mother in any kind of terror. And for JR to be so confused about BR being awake or not, how did he see the tears in his eyes??? especially if BR didn't admit to being awake until much later. pft...more JR speak and R logic. moo
Bingo!
 
The time or two I screamed... My kid came running to see what had happened.


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In a situation like this, you would call 911 wanting help, but at the same time, you'd be in a certain denial, because a kidnapping and ransom would just be too much to absorb in one piece. You might be begging for help in finding your daughter, but 'surely there's a logical explanation because this is crazy...right'?
Ten years ago two guys in a junky car pulled up in front of my window when I was at work and tried to pry it open with a crow bar. A neighbor walked up to them and asked what's going on. They said they were looking for Tiffany. He started to laugh and say, I don't think he knows a Tiffany, and people might get the wrong idea with your going to the window. Then the burglars fled, and he suddenly realized it was a real attempted robbery. The responding police officer told me this is the most common reaction to people witnessing a crime. "Wait, I must have seen something wrong. It can't be that."

As you point out, we see none of that from the Ramsey's.
 
Beginning of the call
I didn't hear "hun". I hear what sounds like the tail end of "I'm calling 911". I can't tell the tone, so could mean nothing.

Toward the end of the call
I don't hear anything suspicious in the call. The background voices sound to me like they could have come from the 911 office, although maybe experts checked for that. People made much of that multiple listeners pulled out some of the same words of one enhanced version. Other labs that did different enhancements didn't pull out the same words. To me this means the words are just a coincidental product of ambient noise and the enhancement algorithm used.

Tone of the call
I agree with Linda7NJ that it sounds believable. She sounds maybe a little too out of breath, but I don't know what's normal for people in times of extreme stress.

Content of the call
The content sounds completely unbelievable, primarily because she shows no concern that calling the police will cause the kidnappers to harm her daughter.
She
  • She shows no concern that the kidnappers might still be around.
  • It sounds like she says "hi" at first, but it's not clear.
  • She's fast to give the address, but then seems to need prodding for the most basic details.
  • The way she says "I'm the mother" and "we have kidnapping" also makes it sounds like discussing a storyline rather than real life.
  • The way she says her age and hair color sounds like the way you might announce someone at a beauty pageant. OTOH maybe she was giving a physical description for the police to alert officers to look for.
  • Saying "hurry" doesn't make sense to me and is also inconsistent with her hanging up the phone.

Sorry to repeat some of my comments from earlier in this thread. I just think there's no hidden info in the background of the call, but the whole theme of the call is highly suspicious.
for what it's worth, this is what I hear, or something close. unidentified voice:I think so... soft voice:by putting me out of this...loud voice:I kid you not (with cross talk:get off of me ), or, loud voice:I took it off of me...loud voice:How could you do it...soft voice:let it be. This isn't exactly what I hear, but it's close. What I don't hear is, help me Jesus, what do I do, what did you find, or we're not talking to you. And how can I listen FOR these words and still not hear them? moo
 
considering that we have the transcript of what was said, we should be able to hear those specific words. I'm not even hearing BR say enough words to accommodate the transcript. What I need is a word for word transcript scrolling while the words are being said. It just seems like since we know what words are there, we should be able to find and hear them on our own...a kind of, 'ah ha' moment, because there it is. Can someone point out the exact seconds where each of the sentences is supposedly said? I did read one transcript where the very last thing said was attributed to PR saying, 'help me'. Ok, I can buy that, but if this soft voice is hers, why is the other soft voice attributed to BR? They sound like the exact same voice to me. And if that's PR's saying help me, she sure wasn't wailing for Jesus. Whoever said that last sentence was speaking quietly. moo
 
I think the R lawyers had anything BR said redacted from the tapes and the transcripts. The first enhanced tape played on Geraldo has been "disappeared" and likely won't surface again. Later "enhanced" taped do not have BR's voice.
 
I think the R lawyers had anything BR said redacted from the tapes and the transcripts. The first enhanced tape played on Geraldo has been "disappeared" and likely won't surface again. Later "enhanced" taped do not have BR's voice.
Really? Wow! Now that makes sense and would explain why there aren't enough sentences to line up with the transcript. Who knows though, a lot of movement in this case...maybe the enhanced tape will resurface.
 

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