A Candlelight Vigil for Janet ~ join us

Welcome to WS NCGirl. Thank you for signing up and posting. People are coming forward from all over with words of support and the word is spreading about the vigil thanks to people like you speaking up. Thanks again for letting us know you are out there and thinking about Janet.
 
Thanks LL&S and Terminatrixator for being so welcoming . I don't know if I have anything to add to this forum, but I couldn't sit by anymore and just watch. I think TearsforJanet is a lovely tribute and I'll inform as many people as I can about this website as well as the upcoming vigil. There are people in Durham who care very much and want to show support to the Christiansen family as they continue to grieve.
 
terminatrixator said:
Thanks for the information Caffeinatd. I belong to every site I can find that has anything to do with Janet Marie and that's one that I had to join to read their forums. http://livetrialupdates.com

They have a listing of all the news stories, the Videos, Police reports in their Web Links section, don't know if you have to join to read though.

http://livetrialupdates.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=18

I think it's a site that talks about trials and gives updates on cases, but does not Sleuth like WS Members do!:blowkiss:. As you can see I'm a Websleuthahaulic!

There are also other sites that have discussed Janet, and though there may be one or two stories about Janet, I go to them and keep them updated, including Justice Magazine, Justice Sleuths, Crime Shots, Google Groups (which I can't figure out how to do so I just read.) Another wonderful site is Huff's Crime Blog which you can find at http://huffcrimeblog.com/ though there has not been anything on it in a while.
..i came across livetrialupdates while looking for info on janet's case over the last year..............a good site, the posters respect one another.........( and the mods don't bring out the red font just b/c they disagree with your point of view..:)

..i still can't believe that it's april once again---------(redundant i know) but, almost a YEAR ago that we 1st heard of this horrible murder............and nothing in the way of an arrest......it's sad actually---------given the forensics and technology available today---surely LE can solve this thing.......

..are there other cases in NC over the past year that have been shelved ? or is janet the forgotten one ? of course, surely raven has been in touch with them CONSTANTLY asking for reports on the investigation----------------oh right, raven moved out of state immediatly to utah, and NC LE hasn't heard from the guy since................)

..personally, i have high hopes that the vigil will spark a renewed interest......that and the election of a new DA.......how on earth could any of them ignore this unsolved murder ?? they can't.............they're gonna be called on it..........
 
ncgirl said:
Thanks LL&S and Terminatrixator for being so welcoming . I don't know if I have anything to add to this forum, but I couldn't sit by anymore and just watch. I think TearsforJanet is a lovely tribute and I'll inform as many people as I can about this website as well as the upcoming vigil. There are people in Durham who care very much and want to show support to the Christiansen family as they continue to grieve.
Welcome ncgirl! It's just wonderful that you posted flyers for the vigil!! Thank you from one far away in body yet right there in spirit. I'll be cyber vigiling for Janet come the 29th :)

Should I have used red instead of black?? ;) :D
 
LOL Chico.

Websleuths is a Web community that sleuths, and moderation is very important with the amount of Members that Websleuths has and the varying opinions.

LTU seems to be more of a holding place for information and media reports and it's not much orientated towards "sleuthing" and "discussions" are minimal on cases, so there is probably no need for the type of Moderation that a huge forum like WS has.

It seems the member base at justicesleuths, crimeshots, LTU and the different forums is a GREAT deal smaller than WS and WS has been around a long long time and I think the Mods at WS are doing a great job, because of the high level of heated discussions, that may tip the scales (ummm like when I go on a rant) and I think the Mods here are very fair and I couldn't do what they do and I know I will never be asked to Moderate here cause I pull out my boot too much lol...I would make a HORRIBLE moderator because I have such strong opinions on cases and tend to be a bit mouthy lol.

I think it would be great if we could do an online candlelight Vigil for those of us, like me that cannot attend thank you Chico for the wonderful idea!
 
lauriej said:
....are there other cases in NC over the past year that have been shelved ? or is janet the forgotten one ? of course, surely raven has been in touch with them CONSTANTLY asking for reports on the investigation----------------oh right, raven moved out of state immediatly to utah, and NC LE hasn't heard from the guy since................)

..personally, i have high hopes that the vigil will spark a renewed interest......that and the election of a new DA.......how on earth could any of them ignore this unsolved murder ?? they can't.............they're gonna be called on it..........
I think there are a lot of cases that have been on hold in Durham, but we all have to remember "Double Jeopardy." Prosecutors have ONE shot to try the case. Without enough evidence right then and there ANY DA, whether it is Freda Black, Mike Nifong, or this Keith Bishop will not just take a case and prosecute unless they know they will win, all their ducks are in a row, all dots connected and I think most DA's will wait for a slam dunk as opposed to taking on a circumstantial evidence case at best.

Jim Harding was the DA when Janet was murdered and Nifong was appointed right after Janet's murder. I would rather wait and hold out until there is an air tight case against the sick ******* who murdered Janet and hope the DA gets the highest punishment by law against this slimeball than have it plead down to a manslaughter or have this case lost on technicalities or on appeal.

{{{{LaurieJ}}}}} I'm right there with you emotionally, physically and mentally on this case. Every single day I come here waiting for news, I scan everything I can during the week to see if there is any news, but I don't want this case tried until I know they got the right guy, they got enough evidence to Convict and they do a thorough job so that there is no questions raised on appeal.

I bite my tongue most of the time, because I want to call Durham Police and the DA's office and scream and yell, but that will do no good. I want this case solved and the murderer behind bars FOR EVER AND EVER and will be here, tomorrow, the next day and the next until Justice is served and I will keep praying for Justice.
 
terminatrixator said:
That was the Memorial Video that was made by Raven and I believe one of his friends. I cry every single time I watch it. To see how vibrant and loving and what a wonderful Mother Janet was and to know a selfish, sick Monster took her away from her child, I cannot really express into words.

While it was a lovely Memorial, hearing Raven's voice throughout it makes me ill.
One thing I noticed was Janet kneeling during labor, while this is certainly common, I wonder if there is a connection with that being in there and Ravens claim to finding her kneeling, which he said she did if she had cramps, I would think she would be kneeling begging for the perp to not kill her,
Another question, is it probable that someone murdered in a kneeling position would stay that way? Seems like they would fall over. it does not appear to me that she was leaning against anything. This may have all been rehashed. I have read so much, I can't rememeber, and it may not make any difference at all. Just thinking this through.
 
caffeinatd said:
One thing I noticed was Janet kneeling during labor, while this is certainly common, I wonder if there is a connection with that being in there and Ravens claim to finding her kneeling, which he said she did if she had cramps, I would think she would be kneeling begging for the perp to not kill her,
Another question, is it probable that someone murdered in a kneeling position would stay that way? Seems like they would fall over. it does not appear to me that she was leaning against anything. This may have all been rehashed. I have read so much, I can't rememeber, and it may not make any difference at all. Just thinking this through.

Although dead, a person can remain slumped over in a kneeling position, however, it'd be awfully hard not to get blood on the slacks with a wound to the chest.
 
golfmom said:
Although dead, a person can remain slumped over in a kneeling position, however, it'd be awfully hard not to get blood on the slacks with a wound to the chest.
You got it. Great to see you again GM!
 
Thanks Golfmom, that's what I kind of had figured. I am glad to see you, I really learn a lot from your posts...
 
Hey where you been GM and come back soon dang it.
 
Sadly, I think Janet's vigil will be overshadowed by all of the hoopla surrounding the Duke Lacrosse team. That's all anyone in Durham is thinking about, especially the DA and the SBI. I hope I'm proven wrong....
 
WantAnswers said:
Sadly, I think Janet's vigil will be overshadowed by all of the hoopla surrounding the Duke Lacrosse team. That's all anyone in Durham is thinking about, especially the DA and the SBI. I hope I'm proven wrong....
It is sad and the fact that the week AFTER the Vigil is the Primary makes it even more sad.

I understand the Duke incident is sad and really big news, I can appreciate it. I feel for the women and those innocent guys that were on the team and not there, but this being such BIG news seems to coincide with a big election. My feeling is this would not be such big news had there not been a big election around the corner.

If you're in Durham, perhaps you could start talking about Janet and the one year anniversary of her murder spread the news about the Vigil and call the Mayor, the Governor, the Attorney General, tell all your friends and relative and show up.

What makes me sad is Janet did not get to have one Mother'ss day with Kaiden and this would have been her first Mother's day with her new baby. This is now Kaiden's second Mother's day without his Mommy.

Someone took her life because of their sick twisted disgusting selfish reasons and that person is out walking the streets, playing large, living, laughing and breathing, while Kaiden has no Mommy and while so many people ache for the loss of their daughter, sister, aunt, cousin and friend.

I'd love to hear why the residents of Durham don't seem to have such furor over Janet's Murder. Not minimizing the events at Duke, I'm saying where is the passion about this beautiful Mother's life being taken?
 
terminatrixator said:
It is sad and the fact that the week AFTER the Vigil is the Primary makes it even more sad.

I'd love to hear why the residents of Durham don't seem to have such furor over Janet's Murder. Not minimizing the events at Duke, I'm saying where is the passion about this beautiful Mother's life being taken?



I am in Durham, and employed at Duke...I think that the big deal there was what is perceived as priveleged brats that are always out of hand...A lot of Durham residents see Duke as a hazard rather than the biggest employer in the county, a beautiful campus, an excellent medical center..I need not go on.

Unfortunately, Janet was not well known, she was not involved in a gang murder, a medical malpractice, she was not a Duke student, she did not live in the CC ....and cases like hers get pushed aside for the more powerful, media circuses.

I am sending Bill Bell, Nifong, the lead investigator, the new investigator, anybody I can think of in Durham gov. a letter tomorrow regarding Janet and the lack of interest. I will then wait for a response before i contact the media.

The fact that Janet was not big news, means a lot to me pesonally. She lived very close, altho I did not know her, and I want to know what the hold up is, is there DNA/crime scene evidence they are waiting for? If so, Why can't someone push it through like the Duke case? My God, it has been a year...Time for something to give.
 
"........and cases like hers get pushed aside for the more powerful, media circuses"............


yes, and that's exactly what happened----------------on the very night that janet was brutally murdered, another woman "went out for a jog"---"disappeared"........etc etc etc------------and so began the "media circus" surrounding that woman------------jennifer willbanks, "the run-away bride' fiasco.........

i'm hoping that once again, janet's vigil is not over shadowed by yet another sensational 'story' --surely the media can follow more than one story at a time ?
 
Caffeinatd thank you for all you are doing, I am also not happy with the progress of this case, but even if there is DNA it's still circumstantial evidence. In reading so much on crime, even weapons are considered circumstantial and anything they find is circumstantial without a recording of the murder.

I watched a Forensic File case once where they actually had a videotape of the murderer, but they still had to hold off. They finally found the gun in his home, and they still waited for more. They made this big grand deal about it being solved but were still a mess when it came to trial becaues it was a "circumstantial evidence" case. I was baffled. You have a video tape of the guy, you find the weapon in this dude's possession, why would you call it circumstantial, when to me, the viewer, I would consider it a smoking gun. Confession cases, same thing, they do not even think of confessions as a big smoking gun, and have to still piece together ever scrap of evidence.

I think it has more to do with Defense tactics as opposed to the evidence or Circumstantial Evidence. The pre-trial hearings, discovery, and the way the laws are set up is so geared toward the defense side of the coin, and most prosecutors seem to realize, that Defense attorneys can get away with things a prosecutor couldn't even dream of.

Case in point....Geragos, and all his red herrings.. When things got tough, Geragos would always pull out a red herring, delay because of potentially new evidence, this new evidence NEVER emerged. Geragos would sit and joke and laugh during the prosecution examination which would sway the attention away from the person on the stand and Geragos would pull little stunts here and there. He would actually get up and WALK around during the trial, when the proseuction was up talking!

Defense attorneys can make up stories, The Brown Van, the Mafia, Homeless People in a van, Satanic Cults, WITHOUT anything to stand on, no proof, just throw something at the jury, throw information online (Geragos had his henchmen at CTV Message Board coming up with inplausible theories) and then he had his good buddy stating that Conner was full-term and cut out of Laci's body, without having to prove-up and they CAN get away with it. It's not up to the defense to PROVE who the real killer is, it is up to the Prosecutor so basically most defense attorneys get away with their little side-show stunts.

Look at OJ Simpson - if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. OJ would have had to not take any inflammatories, eat salty food for a week and the glove would not fit, my hands can swell up and I can make it so a glove fits or not fit. OJ's blood was found at the scene, yet he got away with it.

Look at the way Michael Jackson and his attorneys orchestrated the hearings, and the way they put the victim and his family on trial, not the other way around; this is a lovely ploy for Defense attorneys.

Blame the Victim, come up with theories that are implausible, break-ins, homeless men, I would not put it past a defense on Janet's case to try intimating that she had a boyfriend, when we all know she DID NOT. Look at the threads here on who is the killer. Someone put boyfriend, a jealous girl, I read that and think to myself, guess someone has a defense attorney already plotting their defense, and I don't doubt that there's someone here trying to throw the trail in another direction, plotting little red herrings that don't have to be proven.

I'm not saying all Defense Attorneys are scum of the earth, but....defense attorneys get a liberal set of rules to follow while the Prosecutors have to be conservative and have a set list of rules they must follow, because of the appeal process etc. All it takes is a defense attorney leaking a false story...and you have the tide being turned to look in a different direction, and they are PAID to plant seeds of doubt, without even having to prove it up.

The Prosecution needs to put a bunch of little pieces together to make a huge puzzle and if they are going for First Degree, they need to gather all the little pieces and I would rather they take their time gather these little pieces so it cannot be ripped apart by little red herrings and little publicity stunts and bullcrap theories that make no sense, but still stick in a jurors mind. Once it's out, the Judge can strike it and it's still heard and never forgotten.

Okay enough ranting, gotta get ready for work.

(Sorry for being so long winded)
 
With that "attitude" no case would ever go to trial. Where is the trust in the system? The trust that not all jurors are idiots? SP's defense threw a bunch of crap out there BUT NOTHING stuck.
IMO, OJ and MJ got off because they were celebrities and the jurors were in awe of them. The majority of the "joes" get convicted.
In this case, I think it's simple: No squeeking....no grease!
 
I don't want my questions to come across as negative, because I really am interested in the answers. What are Janet's family and friends doing to see that this horrendous crime be solved?

If this atrocity had happened to my child or one of my girlfriends, I would be screaming for justice - and I would not shut-up until justice was served! I think it's obvious why Raven hasn't been vocal in demanding justice, but what about her friends? Other than websleuths, I cannot find where anything has been done publicly to solve this. I would have rented a billboard, put ad's in every local paper (and the papers in Utah). In this particular case, I would be calling the husband everyday just to remind him that deaths of Janet and the unborn child have not been forgotten.

My question is in no way a criticism toward the family and friends of Janet, I really believe they are doing what they can, there just isn't enough media attention given to this crime that would give a clear picture of what is being done.
 
kimiden said:
I don't want my questions to come across as negative, because I really am interested in the answers. What are Janet's family and friends doing to see that this horrendous crime be solved?
If I could be so bold as to answer this question for you.... and don't worry you do not sound negative at all....

Janet's family and friends are doing EVERYthing in there power at this time. I obviously cannot go into details, but trust me on this matter. If you haven't been over to www.tearsforjanet.com, you should go. It is a work in progress and probably will be for some time... but I promise you we will not let this case go cold. Because this is an ongoing investigation, a lot of what the family is up to and what they've been told they can not and will not share online.

We have teamed up with the OVC (Office of Victims of Crime) and the National Crime Victims' Rights Week, Victims' Rights: Strength in Unity April 23–29, 2006 and are wrapping up the week with huge candlelight vigil to bring some of the attention back to Janet's case in Durham. The line up of speakers is growing and the number of people coming out of the woodwork to pitch in is AMAZING to say the least.

Mostly, what we are doing is waiting....... and gaining support from the many people here and on other sites who are hanging in there every day seeking information and justice for Janet and her baby and following the directions of LE every step of the way.
 
kimiden said:
I don't want my questions to come across as negative, because I really am interested in the answers. What are Janet's family and friends doing to see that this horrendous crime be solved?

If this atrocity had happened to my child or one of my girlfriends, I would be screaming for justice - and I would not shut-up until justice was served! I think it's obvious why Raven hasn't been vocal in demanding justice, but what about her friends? Other than websleuths, I cannot find where anything has been done publicly to solve this. I would have rented a billboard, put ad's in every local paper (and the papers in Utah). In this particular case, I would be calling the husband everyday just to remind him that deaths of Janet and the unborn child have not been forgotten.

My question is in no way a criticism toward the family and friends of Janet, I really believe they are doing what they can, there just isn't enough media attention given to this crime that would give a clear picture of what is being done.
Hi Kimiden, I think your post is not negative, it's just a statement of your opinion and your thoughts.

I tried calling Media in Utah before when the reward was announced and wrote to media in utah and since no suspect has been named, no poi named they do not care about a crime that happened in North Carolina, even if the husband is there, it has no bearing on it, especially since he has not been named a suspect or person of interest.

If I were in Janet's family and in their position, I don't know that I would risk calling The Rave on a daily basis when he is custodian of Kaiden, I would not risk alienating him while he is not been named the suspect or person of interest.

Anyone sick enough to kill Janet would be sick enough to kill again and who is to say that whoever killed Janet wouldn't if they felt picked on.

There's a lot to think about when it comes to crimes like this, and if you go the media and they don't care, what do you do then? Take out billboards, claiming what? Saying what? No person of interest or Suspect has been named yet, I feel your frustration though.

Do I think Raven did it, hell yeah I do, but what I think doesn't matter, I can't prove it, it's just my opinion, and my opinion doesn't matter in this regard.
 

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