A Closer Look at the Lawyers Involved

[lonetraveler]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=78620221001

In this video Shoemaker makes a statement that Ron was not surprised about the story that Joe had taken Haleigh and threw her into the river, Shoemaker states that Ron mentions Joe in the 911 tape??????????? The reporter notes in the video that she has not been able to find any reference to Joe in the 911 tape but concedes that the tape may have been redacted.

Did Shoemaker misspeak? I have not heard Ron mention Joe in any of the 911 audios or in read it in any of the transcripts. :waitasec:

 

[Whisperer]

.....>>>Quote: WERTER says:
You're right as to the temperature but broadening all the circumstances and feeding habits to get a clear view of the situation. <<<<UNQUOTE
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Now that is the weirdest sentence I have ever read from an attorney...WTH? Is he saying he agrees with you about the temp but you need to broaden your statement about the feeding habits and the circumstances to get a clearer view of the situation. What situation?

I shouldn't have tried...I have confused myself.

 

[suspicious1]

From the NG transcripts aired September 8, 2009:

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.
end>

This has always bothered me because as of September, Shoemaker admitted that his client had not been cleared and that he was still being shuffled around on the list...I'm assuming list of suspects. If he is an innocent man, how could that be?

 

[suspicious1]

Terry Shoemaker:
Shoemaker said negotiations are not finished but part of the expected deal would mean Cummings would not be sentenced until after the Croslins are tried if those cases go to a jury.

Shoemaker said the disappaearance of Haleigh, while not related to the trafficking case, made resolving the drug case more difficult.

"It's made it harder for all of us to have negotiations," he said.

http://staugustine.com/node/12265/print

 

[dodie20]

Art has edited the part where Shoemaker said that TN had been by the trailer. Shoemaker says he either misspoke or was misunderstood. Before I rag on Art for that, I have to give him some credit. He's one of the very few reporters, who actually admits to mistakes or makes corrections. So, back to square 1 on that one. just Greenwood saying it. But, Shoemaker & crew need to be careful with what they say. Ron's life literally depends on him being truthful.

 

[Skully]

Back is early July, Tommy's attorney, James Werter, opened a channel at YouTube called "werterlaw". He had a running dialogue for a few days seemingly to promote Tommy's claims and postion.

I posted a few comments basically pointing out that alligators are dormant and do not feed in cold weather, so his client was lying when he said they were "swarming the dock" in February.

This was his reply to me:



I still don't have a clue what that's supposed to mean, LOL

Could he have been referring to the fact that it was Winter and maybe alligators didn't destroy the body, but rather small crabs and fish? So it was cold, it was night time, gators were dormant but not all the water creatures were. Would that broaden the circumstances?

 

[lonetraveler]

Art has edited the part where Shoemaker said that TN had been by the trailer. Shoemaker says he either misspoke or was misunderstood. Before I rag on Art for that, I have to give him some credit. He's one of the very few reporters, who actually admits to mistakes or makes corrections. So, back to square 1 on that one. just Greenwood saying it. But, Shoemaker & crew need to be careful with what they say. Ron's life literally depends on him being truthful.

I can't help but wonder if Teresa raised totaly hell with Shoemaker for letting this get out and made Shoemaker publically change it. Makes you think it is really true. Shoemaker also stated that Ron mentioned Joe in the 911 tape. The reporter in the video and article states that she has not seen anything to prove this in the 911 tape but concedes that the 911 tape has been redacted a bit.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=78620221001

 

[justus4all]

I can't help but wonder if Teresa raised totaly hell with Shoemaker for letting this get out and made Shoemaker publically change it. Makes you think it is really true. Shoemaker also stated that Ron mentioned Joe in the 911 tape. The reporter in the video and article states that she has not seen anything to prove this in the 911 tape but concedes that the 911 tape has been redacted a bit.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=78620221001

bolded by me...

We have all heard the 911 tape..since day 1...and speaking for myself..I have not heard Joe's name mentioned on the 911 tape.....Nor have I heard Misty..at any time..at any interview ....mention Joe being in the 911 call...OR Ron..mention Joe..on the 911 call...In countless interviews with Ron and Misty..(that the public has seen)...no mention of Joe that night on the 911 tape...

AGAIN... it is possible Ron did mention Joe's name on the 911 call, then that was redacted..before release..but surely Ron or Misty would bring it up...and be EAGER to talk about it...

If I am incorrect, please point it out to me.....thank you in advance

 

[krkrjx]

WERTER says:
You're right as to the temperature but broadening all the circumstances and feeding habits to get a clear view of the situation.

It probably means what might not have happened in winter (February) would have happened by the time the statement was made (April). It's lawyer-speak...trying to sound intelligent and in the process coming across as the opposite.

 

[suspicious1]

I can't help but wonder if Teresa raised totaly hell with Shoemaker for letting this get out and made Shoemaker publically change it. Makes you think it is really true. Shoemaker also stated that Ron mentioned Joe in the 911 tape. The reporter in the video and article states that she has not seen anything to prove this in the 911 tape but concedes that the 911 tape has been redacted a bit.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=78620221001

You gave me something to think about, Lone...it does make you wonder...it could've been Ron who gave Shoemaker hell about releasing this information, especially if Ron's protecting Teresa in any way.

I find it hard to believe that Ron mentioned Joe's name in the 911 call...only because right after that, Ron never mentions Jo...actually it seemed that Ron was trying to keep the focus off of JO..."there was no fight with no cousin over no gun".

JMO of course

 

[dodie20]

Back is early July, Tommy's attorney, James Werter, opened a channel at YouTube called "werterlaw". He had a running dialogue for a few days seemingly to promote Tommy's claims and postion.

I posted a few comments basically pointing out that alligators are dormant and do not feed in cold weather, so his client was lying when he said they were "swarming the dock" in February.

This was his reply to me:



I still don't have a clue what that's supposed to mean, LOL

I think it means Tommy's toast & he knows it. But a lawyer's gotta do what a lawyer's gotta do.

 

[suspicious1]

From the NG Show aired Sept 4, 2009

Terry, as best you can tell me -- Terry Shoemaker, attorney, joining me from Jacksonville, Florida. What time did he pick up -- Ronald pick up Haleigh from school, from the bus stop that day?

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR RONALD CUMMINGS: Ronald picked up Haleigh at approximately 3:30. It just depends on.

GRACE: OK.

SHOEMAKER: You know, in talking with him it would depend how fast the bus got there.

GRACE: All right. Got it.

SHOEMAKER: But right around 3:30.

GRACE: 3:30. Terry, how far away was his place of employment?

SHOEMAKER: On that particular evening he told me it took him exactly, based on what, you know, the records are 19 minutes for him to get to work that day.

GRACE: OK. When he picked her up at around 3:30, where did he take her?

SHOEMAKER: He took her home, which is less than a mile away from the bus stop.

GRACE: OK. And what time did he have to be at work?

SHOEMAKER: He didn`t really start work until 5:00. However, he would always get there, he said, approximately 30 minutes to 45 minutes earlier.

GRACE: OK.

SHOEMAKER: Depending on when he left.

GRACE: So he`d get there 45 minutes beforehand. So he picks her up around 3:30, takes her home then drives 20 minutes to work. And we know he punched in on time at work. Yes/no?

SHOEMAKER: Yes, he did. Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. That is the alibi for Ronald Cummings. He was observed picking her up between 3:30 and 4:00. He dropped her off and was on time for work. If not 45 minutes early.

 

[suspicious1]

From NG aired October 12, 2009:

GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.

GRACE: And again, you said he operates a crane. Was he operating a crane that night?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t believe he actually was that evening. I know he had a couple different things he was doing, but...

GRACE: Like what?

SHOEMAKER: I can`t really answer that specifically. I know when we spoke...

GRACE: Why?

SHOEMAKER: Well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening, and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so I know that he had a number of different responsibilities, but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator.

GRACE: Indoors or outdoors?

SHOEMAKER: Well, the crane is outdoors, but he -- you know, he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way.

GRACE: So we know absolutely he did not leave the job site?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely.

 

[justus4all]

QUOTE....

From NG aired October 12, 2009:

Quote:

GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.

GRACE: And again, you said he operates a crane. Was he operating a crane that night?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t believe he actually was that evening. I know he had a couple different things he was doing, but...

GRACE: Like what?

SHOEMAKER: I can`t really answer that specifically. I know when we spoke...

GRACE: Why?

SHOEMAKER: Well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening, and he said that he had to move some material [/U]from different locations and -- so I know that he had a number of different responsibilities, but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator.

GRACE: Indoors or outdoors?

SHOEMAKER: Well, the crane is outdoors, but he -- you know, he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way.

GRACE: So we know absolutely he did not leave the job site?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely.
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underlined by me...

I find these statements by Ron's attorney to be misleading... He is saying ABSOLUTELY RON DID NOT LEAVE the job site.....BUT saying on the other hand..there WERE TIMES that night that people didn't actually SEE him...but for the MOST PART..people saw him there all night....and the times that he was not seen was just for short periods of time..

So I am saying...Ron being there at the job..and absolutely not leaving..is in question for me....

Even Ron's attorney...is saying..(parapharsing) well...for the most part, he was there..

I know the LE have made statements about his work hours...but I am wondering if they are themselves questioning..IF Ron could have left unnoticed...

Ron's own attorney...CANNOT verify..100%...that Ron was at work the ENTIRE TIME...only..for the MOST PART.......

MOO..

 

[suspicious1]

Another statement made by Terry Shoemaker about the claim that Haleigh had been speaking to another little girl....in September 2009

Lance: Did Ronald tell Misty's father that if he had $35,000, he'd be able to bring haleigh home?

Shoemaker: I would deny that Ronald ever told misty&#8217;s father that. The story is complicated but Ronald has a friend who has this little four year old girl and this came up in our fdle conversation yesterday. Ronald was talking to the girl and the girl said she talks to Haleigh and he asked her what Haleigh tells her. She responded saying that she told her is that she is being kept by a guy named Larry. What Ronald said to Misty&#8217;s dad is that if we knew who Larry was and 35 thousand dollars then we could get her back. Ronald doesn&#8217;t have any idea who has Haleigh and if he had a million dollars wouldn&#8217;t know what to do with it to get her back.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php?

:waitasec:

The question was whether or not Ron told Hank Sr. that if he had $35,000 dollars he could bring Haleigh home...Shoemaker begins his answer/statement with "i would deny that Ronald told Misty's father that." Then Shoemaker ends his statement with "what Ronald said to Misty's dad is that if "we knew who Larry was" and had $35,000 then we could her back." wasn't that the question?:waitasec:

So Ron has a friend who has a four year old daughter that talks to Haleigh?....
I wonder who brought that up in the FDLE conversation...

 

[Nonni Brenda]

On the quote of NG show dated Sept 4, 2009, it is stated that the drive to work is 19 min. On the quote dated Oct 12, 2009 NG is allowing 30 min to/from work.
this allows extra time. She is also allowing him 30 min to do "whatever", which could or could not have taken only a few minutes, say 5, to instruct others what to do, or to go see if someone was at a certain place.

This could shorten NG's estimated time of 1hr and a half to just a little over 40 minutes.
19 plus 19 plus 5 minutes.... big difference.
Thanks for finding the quotes.

 

[suspicious1]

QUOTE....

From NG aired October 12, 2009:

Quote:

GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.

GRACE: And again, you said he operates a crane. Was he operating a crane that night?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t believe he actually was that evening. I know he had a couple different things he was doing, but...

GRACE: Like what?

SHOEMAKER: I can`t really answer that specifically. I know when we spoke...

GRACE: Why?

SHOEMAKER: Well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening, and he said that he had to move some material [/U]from different locations and -- so I know that he had a number of different responsibilities, but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator.

GRACE: Indoors or outdoors?

SHOEMAKER: Well, the crane is outdoors, but he -- you know, he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way.

GRACE: So we know absolutely he did not leave the job site?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely.
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underlined by me...

I find these statements by Ron's attorney to be misleading... He is saying ABSOLUTELY RON DID NOT LEAVE the job site.....BUT saying on the other hand..there WERE TIMES that night that people didn't actually SEE him...but for the MOST PART..people saw him there all night....and the times that he was not seen was just for short periods of time..

So I am saying...Ron being there at the job..and absolutely not leaving..is in question for me....

Even Ron's attorney...is saying..(parapharsing) well...for the most part, he was there..

I know the LE have made statements about his work hours...but I am wondering if they are themselves questioning..IF Ron could have left unnoticed...

Ron's own attorney...CANNOT verify..100%...that Ron was at work the ENTIRE TIME...only..for the MOST PART.......

MOO..

BBM
I'm right there with you. The parts I bolded is what peeked my interest...Shoemaker is telling us that conversations that were being held with FDLE/LE, included Ron's job duties and whether he was seen all night at work...Shoemaker says that "there were some times, based on our conversation with FDLE, that people didn't actually see him...." So it sounds as if the FDLE were the ones that pointed out there were times when Ron was not seen at work.:waitasec: Then in another conversation with LE, they wanted to know about Ron's different jobs....Shoemaker is telling us something....and Shoemaker came on board when? I believe in August.....so as of August, LE is still questioning Ron whereabouts the night Haleigh disappeared....

 

[justus4all]

BBM
I'm right there with you. The parts I bolded is what peeked my interest...Shoemaker is telling us that conversations that were being held with FDLE/LE, included Ron's job duties and whether he was seen all night at work...Shoemaker says that "there were some times, based on our conversation with FDLE, that people didn't actually see him...." So it sounds as if the FDLE were the ones that pointed out there were times when Ron was not seen at work.:waitasec: Then in another conversation with LE, they wanted to know about Ron's different jobs....Shoemaker is telling us something....and Shoemaker came on board when? I believe in August.....so as of August, LE is still questioning Ron whereabouts the night Haleigh disappeared....

Exactly suspicious!!!!......

Because Ron's wherebouts cannot be entirely accounted for at his job...leaves a huge hole...when he was...those ENTIRE hours..at work...and because of just that ....suggests ...the opportunity to have been "elsewhere" and unaccounted for..for those "short periods of time"...and would still be looked at and questioned by the LE...

moo

 

[suspicious1]

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-01-22/cummings-croslin-jailed

St. Augustine attorney Terry Shoemaker worked with Ronald Cummings as the search for HaLeigh developed but knew very little Thursday about the latest charges.

"I'm not sure if we represent him on this or not," said Shoemaker. "I have to make an appointment to see him, and that won't be before (today)."

Shoemaker and partner Dan Mowrey were set to visit Cummings when they got a call from the jail Thursday.

Visit delayed

BBM
Shoemaker was Ron's attorney at that time right? How does Shoemaker not know if he will be representing Ron on his drug charges? part of Shoemaker's trial experience includes drug cases...:waitasec:

 

[lil momma]

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-01-22/cummings-croslin-jailed



BBM
Shoemaker was Ron's attorney at that time right? How does Shoemaker not know if he will be representing Ron on his drug charges? part of Shoemaker's trial experience includes drug cases...:waitasec:

exactly! Then why did Ron hire Shoey? we know it wasn't for the DCF investigation, he had Kimball and Snider for that and to handle the media. So was it Ron hired Shoey when he did?