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[BlueCrab]

Their lying is your perspective and the perspective of those that believe they are guilty. From my perspective I don't see lying or coverup I see parents that do not have answers simply because they don't know who killed their child.

Sissi,

If John and Patsy didn't know who killed their daughter, then why didn't they fully cooperate with the authorities by truthfully answering early and often every question asked of them? Why hire a gaggle of lawyers and delay interviews for four months after the crime? And why lie?

For instance, in the Miles v Ramsey civil lawsuit for defamation John, in a deposition under oath, swore that Glen and Susan Stine were not close friends, and were not even friends they socialized with.

This after the Stines were the last family to see the Ramseys on the night of the murder when the Ramseys stopped by to drop off Christmas gifts; and after the Stines were the Ramsey's staunchest and most vocal supporters; and after the Ramseys and Patsy's parents moved in and lived with the Stines and Nathan Inouye for five months jammed together in a single-family house following the murder; and after John Ramsey hired Glen Stine as a vice president in a new computer company he was starting up in Georgia; and after the Stines quit their high-paying jobs at Colorado University and followed the Ramseys to Georgia.

Yet, while answering the deposition questions, John acted as if he barely knew the Stines. He was lying. Why?

Was John trying desperately to not only conceal the fact that the Ramseys and the Stines were close friends, but also the fact that Burke Ramsey and Doug Stine were best friends? I think so. There would be no other reason to lie and cover up while answering questions under oath.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

BC, glad you brought that up again about John trying to downplay in the deposition the fact that the Ramseys and Stines were close friends. That is something that imo can be explained only by the possibility that John was trying to distance Burke from Doug Stine. I'm not totally convinced that Burke didn't act alone in causing JonBenet's death, but I'm not dismissing the idea altogether.

imo

 

[twizzler333]

Read the depo again. Funny how ones words can be twisted and taken to mean something else. I think, given the way the?'s were asked is the reason for the answers given.

 

[sissi]

Read the depo again. Funny how ones words can be twisted and taken to mean something else. I think, given the way the?'s were asked is the reason for the answers given.

Yep !
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ml+john+ramsey+deposition+1998&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

[Ivy]

John Ramsey had every opportunity to name the Stines as close friends. When naming family friends, he even included someone whose name he couldn't remember! Further along in the depo, John is forced to mention the Stines but plays down the Rs' relationship to them.

imo

 

[popcorn]

I just wanted to direct everyone to FFJ for commentary and an overview of Lee's words.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5265

One very odd statement Lee made is the panties JonBenet was found wearing were an adult size seven. I can't imagine where that came from and tend to believe it was an error but it's possible it's genuine information that was whitewashed previoulsy. Patsy would have fit adult size seven.

As likely would the univestigated women who accompanied them on the mother-daughter trip to Bloomingdales and NYC.

 

[tipper]

Re the "table from Tiffany's"

I think what Patsy probably said was, she had a Tiffany table. Which is quite possible and I'll bet she paid a pretty penny for it too. ST made the same error as BobC (and perhaps Patsy herself) in confusing today's Tiffany & Company, the store, with L.C. Tiffany, the designer. He was the son of the founder of the store (and at one point its design director). But there is a difference between "from Tiffany's" and "by Tiffany." Although if you know nothing about furniture you might not pick up on the difference.

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…[font=Arial, Helvetica]While glass is the most significant medium in which Tiffany worked, he designed, fabricated or sold everything that made up an interior, including furniture, textiles and wall coverings. A desire to create a unified artistic expression culminated in the last house he designed in its entirety-his own. Laurelton Hall, in Oyster Bay, Long Island, was completed in 1904, and the Morse Museum is the greatest repository of Tiffany furniture, stained glass, mosaic work and architectural elements from this masterpiece.

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[K777angel]

I bought Lee's book yesterday at Barnes & Noble. Started reading it last night. Not far into it but it's quite clear that he does NOT believe an intruder killed JonBenet. In fact he says that possibility is "remote". And he knows all the evidence inside and out and has been consulted for years on the case.
I think he believes (like I do) that the death was not intentional but an accident. Then staged to look like something else.
Were it not for the police's unprofessional handling of the crime scene on that day, I think Lee believes it might have been solved a long time ago.

Off to read some more.....

~Angel~

 

[BlueCrab]

One very odd statement Lee made is the panties JonBenet was found wearing were an adult size seven.

Popcorn,

Yes, that's an interesting comment by Henry Lee. Adult size 7 is pretty big; probably about the size of a child's size 12 which the cops said in the interviews JonBenet was wearing. In either event, the panties she was wearing were about twice the size she should have been wearing.

JonBenet was obviously re-dressed after the sexual assault. John and Patsy would have known better than to put such huge underwear on JonBenet had they been involved in that part of the staging.

It leads me to believe that juvenile males were involved in the bizarre staging.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

I seem to recall hearing that Lee was wrong about certain aspects of the case. Where did he get the panties info? This is the first time I've ever heard anything about JonBenet being found in adult size 7 panties.

imo

 

[TressaRing28]

O.K. knock off all the sucking up. :waitasec:

Ivy , I am so surprised you said that-------

I am not sucking up to any one but, I have read the Lee Book and there is so much more that he could have said .....

I agree with Jayelles that his NO DNA statment was NOT CORRECT.
:snooty: :snooty: :snooty:

 

[TressaRing28]

I seem to recall hearing that Lee was wrong about certain aspects of the case. Where did he get the panties info? This is the first time I've ever heard anything about JonBenet being found in adult size 7 panties.

imo

I thought the Panties were a childs size. Just larger than JB size and were maybe a present for an old friend or cousin.

 

[sissi]

I thought the Panties were a childs size. Just larger than JB size and were maybe a present for an old friend or cousin.

I believe you are correct!
Sadly his information seems to mirror much of the misinformation given to the media by the BPD. I guess we can consider him not being responsible for his words as this is the method used isn't it? He goes in on a case, is briefed by the BPD on "facts"? He doesn't conduct his own investigation,he has to rely on the BPD's already gathered evidence and info for the foundation of the case? He reads,looks over, tries to find something missed or something that deserves further investigation? correct?

 

[TisHerself]

I don't know that I put much stock in what Lee says, I have seen him on TV during the Peterson trial and half the time he dosen't even have the facts right. I saw him on the Michael Peterson trial and thought he was way off.

 

[BrotherMoon]

Michael Moore says he gets his information from the New York Times. Maybe Lee gets his info from Michael Moore.

 

[sissi]

I don't know that I put much stock in what Lee says, I have seen him on TV during the Peterson trial and half the time he dosen't even have the facts right. I saw him on the Michael Peterson trial and thought he was way off.

I would like to know what has changed!! since he commented on Carnes decision........"because there is virtually no evidence to support plaintiff's theory that they murdered their child." or since Keenan said,
"I agree with the court's conclusion that 'the weight of the evidence is more consistent with the theory that an intruder murdered JonBenet than it is with the theory that Mrs. Ramsey did it,'" (she stated in April, 2003.)

The Rocky Mountain News wrote on April 26, 2003 that Dr. Henry Lee, "the most prominent criminologist to work on the JonBenet Ramsey case remains unsure whether the child was murdered or died in what started as an accident."
Dr. Lee had not been consulted by the new D.A. and he acknowledged that there "may be significant new evidence in the cases since his last involvement."

"I respect her," Dr. Lee said of Keenan. "She is a very competent attorney."

Does this not clearly imply that he has not been involved with the case in quite sometime? Does it not also indicate he has no idea what happened to Jonbenet?

 

[Ivy]

sissi said, in part:
The Rocky Mountain News wrote on April 26, 2003 that Dr. Henry Lee, "the most prominent criminologist to work on the JonBenet Ramsey case remains unsure whether the child was murdered or died in what started as an accident."

Dr. Lee had not been consulted by the new D.A. and he acknowledged that there "may be significant new evidence in the cases since his last involvement."

"I respect her," Dr. Lee said of Keenan. "She is a very competent attorney."

Does this not clearly imply that he has not been involved with the case in quite sometime? Does it not also indicate he has no idea what happened to Jonbenet?

sissi, yes to both of your questions.

imo

 

[TisHerself]

Yes Sissi I don't think he knows what goes on in any of his cases

 

[txsvicki]

BC, glad you brought that up again about John trying to downplay in the deposition the fact that the Ramseys and Stines were close friends. That is something that imo can be explained only by the possibility that John was trying to distance Burke from Doug Stine. I'm not totally convinced that Burke didn't act alone in causing JonBenet's death, but I'm not dismissing the idea altogether.

imo

Could Jon Benet have died at the Stines home, then brought home to the basement and staged?

 

[sissi]

Could Jon Benet have died at the Stines home, then brought home to the basement and staged?

Anything is possible. I remember Singular ,in his book, suggested that whoever murdered her could have "brought her back dead". He thought she was sent out for photo shoots by an underground active group.
I don't think he believes anyone's intention was for her to die.
Interesting idea! Bringing her back would eliminate a thorough search for a suspect,would it not? Bringing her back with a ransom note,even better?

edit to add..
Did the BPD check the nightgown to determine if it was freshly washed or if it had been worn?