A Troubled Child

[Emerald2]

The case of JonBenet Ramsey is commonly presented as a murder without a back-story. As part of this pattern JonBenet is portrayed as a child who was happy as a lark until the day she died. The evidence does not support these ideas, however, but rather suggests a troubled child in the weeks and months before the end. Of course there has always been a school of thought that held JonBenet’s bedwetting meant she was an abused and “deeply troubled” child.The weakness of this interpretation is that it relied almost exclusively on the bedwetting for support. Yet in reality the bedwetting is only one of at least four different signs of distress that can be traced in JonBenet. The best way to present them is in the form of a timeline:

1 The earliest known indication of distress is due to what Pam Archuleta (the wife of Michael Archuleta, the Ramsey’s pilot), had to say in a Daily Beast article: Pam Archuleta saw a fatigue in JonBenet during the last months of her life. “She had this haunted, defeated look. She looked frozen when she got that beauty queen attitude on. I think she was just plain worn out.”
John Ramsey Has Lingering Suspicions in the Murder of JonBenét
JonBenet had a haunted look the last months of her life? This is a stunning revelation from someone who was a firm supporter of the Ramsey family. Pam uses the kind of language appropriate for horror stories. To be sure Pam attributes the haunted look simply to pressure to perform in pageants. But is Pam’s interpretation reliable? Most observers say JonBenet enjoyed the pageants. This suggests the real cause of the haunted look was elsewhere.

2 The traditional red flag of bedwetting is the next sign to appear (or re-appear). According to Steve Thomas:
“ there were some dark secrets. She had a continuing problem with wetting her bed, regressing in her toilet training in the months before her death.” (page 6)
Later in his book Thomas offered a more detailed timeline
"For the first 6 months Hoffmann-Pugh worked there, she said, JonBenet wet the bed every night, and Patsy even had the girl in pull up diapers. Then the bed wetting had stopped, but it resumed about a month ago. When Hoffman-Pugh arrived for work, she said, Patsy already had the bed stripped and the sheets going in the washing machine.” (page 38)
So according to the housekeeper JonBenet had a bedwetting problem that seemed to disappear, but resurfaced near the end of November. Whatever the cause of her earlier bedwetting may have been its resurgence “about a month” before the end suggests increased stress on JonBenet at that time.

3 As we go into December JonBenet’s distress seems to intensify. From the Bonita papers:
“The teachers did note that sometime in December 1996, JonBenet developed a clinginess to her mother which they thought unusual for the ordinarily independent, self assured child. It had always been apparent that there was an extreme closeness between JonBenet and her mother, appeared to be overly protective, but this change in JonBenet appeared to be an even more exaggerated degree of closeness.”
The picture this suggests is that of an insecure child seeking reassurance (or protection?) from her mother.

4 Near the end JonBenet may have been starting to buckle under the strain. Here is how she appeared at the Ramsey’s Christmas party just two days before her death:
during a party at her parents' home a family friend came across a JonBenet who was seldom seen. The child was immaculate in a holiday frock, and her platinum blond hair was done perfectly, but she sat alone on a staircase in the butler's kitchen, crying softly. The friend sat beside her.
"What's wrong honey?"
Little Miss Christmas sobbed, "I don't feel pretty." (page 7 of Thomas)
Thomas said JonBenet was “seldom seen” like this, but her crying is evocative of the haunted look, only this time her distress has escalated into tears. And this episode couldn’t have occurred more than a few weeks after the teachers noticed a change in her. Whatever the meaning of her explanation “I don’t feel pretty” may have been, it rules out trivial causes such as a broken toy or watching a sad movie.

The bottom line? During her mother’s illness JonBenet could show signs of distress related to that situation. However, if we limit our attention to the last year of JonBenet’s life signs of distress appear predominantly near the very end, in the last few weeks. One or two such signs might not mean much, but a bunch of them is a different story. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that late in her life, especially the last month, JonBenet was a deeply troubled child.

 

[proust20]

I agree that there was a gathering momentum in the time leading up to Christmas. While the death may have been accidental, the basis for it had been established well in advance.

 

[Tobiano8th]

Emerald,

I appreciate your comments

my thoughts though are:

1) pure hindsight comments

2) those comments could be applied to millions of kids today in America. not very specific.

 

[dogperson]

Since November and December are months with major holidays I wonder if she was haunted and subdued because she was having more contact than usual with her abuser. During those two months of the year people typically have more time off from school/work.

 

[UKGuy]

Since November and December are months with major holidays I wonder if she was haunted and subdued because she was having more contact than usual with her abuser. During those two months of the year people typically have more time off from school/work.

dogperson,
Yes, more contact, might be the reason or the apprehension involved in it's possibility.

There might have been more than one person involved with no coordination between them?

From memory did JR not decide to celebrate Christmas in Boulder, rather than go on vacation?

It is also likely JonBenet was in verbal conflict with her abuser, consider Patsy's account of matching outfits to the White's Christmas Party, suggesting JonBenet was growing up fast, or too fast if she was being fed a distorted view of relationships?

Was JonBenet becoming tired of being told what to wear?

Her death was no accident, as her parents denied her medical assistance, whch begs the question, why, like your own daughter?

IMO her death was part of the staging, why was she not left alive, injured, for the medics to deal with?

One possible answer is that parents were faced with a faite accompli, i.e. somebody had already attempted staging, e.g. redressing, cleanup, head injury, possible ligature? A patently amateur setting with only one possible candidate?

All the parents could do was strengthen the staging, relocate JonBenet, complete the asphyxiation as a staging endpoint, and claim IDI?

 

[proust20]

If the killer and the abuser were different persons, this should indicate that one family member were protecting the other. I do not see the abuse going outside of the extended R family circle. Since SA was part of the staging, the killer had to have known what had been done to JB previously. The simplest explanation is that the killer and abuser were one and the same.

If the lethal asphyxiation occurred before the head blow, the question of why the parents did not seek help for an injured JB does not apply, as she was already dead when her skull was fractured. If the ligature were part of an erotic game, the death may have been accidental?

I view the pageants as abusive. PR took over-bearing, physical control of her daughter when she dyed her hair. "She's blonde." - shows that this matter was uppermost in PR's mind. That she needed to be changed in order to compete successfully could have impacted JB's self-esteem. - "I don't feel pretty." Perhaps, JB's abuser was a voyeur? Cameras, costumes and performances formed much of JB's limited life experience.

That JB did not fend off her attacker is significant. The need to explain this fact contributed to the stun gun fantasy.

 

[UKGuy]

If the killer and the abuser were different persons, this should indicate that one family member were protecting the other. I do not see the abuse going outside of the extended R family circle. Since SA was part of the staging, the killer had to have known what had been done to JB previously. The simplest explanation is that the killer and abuser were one and the same.

If the lethal asphyxiation occurred before the head blow, the question of why the parents did not seek help for an injured JB does not apply, as she was already dead when her skull was fractured. If the ligature were part of an erotic game, the death may have been accidental?

I view the pageants as abusive. PR took over-bearing, physical control of her daughter when she dyed her hair. "She's blonde." - shows that this matter was uppermost in PR's mind. That she needed to be changed in order to compete successfully could have impacted JB's self-esteem. - "I don't feel pretty." Perhaps, JB's abuser was a voyeur? Cameras, costumes and performances formed much of JB's limited life experience.

That JB did not fend off her attacker is significant. The need to explain this fact contributed to the stun gun fantasy.

proust20,

The simplest explanation is that the killer and abuser were one and the same.

Apparently death by asphyxiation was staged down in the basement, consider the use of the paintbrush, yet JonBenet was patently relocated to the basement from upstairs, why bother her bedroom makes for a good crime-scene, or was the killer not the same person who abused her, I reckon so?

With Patsy's fibers embedded into the ligature knotting she is prime suspect for asphyxiating JonBenet!

Corner Meyer states in his Autopsy Report that death was due to the combination of ligature asphyxiation and the head blow resulting in Hypoxia. So the head blow likely preceded the ligature asphyxiation.

There was no erotic game, with her hair entagled in the ligature knotting any gameplay would mean her hair being pulled out at the roots. Erotic games applying oxygen deprivation are prediminately a male fetish.

Consider David Carradine who had a role in Kung Fu, he died accidentally at the age of 72 due to autoerotic asphyxiation, found in a hotel wardrobe I think, check your favorite search engine for more.
David Carradine - Wikipedia

I view the pageants as abusive.

I agree, looks like eye-candy for pedophiles, etc. Not to mention all the video footage available, legally, online.

Perhaps, JB's abuser was a voyeur?

Yes, someone quite taken by a young girl performing out of context and adopting adult themed poses, etc.

That JB did not fend off her attacker is significant. The need to explain this fact contributed to the stun gun fantasy.

Yet another clue she knew her attacker.

Could be JonBenet said NO to her abuser, like no more, so her abuser, enraged, whacked her on the head, then proceeded to a post-mortem sexual assault culminating in the pajama bottoms left on JonBenet's bedroom soiled with fecal matter?

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[proust20]

Of the three Rs in the house on Christmas evening, PR seems the least likely abuser IMO. Her physical evidence incorporated in the ligature most definitely weighs heavily against her. The use of the paintbrush to cover up the prior abuse doesn't help her case either. However, there aren't any of PR's hairs anywhere else on JB or her apparel? Both blunt force trauma and asphyxiation are methods of homicidal women. But PDI requires complicated, oblique reasoning to establish motive. Also, her RN does not refer to SA under its surface, as I am able to interpret it.

The choking game is predominately a male fixation. Still, that does not rule it out for heterosexual engagement. This game can start, stop and begin anew. It could have gone haywire at some point, resulting in JB's hair being torn out? The SA has the advantage of offering an uncomplicated motive.

BR, not being a fan, said - "She was always flaunting herself." This comment positions JB in the role of exhibitionist, a role necessary for a voyeur. While the chronic SA is known, the predilections of her abuser(s) are not. Likewise, we know nothing about what the basement photos contain. JB could have been a Barbie doll IRL for someone? The doll and the Barbie nightgown on the WC floor were sardonic allusions to her status as a mere toy, and not comforting gestures?

If the head blow were first that would push the time line further back, considering the time between it and the asphyxiation. Some speculate that the fracture pattern on her skull indicates that JB was prone when struck. That would fit into a bedroom CS. The WC was chosen as it was windowless.

Somehow, the scheduled, pointlessly hectic trip to Charlevoix looms over events?

 

[UKGuy]

Of the three Rs in the house on Christmas evening, PR seems the least likely abuser IMO. Her physical evidence incorporated in the ligature most definitely weighs heavily against her. The use of the paintbrush to cover up the prior abuse doesn't help her case either. However, there aren't any of PR's hairs anywhere else on JB or her apparel? Both blunt force trauma and asphyxiation are methods of homicidal women. But PDI requires complicated, oblique reasoning to establish motive. Also, her RN does not refer to SA under its surface, as I am able to interpret it.

The choking game is predominately a male fixation. Still, that does not rule it out for heterosexual engagement. This game can start, stop and begin anew. It could have gone haywire at some point, resulting in JB's hair being torn out? The SA has the advantage of offering an uncomplicated motive.

BR, not being a fan, said - "She was always flaunting herself." This comment positions JB in the role of exhibitionist, a role necessary for a voyeur. While the chronic SA is known, the predilections of her abuser(s) are not. Likewise, we know nothing about what the basement photos contain. JB could have been a Barbie doll IRL for someone? The doll and the Barbie nightgown on the WC floor were sardonic allusions to her status as a mere toy, and not comforting gestures?

If the head blow were first that would push the time line further back, considering the time between it and the asphyxiation. Some speculate that the fracture pattern on her skull indicates that JB was prone when struck. That would fit into a bedroom CS. The WC was chosen as it was windowless.

Somehow, the scheduled, pointlessly hectic trip to Charlevoix looms over events?

proust20,

Of the three Rs in the house on Christmas evening, PR seems the least likely abuser IMO. Her physical evidence incorporated in the ligature most definitely weighs heavily against her. The use of the paintbrush to cover up the prior abuse doesn't help her case either. However, there aren't any of PR's hairs anywhere else on JB or her apparel? Both blunt force trauma and asphyxiation are methods of homicidal women. But PDI requires complicated, oblique reasoning to establish motive. Also, her RN does not refer to SA under its surface, as I am able to interpret it.

No PR hairs is irrelevant as her fibers should not be in the wine-cellar, period. Her fibers not only link her directly to the crime-scene, but also being on the sticky side of the duct-tape, they place her there!

There is no mention of SA in the RN as it was intended to be staged away.

Her motive is to cover up for either BR or JR, it cannot be herself otherwise she would have answers for the size-12 underwear, and she might have deposited less forensic evidence.

The choking game is predominately a male fixation. Still, that does not rule it out for heterosexual engagement. This game can start, stop and begin anew. It could have gone haywire at some point, resulting in JB's hair being torn out? The SA has the advantage of offering an uncomplicated motive.

It's not a game it's a fetish with a Greek name. Not for young boys and definitely not girls.

JonBenet's hair was still entangled in the ligature knotting. You can see this if you care to view the autopsy photographs, where it's evident where Coroner Meyer has snipped through JonBenet's hair to release it from the knotting, i.e. lack of evidence to support erotic asphyxiation.

BR, not being a fan, said - "She was always flaunting herself." This comment positions JB in the role of exhibitionist, a role necessary for a voyeur. While the chronic SA is known, the predilections of her abuser(s) are not. Likewise, we know nothing about what the basement photos contain. JB could have been a Barbie doll IRL for someone? The doll and the Barbie nightgown on the WC floor were sardonic allusions to her status as a mere toy, and not comforting gestures?

BR was a fan, he went to the pageants, nobody forced him to go, some things he never cared for, but watching JonBenet and other girls posing, etc, was likely of interest, possibly even erotic given his age and ongoing pubesence?

The Barbie Nightgown, JonBenet either wore to bed or was redressed in it as part of a prior staging. I doubt it has any toy allusions or aspects. It has notable aspects that it was bloodstained and contained deposits of Patsy's and Burke's touch-dna. From which you can place the stager in JonBenet's bedroom!

If the head blow were first that would push the time line further back, considering the time between it and the asphyxiation. Some speculate that the fracture pattern on her skull indicates that JB was prone when struck. That would fit into a bedroom CS. The WC was chosen as it was windowless.

The WC was the Ramsey's big staging mistake. From memory JonBenet had internal brain bleeding, only possible if her heart was still pumping, suggesting the head blow came first, followed by the ligature asphyxiation?

 

[icedtea4me]

<snip>

It is also likely JonBenet was in verbal conflict with her abuser, consider Patsy's account of matching outfits to the White's Christmas Party, suggesting JonBenet was growing up fast, or too fast if she was being fed a distorted view of relationships?

Was JonBenet becoming tired of being told what to wear?

</snip>

Patsy: "Look, JonBenet! I got a bike for Christmas and you got a bike for Christmas! Isn't that nice?

JonBenet: .....

Patsy: "Your new dolly looks just like you, JonBenet! I have an idea! We can find a pair of black pants and a red sweater for your new dolly and we can all look alike when we go to the Whites' home this evening!"

JonBenet: .....

 

[proust20]

The choking game is described in Wikipedia, which says that it is also called the fainting game. According to this entry, it is distinct from erotic asphyxiation. It goes on to say that the choking/fainting game is pursued primarily by children and teens to get high without taking drugs. Children do not play it for sexual gratification, unlike erotic asphyxiation. The game is seldom played in adulthood. Of course, seldom does not mean never. The desired effect is caused by cerebral hypoxia. Since 1995, at least 82 youths between 6 (a noteworthy age) and 19 died in the USA as a result of this practice. A tell-tale sign of taking part in this activity is bruising of the neck. Just adding that some of JB's pageant outfits included a choker.

When it comes to PR's RN, my point is that, as I read it, her unconscious mind did not allude to knowledge of the SA in the way that it betrayed her awareness that JB was dead. An outside chance that the autopsy findings surprised her? A reason for her denial of the findings? Not likely, but possible.

 

[UKGuy]

The choking game is described in Wikipedia, which says that it is also called the fainting game. According to this entry, it is distinct from erotic asphyxiation. It goes on to say that the choking/fainting game is pursued primarily by children and teens to get high without taking drugs. Children do not play it for sexual gratification, unlike erotic asphyxiation. The game is seldom played in adulthood. Of course, seldom does not mean never. The desired effect is caused by cerebral hypoxia. Since 1995, at least 82 youths between 6 (a noteworthy age) and 19 died in the USA as a result of this practice. A tell-tale sign of taking part in this activity is bruising of the neck. Just adding that some of JB's pageant outfits included a choker.

When it comes to PR's RN, my point is that, as I read it, her unconscious mind did not allude to knowledge of the SA in the way that it betrayed her awareness that JB was dead. An outside chance that the autopsy findings surprised her? A reason for her denial of the findings? Not likely, but possible.

proust20,
A choking game or erotic asphyxiation both induce hypoxia. There was no evidence of either taking place.

wrt Patsy: depends on who whacked JonBenet on the head. If it was BR or JR then Patsy may have been unaware as was Coroner Meyer until he peeled back JonBenet's scalp to reveal her skull fracture.

If the case is BDI then it is likely BR applied some amateur staging, e.g. redressing JonBenet in his long johns and the size-12 Bloomingdale's underwear along with cleaning her up, see the Corner's verbatim remarks on this topic.

If BR whacked JonBenet out of anger he might not reveal this to Patsy and declare JonBenet fell over, etc?

Prior to Christmas JonBenet was undergoing weekly therapy sessions, possibly to deal with Playing Doctor, as alluded to by LHP?

So Patsy as well as JR would know all about this as JR had to pay Dr. Beuf's monthly medical invoices.

So any SA signs would obviously be unwelcome for Patsy but no real surprise, hence the staging.

Just consider how amateur the staging is. Patsy or John would never have dressed JonBenet as she was found, this defeats the entire purpose of the staging.

Patsy in her version of events even says she fetched Burke's long johns from JonBenet's bathroom drawer, why inject Burke into a homicide staging, why not play safe and use one of her numerous nightgowns?

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[icedtea4me]

<snip>Patsy in her version of events even says she fetched Burke's long johns from JonBenet's bathroom drawer, why inject Burke into a homicide staging, why not play safe and use one of her numerous nightgowns?

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Long johns = John was long that night = John had an erection.

 

[proust20]

The simplest explanation is that the abuser, the killer and the author of the RN are all the same person. Unsurprisingly, this amounts to PDI. I do have a problem with PR's motive; but, motive is not necessary to prove a case. Attempting to assign rational thinking to irrationality is a mistake. As I see it, the problem with ST's bed-wetting provocation is establishing what was used for the head blow. Also, PR was dependent on JR. Wouldn't she have sought his assistance readily, rather than going solo throughout the night?

The staging may be amateurish. However, it was successful, and so proved sufficient. If PR carried the body to the WC, there should be even more of her fiber and/or DNA evidence on JB? There is no reason to believe that PR didn't shower. (One solution to the Lizzie Borden murders is that she stripped naked when wielding the infamous ax.) The GAP shirt was part of the redressing. The long johns and size 12s could be the products of shock and panic? The urine stained underwear indicate that JB was asphyxiated while wearing them, and so she was already redressed before she died.

A detail which seems askew is that Dr. Beuf was the one who gave the Rs Valium. Surely, given PR's medical history, she had to have had numerous doctors available. Calling JB's pediatrician must have been part of their early circling of the wagons. How did the Rs manage to keep him silent? A doctor for children who is rather blithe about the murder of one of his patients. Another remarkable, shameful aspect.

 

[UKGuy]

The simplest explanation is that the abuser, the killer and the author of the RN are all the same person. Unsurprisingly, this amounts to PDI. I do have a problem with PR's motive; but, motive is not necessary to prove a case. Attempting to assign rational thinking to irrationality is a mistake. As I see it, the problem with ST's bed-wetting provocation is establishing what was used for the head blow. Also, PR was dependent on JR. Wouldn't she have sought his assistance readily, rather than going solo throughout the night?

The staging may be amateurish. However, it was successful, and so proved sufficient. If PR carried the body to the WC, there should be even more of her fiber and/or DNA evidence on JB? There is no reason to believe that PR didn't shower. (One solution to the Lizzie Borden murders is that she stripped naked when wielding the infamous ax.) The GAP shirt was part of the redressing. The long johns and size 12s could be the products of shock and panic? The urine stained underwear indicate that JB was asphyxiated while wearing them, and so she was already redressed before she died.

A detail which seems askew is that Dr. Beuf was the one who gave the Rs Valium. Surely, given PR's medical history, she had to have had numerous doctors available. Calling JB's pediatrician must have been part of their early circling of the wagons. How did the Rs manage to keep him silent? A doctor for children who is rather blithe about the murder of one of his patients. Another remarkable, shameful aspect.

proust20,
I seriously doubt the case is PDI. It could be as there is no smoking gun.

Yet Patsy as suspect Stager-in-Chief had no credible explanation for the size-12's.

Remember she did for Burke's long-johns, so why not take size-6 Bloomingdale's from the same drawer?

Patsy more than anyone else would have realized how much of a red flag the size-12's would have been. She is allegedly staging for herself!

The staging may be amateurish. However, it was successful

Nope, it failed , in the case of Samuel Holmes Sheppard i.e. The Fugitive fame, it was successful.

We really know and can prove there is staging in the JonBenet case, just think size-12 Bloomingdale's underwear.

Yes, Dr. Beuf, is a dark horse in the case. Did he dispose of the children's medical records ethically, did he prescribe JR and PR the tranquilizers knowing full well they might have been involved in a homicide?

Alike other players in this case it has been alleged he took the Ramsey shilling and retired in some comfort.

Will we ever know, possibly once those involved have passed on. The documentaries will pop up claiming new evidence, e.g. bank records reveal X, Y and Z, etc.

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[icedtea4me]

<snip>Remember she did for Burke's long-johns, so why not take size-6 Bloomingdale's from the same drawer?

Patsy more than anyone else would have realized how much of a red flag the size-12's would have been. She is allegedly staging for herself!

</snip>

It was reported that all of the pairs of underwear in JonBenet's drawer had fecal stains on them so, for Patsy, imo, none of them would do.

 

[UKGuy]

It was reported that all of the pairs of underwear in JonBenet's drawer had fecal stains on them so, for Patsy, imo, none of them would do.

icedtea4me,
Really, you have a BPD source for this, any photographs, you know, like when they lay them out with tag-arrows pointing to marks etc?

According to Patsy JonBenet would have had access to 14-pairs of Bloomingdale's underwear.

Remember BPD have never itemized JonBenet's underwear by size or brand.

IMO the right size of underwear, fecal stains or not, would not only be preferable to the size-12's, a big red flag, but would at least have the merit of fitting the crime-scene staging.

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[SweaterGirl]

I've always leaned full PDI. Motive? I believe it's possible that PR was aware that her friends planned an intervention about the "mega JBR thing" that had apparently gotten out of hand. Perhaps this "mega JBR thing" was about more than PR's controlling of JBR or her living vicariously through her child. Perhaps it was about abuse, whether physical or sexual, and PR, not knowing what secrets might be exposed by an intervention, may have made sure (she thought) that her secrets or shame died with JBR before that could happen.
As for the size 12's, I don't find this refutes the idea of PR's sole guilt at all. She knew JBR coveted those underwear. She knew where they were and that they were clean. And she, of all people, would have needed that visual word "Wednesday" to appear like a time stamp on the TOD as she wished it perceived: Christmas, and Wednesday. JMOO.

 

[icedtea4me]

icedtea4me,
Really, you have a BPD source for this, any photographs, you know, like when they lay them out with tag-arrows pointing to marks etc?

According to Patsy JonBenet would have had access to 14-pairs of Bloomingdale's underwear.

Remember BPD have never itemized JonBenet's underwear by size or brand.

IMO the right size of underwear, fecal stains or not, would not only be preferable to the size-12's, a big red flag, but would at least have the merit of fitting the crime-scene staging.

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• Holly Smith Account. In late 2006, it was reported that Holly Smith, head of Boulder County Sexual Abuse Team, visited JBR's bedroom on the third day of the investigation. "Smith says most of the panties in JonBenet’s dresser drawers had been soiled with fecal material." This account has been challenged on several grounds: JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / Second Floor

 

[UKGuy]

• Holly Smith Account. In late 2006, it was reported that Holly Smith, head of Boulder County Sexual Abuse Team, visited JBR's bedroom on the third day of the investigation. "Smith says most of the panties in JonBenet’s dresser drawers had been soiled with fecal material." This account has been challenged on several grounds: JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / Second Floor

icedtea4me,
You said:

it was reported that all of the pairs of underwear in JonBenet's drawer had fecal stains on them so, for Patsy, imo, none of them would do.

BBM

Holly Smith is quoted saying:

"Smith says most of the panties in JonBenet's dresser drawers had been soiled with fecal material."

BBM

Which is not all of them. According to Patsy the Bloomingdale's were brand new purchased in New York at JonBenet's request.

This is why Patsy was repeatedly asked had she ever washed the Bloomingdale's underwear, seen JonBenet wearing them etc?

Patsy said no and suggested LHP did all of that.


Point being when Patsy went to allegedly fetch Burke's long johns from the drawer, she had a pick of some new, clean Bloomingdale's to select from.

This is Patsy's version of events ...

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