A view from the fence

[Claycat]

Maryam, I haven't ever thought the McCanns killed Madeleine, either accidentally or otherwise. I do believe they were neglectful, because it is never good to leave children alone. However, I imagine they have mentally kicked themselves from day one.

In fact, I believe Madeleine is still alive. Of course, that may be wishful thinking, but I hope I'm right!

This is my own opinion, to which I am entitled.

An opinion is an opinion is an opinion... I don't have to back it up; I just have to believe it. After all, opinions are all we really have on the Madeleine forum, because she has not been found, and there has been no trial. Even if you think your opinion is the correct one, it is still just an opinion.


This is a quote from Wikipedia.

"An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. An opinion is neither right nor wrong. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

 

[saggymoon]

I have followed this case since the day after Madeleine disappeared, and I've followed it as close as I possibly could. I have two children who are exactly the age of Madeleine and the twins, and maybe that is why it grasped my attention more than any other case of child abduction.

For a long time, I was convinced that Madeleine had an accident while being left alone in the apartment, and that her parents covered it up. Now, two years later, I have climbed the fence again, as I've had a lot of time to think the whole case through.

If one of the McCanns had discovered that Madeleine is dead, and disposed of her that night, the Tapas 9 must know that the McCanns statements about what they've been doing that night was a lie.

What made me change my mind is the fact that I just can't believe that all of the Tapas-friends would cover for the McCanns. The McCanns have a lot to lose if it turns out that they've put their children into a position where one of them tragically died. But on the other hand- so have their friends who were with them that evening. I just can't believe that all of the Tapas 9 would cover for the McCanns and possibly risk jail, and losing their children too. None of them could be sure that Madeleine wouldn't be found later, or that the police wouldn't be able to prove she died in the apartment. To me it looks as the Tapas 9 had even more to lose by lying than the McCanns. It's not as if they all had several days to think this through, and to make sure they've all had a plausible story and timeline to stick to. They' would have had few hours only, and I believe most of these hours would have been very chaotic.

It also seems strange that none of them has ever come forward with their knowledge and that all of them have kept their secrets without ever spilling anything.

I find it also unlikely that someone would be able to dispose of a body in a country they don't know, without it being found later.

That's my 2cents, pardon my poor English. I hope to see your view of my aspect.

I dont know what happened but all i know with absolute certainty is that i do not believe them and they have continually lied about much, if they were innocent there would be no lies ergo they are not innocent at all

in fact the public prosecutors final report states they lied and also failed to prove their innocence by refusing to do a reconstruction, and at the end of the day they have not been cleared as innocent, the case was shelved because no evidence was found of any crime, no concrete evidence, the crime being abduction, accidental or wilful homicide

 

[brit1981]

You cannot clear anyone as innocent. In the EU the law is that all people are innocent, until they have been tried and convicted of a crime. They have never been found to be lying, or charged with making false statements to police. They are no longer aguidos (which is not the same as suspect in English, in fact it is not uncommon for someone to ask to be made an aguido as you can then get legal help), that is as much as anyone can get without being charged with a crime and then going to trial. In fact in England trials do not find people innnocent, they either find them guilty or not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. There is no innocent option.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

I've always thought that Murat and Malinka should be more closely looked into, because I think there was supposed to have been a very short phone call between them both later that night, which I found odd. I think Murat said he couldn't remember the call and Malinka said he hadn't contacted Murat in a year. They must have lied if records of phone calls were found. Also, if the McCanns had nothing to do with this crime then the real abductor/s must be clapping their hands in glee at the way the whole focus has shifted towards the parents.

 

[brit1981]

I've always thought that Murat and Malinka should be more closely looked into, because I think there was supposed to have been a very short phone call between them both later that night, which I found odd. I think Murat said he couldn't remember the call and Malinka said he hadn't contacted Murat in a year. They must have lied if records of phone calls were found. Also, if the McCanns had nothing to do with this crime then the real abductor/s must be clapping their hands in glee at the way the whole focus has shifted towards the parents.

I would double chec the 'phone call thing because there was a lot of incorrect information given out in the media about Murat, just lie there was with the mccanns. he actually won an apology and compensation. The problem is that with the onset of online news, and 24 hour news, the media have gone crazy and have got into bad habits regarding just making things up, hacking into victims 'phones and interfering with police investigations ( as well as bribes to police and hospital staff etc). It all came to a head with the milly dowler case. If you are not in the UK, look up the leveson inquiry.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

I would double chec the 'phone call thing because there was a lot of incorrect information given out in the media about Murat, just lie there was with the mccanns. he actually won an apology and compensation. The problem is that with the onset of online news, and 24 hour news, the media have gone crazy and have got into bad habits regarding just making things up, hacking into victims 'phones and interfering with police investigations ( as well as bribes to police and hospital staff etc). It all came to a head with the milly dowler case. If you are not in the UK, look up the leveson inquiry.

I've just had a look at the P.J. Police Files and it is mentioned there that both don't remember the call. I'm assuming the files are accurate, but don't know for sure. Also, Murat forgot to mention that he'd met with Malinka on May 2nd at 10am, claiming that he had forgotten the fact. I also noticed whilst reading the files that the date of this meeting seems to conflict too, between Murat, Malinka and Michaela Walczuch, who claims she was with them as well. It was supposed to have been at a supermarket cafe.

Murat

Malinka

Michaela