Ablow nails it? JMK and PR

[hollyjokers]

What does not sit well with me is dismissing evidence.
Sometimes my posts come of as rude and I appologice.
And thank you for putting that smiley in, I am sure you are a great person

And BTW, I myself am not sure at all that there was any prior sexual abuse. I think the 'chronic inflammation' could have been cause by something else, I just don't know what, and it was that I maybe thought you could help me with.

I thought it's most likely cause was from bladder infections, UTI's, that kind of thing, which I believe JonBenet had been treated for & is somewhat common in little girls from not wiping properly, and using bubble bath.

 

[Mary456]

You can't use Susan Smith as a comparison to Patsy Ramsey. Susan Smith had numerous documented mental health issues over the years.

Darlie Routier had absolutely no history of mental health issues, never got so much as a speeding ticket, but she stabbed her two little boys to death when the goin' got rough. So there you go...profiles can be very useful, but they're not infallible.

 

[stonewall]

Darlie Routier had absolutely no history of mental health issues, never got so much as a speeding ticket, but she stabbed her two little boys to death when the goin' got rough. So there you go...profiles can be very useful, but they're not infallible.

Yes, but Darlier had a motive to kill her children. They were in the way of her desired lifestyle just like Susan Smith's. What was Patsy's motive? And please don't say she killed JonBenet because she wet the bed! If she had that kind of temper problem, there should be some previous evidence of it in her life.

 

[mysteriew]

I am not a 'Ramsey did it' believer. The evidence is just too complicated and conflicting. If they did it and were going to write a ransom note to cover for it- then why leave the body in the house? After all they had all the time in the world to dump the body somewhere. At the same time, in the absence of any concrete evidence of an intruder, they can't be ruled out. Still, with Boulder PD there is evidence of them ignoring other possibilities, ignoring part of the evidence that could not be explaining by the RDI theory, so I can't say that I can trust anything anything that rules out the IDI theory.

At the same time, I am not convinced that Karr did it. But I am keeping an open mind about that.

As far as the 'chronic sexual abuse' I can think of several reasons for that. Did JBR ever ride a boy's bicycle? Did she ever have a yeast infection (yes even little girls get them who aren't sexually abused- nylon panties, wiping wrong, bubble baths, even not washing well)? Did JBR ever fall astraddle of anything (ie did she take gymnastics and fall astraddle of the balance beam? Did she ride horses? All of those things could have caused either inflammation or the partial tearing of the hymen.

Also if it was an intruder, was it someone she had already known? The autopsy report does not indicate how often the alleged "abuse" may have gone on or how long ago it was. It is possible that if she was abused, the abuse could have been from the person who would eventually enter the home. Yes little girls do get abused by others and no, little girls do not always tell.

 

[T-Rex]

Bizarre...but wild! What an interesting theory about JK taking the fall for Patsy!

No way did this guy do it, but if they drag this out long enough, does that mean there will be a trial, where we get to hear ALL of the evidence?!

 

[newtv]

YOU don't know anything about this case that isn't already out there, and I don't know anything about this case that isn't already out there. There are MANY experts who refute this "evidence" and even the fact that it is "evidence." You can't deny that. My statement is not "clearly wrong" just because it doesn't support your theory.

exactly-there are as many experts saying one thing as saying another-I am not inclined to believe its the ramseys..that doesnt mean there isnt evidence to support an insider when presented by that camp- I just dont organize my thinking around the interpretation of the evidence in the same way..I organize it around an intruder theory-I am not wrong for it-and those who believe it was the ramseys are not right for it..its well known that perception is personal-no matter what-thats why stats are not even allowed in the courtroom..because stats can be manipulated to support any theory..people who do not know this as is the case in a jury pool could be influenced by stats that are true if used the way they were manipulated.
The ramseys are guilty to the ones who see it that way and not to those of us who dont.
I have said before-the guilty's could be told by God that it was an intruder and still not believe it-if I was told by a supreme influence or a video tape that they were guilty I would change my mind- I bet there could be a video tape of an intruder and the guilties would say the ramseys made it up-thats what I think gets dicey-it doesnt matter what other explanantions there are for evidence the guilties think prove it was the ramseys, its all about them being murderers.
Every nuance of pr's behaviour is interpreted as evil-and I dont see it- feels like the emperor has no clothes-once a position is taken then it stays there..if the ramseys were proven guilty in a court of law then i would be willing to believe it-but the fact that they are already NOT GUILTY doesnt impact the other camp..god-they were not even tried for this case.
Thats a rare occurrence when u think of all the attempts that were made to sting them-trap them-build a case against them etc.
The ransome note is not even the stuff of an intelligent person..if they were covering up then it was the stupidest thing they could have done..and why go on like that-its not even their styles to ramble-now that i see the inside workings of a pedo, I see they do love to ramble on and on.
Anyhow-I just dont see the brutality of this crime being necessary in order to cover it up..they did not have to brutalize her-a kidnapper could kill the child with less brutality too and i would expect that if it was a kidnapping.

I still do not believe that the Santa character had nothing todo with it-they had their own daughter abducted-and then wrote a book describing jbr's exact mode of death..I mean that right there is weird.
anyhow
if u think they are guilty so be it-but its not fair to write the rest of us off as ignorant for not agreeing with your interpretation of the evidence.
It has never been clear enuf for an arrest-so how is it so clear to all of you;...we dont even have access to the exact documents etc and we know better than a 10 year investigation?

 

[dottierainbow]

Newt wonderful post!
Amy

 

[Zelda]

SuperDave said:

I don't know. Richard Krugman said that JB had old vaginal injuries from physical abuse over bedwetting and the housekeeper said that Patsy used the bathroom as a punishment room. You could hear JB screaming.

Who Is Krugman?

It's very bizzare to think a mother would use her finger(s) in a private place to punish the child for bedwetting. There are other methods PR could use as a punishment--from making the child wear the soiled clothes, to a time out, to a spanking, even making the child sit on the toilet for a time out.

Do you have a citation for the above? I never saw anything that suggests that PR would use vaginal penatration to punish a child. It's too bizarre.

 

[newtv]

Newt wonderful post!
Amy

thanku)

 

[BBB167893]

"Julianne don't go. You have every right to be here just as much as the others. They aren't experts either."

Yeah, you're okay.

"If there is SO much evidence that Patsy Ramsey killed JonBenet then why wasn't she arrested?"

OH, BOY! How much time have you got, stonewall?! I can answer that, but it would take a while!

"Darlie Routier had absolutely no history of mental health issues, never got so much as a speeding ticket, but she stabbed her two little boys to death when the goin' got rough. So there you go...profiles can be very useful, but they're not infallible."

Yeah, I didn't want to bring her up!

"What was Patsy's motive? And please don't say she killed JonBenet because she wet the bed! If she had that kind of temper problem, there should be some previous evidence of it in her life."

One of the posters here said she just exploded in public for no reason. No, it's more likely the Snow White angle (JSB!)

"If they did it and were going to write a ransom note to cover for it- then why leave the body in the house? After all they had all the time in the world to dump the body somewhere."

Oh, sure! "I'll just leave the body with a favorite nightgown in the woods where my tiretracks and fibers will be found! maybe I can get spotted on the way!"

"The autopsy report does not indicate how often the alleged "abuse" may have gone on or how long ago it was."

McCann said at least ten days.

"Who Is Krugman?"

Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of the University of Colorado Medical School, an expert first contacted for assistance in the Ramsey case by the D.A.’s office, was the most adamant supporter of the finding of chronic sexual abuse. He felt that in considering the past and present injuries to the hymen that the bedwetting/soiling took on enormous significance. He believed that this homicide was an indecent of “toilet rage” and subsequent cover up. He told the group of experts and detectives about another Colorado case where both parents had been at home and both were charged. “The JonBenet case is a text book example of toileting abuse rage," Krugman stated.

"It's very bizzare to think a mother would use her finger(s) in a private place to punish the child for bedwetting. There are other methods PR could use as a punishment--from making the child wear the soiled clothes, to a time out, to a spanking, even making the child sit on the toilet for a time out."

Perhaps she wiped too hard.

"Do you have a citation for the above? I never saw anything that suggests that PR would use vaginal penatration to punish a child. It's too bizarre."

It's there for you.