AB's involvement?

[vjlaw]

Didn't Elisa's application for an attorney say that AB was pulling about $600 per month? I would have to go and try to find the link, but I think that indicates he was working less than full time. It may also be that the house rent was deducted from his pay, therefore bring home was much less.

I think so too. Even if the rent was deducted, not sure if that would still be full-time. If full-time, I would think some sort of health insurance would have been offered to the employees too. jmo

 

[westsidefox64]

Im so confused about what is acceptible on what thread so if this is the wrong place I appoligize.
Im a 46 year old woman. I run a chainsaw because we burn wood for heat. I use an axe and splitting maul. My husband runs a constuction business and I help when he needs it. I can run saws, drills,etc...many power tools. I dig holes to bury my kids pets that die. I run a tractor to move hay bales for the horses and cows. I can drive farm trucks, combines, planters etc...
I just dont understand why people think EB couldnt do these things. She grew up a poor southern girl. When you grow up poor you learn to do things for yourself.
I personally think she could run saws, knives etc...I dont think she needed a man in her life for these things.

I also just want to make a comment on AB and his possible involvement. I see where people think he has to be a part of all this. I 100% agree he did things wrong by not protecting his daughter. I 100% agree he shouldnt have kept her away from ED, or taken her away from KB. I just dont agree that these things show he didnt love his daughter. I dont agree that this makes him guilty of killing her either. Do I think he checked out and let the women in his life deal with Zahra YES I DO. Alot of people who have kids do this and never get in trouble.
I had a father who was a drunk and beat my mother made life a living hell for years and then left my mom to raise 7 children. He came back when I was 23 and tried to tell me how to raise my kids. Do I think he should have went to jail for it NO (short of the wife beating) Do I think it made him an a**h*** YES I DO.
People make bad decisions through out life. Doesnt make them a murderer. JMO

 

[tlcya]

ty westside for your input on the power tools, etc. I agree, just because someone is female does not make them less able to run chainsaws, etc. Granted most would assume that is "man" stuff. You and I know that when your man uses these items daily, women often are just as capable of using them and knowledgeable about them.

I also think those who assume AB must be involved in the dismemberment simply because he was the man and versed in using tools are making a leap I cannot follow as my life experience tells me otherwise.

I believe AB is involved, I just cannot conclude yet in what way, how and at what point he became involved.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

*personal opinion*

I actually don't think AB was involved in the dismemberment. I just can't see him being involved in that part of the crime.

Actual disposal of body parts: unsure.
Knowledge of the crime way before the report, and involved in the coverup and the planning of the coverup: you better believe it.

...and on his way to prison.

 

[ynotdivein]

Hi guys. Had to step away for a bit. This one is heavy. (As you all know&#8230

So as for AB's involvement, bear with me as I outline some of what has been rolling around in my head....

Given the information we have at this time, I have a hard time differentiating whether AB participated in the death or was merely complicit through ignoring what was beneath his nose. I know this is a HUGE difference legally, but believe it's not so different morally. (And even legally, can't one be charged with a crime that someone else did that you were present for and did not stop, or were aware of and did not report?) So I am looking at three basic possibilities here:

A. He participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal.
B. He was not involved in anything but a coverup (others were involved in the death/dismemberment/dispersal, but he actively lied to cover for them).
C. He is completely innocent of knowledge about what happened to Zahra, who did it, or any cover-up attempts.

A. Items that indicate AB participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal:
1. Zahra was not seen by neighbors at the 21st Ave. NW home or neighborhood since they lived there.
2. AB did not appear to mention that he had a daughter to the neighbors there.
3. AB had access to the tools necessary to dismember Zahra, and intimate knowledge of how to use them (i.e., which tool might be best for which part of the job--not that it had to be him operating the equipment!)
4. AB himself floated the kidnapping theory in his 911 call.
5. AB was confused as to the last day he "100% genuinely saw Zahra out of bed"--Tuesday. No, Thursday.
6. Cadaver dogs hit on both the Camry (“family car&#8221 and the Tahoe (AB’s “work vehicle&#8221 during the search of the house and grounds.
7. Early reports from LE that while AB was cooperating, it was less than enthusiastic, and from other LE that they did not believe he was sincere, and then LE refusal to say whether or not he was cooperating (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html is the best I can find for this right now… hmmm, down which rabbit hole do these online articles disappear?)
8. LE decided early in the investigation to search AB’s work site.
9. AB clearly participated in the decision not to enroll Zahra in school this school year. “Zahra attended Hudson Elementary School in third grade during the latter part of the 2008-09 academic year, then in 2009-10 for fourth grade. She did not return this year, and according to several reports, her parents told Caldwell County Schools officials that they were home-schooling their daughter.” Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html#ixzz162iT2Sjp


B. Items that indicate AB was not involved in anything but a coverup:
1. His inability to keep a storyline straight may indicate that it is not a story that he concocted, but instead he was trying to remember “instructions” given by another.
2. He was in a line of work that can require long work days, including leaving before Zahra may have been out of bed and returning after she was asleep. Absent AB’s work records such as timecards, we can’t determine how much he worked in the weeks leading up to her death.

C. Items that indicate AB was unaware of what happened to Zahra, or of any cover-up attempts.
1. Anecdotal reports from AUS and US that EB was manipulative and controlling, while AB was meek.
2. EB able to trick AB into thinking that AY was her brother, not her husband.

Just my thoughts... I'm sure I am forgetting things here so feel free to add or disagree or ignore completely!

 

[marspiter]

BBM.

IF it finally plays out. I'm beginning to wonder if charges will ever be brought against these two. I hope and pray this case doesn't go cold.

I posted this on another thread but thought I would kind of repost it here. We need to remember that this is a very high profile case. Just recently the state SBI lab has been under investigation for misconduct. They are going to be handling the evidence in this case.

So I think that is one thing that is going to really slow this case down because the states SBI lab can not afford any more mistakes after it's recent investigation where several cases were overturned because of the labs misconduct. A couple of which were death penalty cases. I believe Mr. Gaither's office is going to make sure this one is done right.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hi guys. Had to step away for a bit. This one is heavy. (As you all know&#8230

So as for AB's involvement, bear with me as I outline some of what has been rolling around in my head....

Given the information we have at this time, I have a hard time differentiating whether AB participated in the death or was merely complicit through ignoring what was beneath his nose. I know this is a HUGE difference legally, but believe it's not so different morally. (And even legally, can't one be charged with a crime that someone else did that you were present for and did not stop, or were aware of and did not report?) So I am looking at three basic possibilities here:

A. He participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal.
B. He was not involved in anything but a coverup (others were involved in the death/dismemberment/dispersal, but he actively lied to cover for them).
C. He is completely innocent of knowledge about what happened to Zahra, who did it, or any cover-up attempts.

A. Items that indicate AB participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal:
1. Zahra was not seen by neighbors at the 21st Ave. NW home or neighborhood since they lived there.
2. AB did not appear to mention that he had a daughter to the neighbors there.
3. AB had access to the tools necessary to dismember Zahra, and intimate knowledge of how to use them (i.e., which tool might be best for which part of the job--not that it had to be him operating the equipment!)
4. AB himself floated the kidnapping theory in his 911 call.
5. AB was confused as to the last day he "100% genuinely saw Zahra out of bed"--Tuesday. No, Thursday.
6. Cadaver dogs hit on both the Camry (“family car&#8221 and the Tahoe (AB’s “work vehicle&#8221 during the search of the house and grounds.
7. Early reports from LE that while AB was cooperating, it was less than enthusiastic, and from other LE that they did not believe he was sincere, and then LE refusal to say whether or not he was cooperating (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html is the best I can find for this right now… hmmm, down which rabbit hole do these online articles disappear?)
8. LE decided early in the investigation to search AB’s work site.
9. AB clearly participated in the decision not to enroll Zahra in school this school year. “Zahra attended Hudson Elementary School in third grade during the latter part of the 2008-09 academic year, then in 2009-10 for fourth grade. She did not return this year, and according to several reports, her parents told Caldwell County Schools officials that they were home-schooling their daughter.” Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html#ixzz162iT2Sjp


B. Items that indicate AB was not involved in anything but a coverup:
1. His inability to keep a storyline straight may indicate that it is not a story that he concocted, but instead he was trying to remember “instructions” given by another.
2. He was in a line of work that can require long work days, including leaving before Zahra may have been out of bed and returning after she was asleep. Absent AB’s work records such as timecards, we can’t determine how much he worked in the weeks leading up to her death.

C. Items that indicate AB was unaware of what happened to Zahra, or of any cover-up attempts.
1. Anecdotal reports from AUS and US that EB was manipulative and controlling, while AB was meek.
2. EB able to trick AB into thinking that AY was her brother, not her husband.

Just my thoughts... I'm sure I am forgetting things here so feel free to add or disagree or ignore completely!

Great post, Ynot!

I would add this: In the GMA interview he flat out lied about searching for Zahra before calling police. He said he got home at shortly before 2pm, started doing some work in the yard, then talked to EB about Zahra missing, then searched the house, then searched the neighborhood, then walked back to the house and called police. How is that possible? The 911 call came in at 1:58? Even if his definition of "shortly before 2 pm" is 1:30 pm, that still doesn't leave time to do all that he said he did.

So, if he didn't feel it neccesary to do an actual search for his daughter, what does THAT tell you?

JMO

 

[ynotdivein]

Great post, Ynot!

I would add this: In the GMA interview he flat out lied about searching for Zahra before calling police. He said he got home at shortly before 2pm, started doing some work in the yard, then talked to EB about Zahra missing, then searched the house, then searched the neighborhood, then walked back to the house and called police. How is that possible? The 911 call came in at 1:58? Even if his definition of "shortly before 2 pm" is 1:30 pm, that still doesn't leave time to do all that he said he did.

So, if he didn't feel it neccesary to do an actual search for his daughter, what does THAT tell you?

JMO

I keep thinking about that and on the one hand, when you go into panic mode, you know how time moves in weird ways? It seems like it's been 20 minutes and it's been over an hour. It felt like you were searching for an hour, and it was 10 minutes. You say you searched "the block" but you mean you looked out in the front yard and up and down the street.. I mean, if he IS utterly innocent, and his 911 call is the first time it was really starting to dawn on him that his wife had done Something Very Very Bad, then I can give him more leeway on not remembering exactly what time it was...

This is all very :banghead:.

I can see that for almost every item I listed in my "A" category above, there could be a reasonable explanation. One thing that gets me is, if AB had time even occasionally to talk to Mr. B, the neighbor, "over the fence" as it were like neighbors do, and yet Mr. B didn't know there was a child in the house--where was Zahra? Not playing in the backyard, the whole time they lived there? :waitasec: I just think any 10 year old would have loved to have a big backyard like that to play in. Mulch piles? Mountain hideaways for dolls! Racetracks for pinecone racecars! Bugs like roly-polys under leaves and logs! King of the hill and all that... And no one EVER saw or heard Zahra there.

 

[Clue Hopper]

I keep thinking about that and on the one hand, when you go into panic mode, you know how time moves in weird ways? It seems like it's been 20 minutes and it's been over an hour. It felt like you were searching for an hour, and it was 10 minutes. You say you searched "the block" but you mean you looked out in the front yard and up and down the street.. I mean, if he IS utterly innocent, and his 911 call is the first time it was really starting to dawn on him that his wife had done Something Very Very Bad, then I can give him more leeway on not remembering exactly what time it was...

This is all very :banghead:.

I can see that for almost every item I listed in my "A" category above, there could be a reasonable explanation. One thing that gets me is, if AB had time even occasionally to talk to Mr. B, the neighbor, "over the fence" as it were like neighbors do, and yet Mr. B didn't know there was a child in the house--where was Zahra? Not playing in the backyard, the whole time they lived there? :waitasec: I just think any 10 year old would have loved to have a big backyard like that to play in. Mulch piles? Mountain hideaways for dolls! Racetracks for pinecone racecars! Bugs like roly-polys under leaves and logs! King of the hill and all that... And no one EVER saw or heard Zahra there.

I might be able to answer that. The yard was not fenced. It had parking lots connecting on one side and the back. The back yard was also used for big trucks to haul wood in and out. They also chopped wood back there. I heard (can't prove) there was a guy there that did the chopping of the wood frequently. So it would be unsafe for her to be back there. IMO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay, Ynot. But I'm putting that "searched the house and neighborhood" malarky on MY list, because I say he's lying through his teeth.

JMO

 

[westsidefox64]

Hi guys. Had to step away for a bit. This one is heavy. (As you all know…)

So as for AB's involvement, bear with me as I outline some of what has been rolling around in my head....

Given the information we have at this time, I have a hard time differentiating whether AB participated in the death or was merely complicit through ignoring what was beneath his nose. I know this is a HUGE difference legally, but believe it's not so different morally. (And even legally, can't one be charged with a crime that someone else did that you were present for and did not stop, or were aware of and did not report?) So I am looking at three basic possibilities here:

A. He participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal.
B. He was not involved in anything but a coverup (others were involved in the death/dismemberment/dispersal, but he actively lied to cover for them).
C. He is completely innocent of knowledge about what happened to Zahra, who did it, or any cover-up attempts.

A. Items that indicate AB participated in (or was aware of) Zahra's death, and actively participated in the dismemberment and dispersal:
1. Zahra was not seen by neighbors at the 21st Ave. NW home or neighborhood since they lived there.
2. AB did not appear to mention that he had a daughter to the neighbors there.
3. AB had access to the tools necessary to dismember Zahra, and intimate knowledge of how to use them (i.e., which tool might be best for which part of the job--not that it had to be him operating the equipment!)
4. AB himself floated the kidnapping theory in his 911 call.
5. AB was confused as to the last day he "100% genuinely saw Zahra out of bed"--Tuesday. No, Thursday.
6. Cadaver dogs hit on both the Camry (“family car”) and the Tahoe (AB’s “work vehicle”) during the search of the house and grounds.
7. Early reports from LE that while AB was cooperating, it was less than enthusiastic, and from other LE that they did not believe he was sincere, and then LE refusal to say whether or not he was cooperating (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html is the best I can find for this right now… hmmm, down which rabbit hole do these online articles disappear?)
8. LE decided early in the investigation to search AB’s work site.
9. AB clearly participated in the decision not to enroll Zahra in school this school year. “Zahra attended Hudson Elementary School in third grade during the latter part of the 2008-09 academic year, then in 2009-10 for fourth grade. She did not return this year, and according to several reports, her parents told Caldwell County Schools officials that they were home-schooling their daughter.” Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/15/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html#ixzz162iT2Sjp


B. Items that indicate AB was not involved in anything but a coverup:
1. His inability to keep a storyline straight may indicate that it is not a story that he concocted, but instead he was trying to remember “instructions” given by another.
2. He was in a line of work that can require long work days, including leaving before Zahra may have been out of bed and returning after she was asleep. Absent AB’s work records such as timecards, we can’t determine how much he worked in the weeks leading up to her death.

C. Items that indicate AB was unaware of what happened to Zahra, or of any cover-up attempts.
1. Anecdotal reports from AUS and US that EB was manipulative and controlling, while AB was meek.
2. EB able to trick AB into thinking that AY was her brother, not her husband.

Just my thoughts... I'm sure I am forgetting things here so feel free to add or disagree or ignore completely!

This quote touched me so personally! I think thats why I personally love WS so much. Everyone is so different but so much the same. We are the same in we all see a horrible misjustice done to someone in this case a 10 yr old cancer surviving pistol of a little girl that has touched us all so much.
You deal with it by backing away and regrouping, I on the other hand am here as soon as I get up and its one of the last things I do before bed at night.
I as well as most if not all of you cannot fathom doing this to a child. I wish there was a way I could make it never happen again and im sure everyone here agrees with this.
I honestly dont think AB had anything to do with this. Maybe its because I couldnt do anything to hurt my chidren. I just think he was way too willing to trust EB. I think she is an evil hateful woman who didnt,doesnt give a D*** about anyone but herself.
I dont pretend to understand how a woman gets a man shes been intimate with for 10 yrs to say hes her brother let alone get her kids to go along with it.I just think someone like that could get someone in he** to buy hot chocolate.
I also dont understand why a abused person will run to the abuser and stand up for that person but it happens all the time. I think if AB saw the signs of abuse when he questioned Zahra she stood up for EB.
I know the dogs hit on both vehicles and the wood chipper. Le ruled the wood chipper out as blood on the motor from a cut from a worker. Whos to say the blood or hit on the work vehicle wasnt the same senerio. I honestly dont know but its a possibility.
All of which I see involving AB as knowing anything can so simply be explained away. I have been accused of searching or reaching to find him innocent. The search and reach wasnt very hard. I think hes a simple guy with simple thoughts and people are putting way to hard of thoughts into his simple life.
I think EB did this I think she masterminded it. I think there are people she can get to do things normal people wouldnt do. Im not at all sure if she didnt have people help without them realising they were helping. I can see her saying to someone I have a bag of bad meat stinking up my refriderator wil you throw it out on your way,and them having no idea it was part of Zahra. JMHO...PS I love reading everyone elses ideas!

 

[Clue Hopper]

I keep thinking about that and on the one hand, when you go into panic mode, you know how time moves in weird ways? It seems like it's been 20 minutes and it's been over an hour. It felt like you were searching for an hour, and it was 10 minutes. You say you searched "the block" but you mean you looked out in the front yard and up and down the street.. I mean, if he IS utterly innocent, and his 911 call is the first time it was really starting to dawn on him that his wife had done Something Very Very Bad, then I can give him more leeway on not remembering exactly what time it was...

This is all very :banghead:.

I can see that for almost every item I listed in my "A" category above, there could be a reasonable explanation. One thing that gets me is, if AB had time even occasionally to talk to Mr. B, the neighbor, "over the fence" as it were like neighbors do, and yet Mr. B didn't know there was a child in the house--where was Zahra? Not playing in the backyard, the whole time they lived there? :waitasec: I just think any 10 year old would have loved to have a big backyard like that to play in. Mulch piles? Mountain hideaways for dolls! Racetracks for pinecone racecars! Bugs like roly-polys under leaves and logs! King of the hill and all that... And no one EVER saw or heard Zahra there.

I was thinking here too. This is a very special little girl. Yes she did things other kids could do and made it a point to show she could. Yet in AB's mindset on searching he could have thought, well she can't be far. She's been sick and she doesn't have her hearing aides. (Assuming he knew that at the time.) Jumped in the vehicle searched the main vicinity, searched the house (either before or after) and called 911 thinking... my wife is always over dramatic. I know she has to have left with someone. Why oh why does EB pull these things all the time. So and so is right....along those lines when he made the call..yet still a little thought lingering could this be possible and that being the reason he did call 911? Just another way of seeing it too.

 

[revampz]

thanks ynotdivein for laying it all out like that.......

I really do not know what to think when it comes to AB........up until he was interviewed I was certain he did the dismembering but not the killing (I think she died of some form of natural cause)........however in that interview he looked and sounded so sincere.....

BUT I just cant see how he did not know something........I wish we could find out how much he had been working those last couple of weeks....if he was working hard then she may have been able to pull the wool over his eyes and say Zahra was asleep etc.....but that would mean he worked 7 days a week ...surely he would have been suss if she was not there on a weekend....

how has he answered these questions to his mother, who is obviously beleiving in his innocence?????

and if it was not him who dismembered her then who???? I really dont think EB did the dismembering

I hope they find out the truth...and I would have thought EB would have been talking by now and instigating him.....anyhow hopefully the truth will come out....

 

[tlcya]

carried from another thread as this one is more on topic

Snipped from CPP post

In answer to your great questions, I'd like to give my theory of what transpired. MOO, is that after arriving in the US AB, over time, became aware of EB's abuse of Zahra. For reasons I can't fathom he allowed it to go on. Additionally, I believe (forgive me for saying it) that AB engaged in and/or permitted sexual abuse of Zahra. With their frequent fighting (according to neighbors / family) and her abuse of the child, I can see EB turning him away from her bed and pointing him in Zahra's direction.

I don't believe Zahra was otherwise well-cared for either. IIRC (and please correct me if I'm wrong) a family member or friend stated rather early on that Zahra remained in her room most of the time except for the 10 or so minutes she was permitted to come out to eat.

Zahra became ill as a result of her mistreatment, was given no medical attention because that mistreatment would have been apparent, alerting authorities, and when she died as a result, AB dismembered the body to cover up evidence of abuse (both physical and sexual), disposed of it, and then disposed of / replaced the mattress in her bedroom. Upon hearing that Zahra's birth-mother had located them and knowing that they would have to produce the child if she'd contacted the local authorities, they concocted the fire, the ransom note and, eventually, AB's 911 call.

Based on the last time he says he saw Zahra, there would not have been time for EB to have killed her / dismembered the body / dug the hole within the hole and dumped the remains there and at the other sites in the short time-span without his notice or involvement. Surely, digging the hole would be a time consuming job... and dismemberment / clean up would have required a fair amount of time as well. This is merely my opinion / theory of what occurred. Hopefully, his own statements, behavior and the forensic evidence will bring AB to justice along with EB.

R.I.P. Zahra... Now you can run, play, jump, laugh to your heart's content.

I cannot gauge whether Z experienced sexual abuse or not but as a survivor of such, I usually have a pretty good sense (radar) for those who are "off" in that way. I get no such red flag feeling for AB.

I am not confident enough in a tingle or a concern to suggest such a thing at this point about anyone.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Here is an article that tells a little bit about AB and Z. I don't know if any of you have read it or not. I know not much has been said about their life in Oz.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/10/...miles-survival-family-friends/comment-page-4/

 

[Lqqkout]

I guess I am of the minority here as I feel AB is as involved if not more with Zahra's death and dismemberment as is EB..imo when AB decided to remove Zahra from her doctors and family in AU and bring her to NC all the while withholding medical care from his daughter he showed a complete lack of love and concern for his daughter. I do not believe Zahra ever was seen by a doctor other than having a hearing test and possible school shots while in the US, never mind an oncologist. If she had been treated or even followed by an oncologist here, it would not have been necessary to obtain her records from AU. In my opinion, a father who withholds medical care for a very sick child shows no love or caring for his child and by doing this might as well have killed her as if using his own hands. Dismembering this same child would be easy for him to do. I believe he is the most evil of fathers.

 

[Lanie]

carried from another thread as this one is more on topic

Snipped from CPP post



I cannot gauge whether Z experienced sexual abuse or not but as a survivor of such, I usually have a pretty good sense (radar) for those who are "off" in that way. I get no such red flag feeling for AB.

I am not confident enough in a tingle or a concern to suggest such a thing at this point about anyone.

I really hate to go the 'sexual abuse' route, but if it really happened, thinking it happened is not going to make it any worse.

IMO, LE going after the mattress is a strong indicator there is something there, and I don't believe it is because Zahra's body was dismembered there.

IMO, by the mattress being disposed of, that would imply if there was sexual abuse by someone else, at least one of them, AB and/or EB, not only knew about it, but are covering it up. I don't know a reason why they would do that.

That leads me back to thinking, 'what if?' Zahra, having gone through bone cancer, could possibly have brittle bones (I know nothing about bone cancer) and could have been injured and later died from being sexually assaulted.

I know this case makes me sick, and I'm afraid if charges are ever filed and it ever goes to trial, there is going to be a lot worse than dismemberment against this poor child. I just see no way AB was not involved, no way at all.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I really hate to go the 'sexual abuse' route, but if it really happened, thinking it happened is not going to make it any worse.

IMO, LE going after the mattress is a strong indicator there is something there, and I don't believe it is because Zahra's body was dismembered there.

IMO, by the mattress being disposed of, that would imply if there was sexual abuse by someone else, at least one of them, AB and/or EB, not only knew about it, but are covering it up. I don't know a reason why they would do that.

That leads me back to thinking, 'what if?' Zahra, having gone through bone cancer, could possibly have brittle bones (I know nothing about bone cancer) and could have been injured and later died from being sexually assaulted.

I know this case makes me sick, and I'm afraid if charges are ever filed and it ever goes to trial, there is going to be a lot worse than dismemberment against this poor child. I just see no way AB was not involved, no way at all.

I don't rule out the possibility of sexual abuse, I've had some suspicions. Having said that, it IS possible that the mattress was disposed of because it contained blood evidence. If Zahra died from physical abuse, I find it likely the abuse occured in her bedroom (per what BB has said).

At any rate, I am convinced that the mattress was disposed of because it had some kind of body fluids on it, be it blood, semen, decomp fluids, what have you.

JMO

 

[april_showers]

Here is an article that tells a little bit about AB and Z. I don't know if any of you have read it or not. I know not much has been said about their life in Oz.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/10/...miles-survival-family-friends/comment-page-4/

Hadn't seen this one before - thanks for this.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

FYI: Post from Daisy...

So far, there is no reason I've seen to suspect sexual abuse. So, no on discussing this topic, unless it is reported in MSM.