Accident or Intentional; Evidence and Debate

[notthatsmart]

Wow, what a frightening story. It shook you to the core! I think most of us have had an episode in our lives that make us tear up and think, "omg...what if!" Thanks for sharing.

I agree that Caylee's death was probably an accident.

I don't agree that Caylee was always put first by Casey. But I don't agree with others that she was despised by her mother, either. I don't think Casey cleared all of the stages of maturity. I am not a pyschologist, but I do know that having a child changes the priorities of the majority of mothers. Sometimes it can be a tough change (and hormones don't always help), but it happens nonetheless, and it's always for the better. Casey had never been on her own, never held a job, and never had to be responsible for anything. You can't expect a child (and let's face it, Casey never matured beyond the mental age of a teenager) to become responsible for another human being without learning to be responsible for yourself first. This arrangement was set up for failure.

The flurry of phone calls does concern me as well. I know many point to past flurries and blow it off. But I'm still open to consider this significant.

I, too, see the majority of friends statements saying how "overprotective" Casey was and how loving she was with Caylee. Twos can be a rough age for some moms (although it was one of my favorite times!)....I would think there'd be many more friends/bfs saying she was "short with Caylee, or ignored her, or swatted her behind", etc.

A lot of daughter/mother relationships are strained, and CA and Casey had one of the worst arrangements I can think of. Casey was struggling with independence and trying to fit into a mold she was grossly ill-equipped to fill; and CA was trying to parent a kid she should have dealt with 10 years ago. It's very sad. But I'm not convinced that she snapped and killed her kid because she was mad at Cindy.

I do think, though, that if it was an accident, and she did discover Caylee was cold, she could very well have *snapped* at that point. She's been very limited in emotion....she's a very damaged person.

I don't read as much into the defense not pursuing the accident angle. No one has persuaded Casey into cutting a deal or have successfully talked her into taking this path. Doesn't mean they haven't tried, who knows. An accident angle is something the defendant would have to agree on. So the fact that they're not pursuing it, to me, doesn't mean that that's not what happened. JMO

Thank you for this post. I wish I had your writing skills. I do not agree with everything you say, but a lot of it I do. It is good for me to hear that Kc is not as bad as so many people say she is. Thought it was just me that thought that. Now if it is proven that she is guilty of premeditated murder in the first degree, then I will agree with LWOP.

 

[Jolynna]

Brent Huck's victim was found with duct tape over her mouth and nose also. She was found in water so the cause of death was undetermined, she could have drowned, she could have been suffocated from the duct tape. The means of death was determined to be homicide. Brent Huck was convicted and he appealed.

A hypothesis suggested by Huck's attorney was that Huck's victim could have died from natural causes and that Huck could have panicked and staged a kidnapping scenario which involved taping over the victim's face.

No so said the Florida Supreme Court in their response to Huck's appeal. The Florida Supreme Court said:

More importantly, the assertion that Mr.Huck taped the victim's eyes and mouth shut after she died is not particularly reasonable. The only logical reason to tape her eyes and mouth shut would have been to prevent her from seeing, talking,screaming for help, or breathing while she was alive. There is no logical or reasonable purpose for taping a person's eyes and mouth shut after she is dead.

http://www.denverda.org/DNA_Documents/Huck.pdf page 13

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Duct tape = deleberate murder.

imo

 

[RainyGirl]

But which one????

ZFG #1 = Sawgrass fame??
Zanny #2 = JBP fame??
Zany #3 = Letter "Real Zany" fame?? You know the one she forgives and KC claims had nothing to do with the death of her child. Funny because she admits not having contact with Zany since the last time she saw her but KNOWS Zany did not kill her child.....so who would that leave.....I believe that would be Ms. Rock * Star Celeb herself. JMO

Simply and perfectly stated! The sheer AUDACITY involved in Casey's refusal to accept any degree of personal responsibility with regard to Caylee is what has made her "#1" on the "Most Notorious" list. (Psst.....Casey....that's not a compliment, btw!). Her family, the defense, and the handful of anti-LE skeptics who have drawn their line in the sand and who continue to champion her baffle me.............but I support their right to raise reasonable doubt and raise questions about the case. In other words, I may be frustrated, but I do appreciate hearing from all perspectives. Accident? No. SODDI? Nope. Mysteries to unravel? YES---many.

JMO.
Peace be with all of you here.

 

[AZlawyer]

While I respect your opinion I feel quite differently about the whole situation. Testimony from LP, TMc and others within the household at the time heard directly from KC herself about JBP. We found later that GA admits this had been talked about around their table as a possible scenario and when KC was released and disappeared into the bathroom with Cindy, KC finishing her shower and enters the livingroom and suddenly has a new ZFG story.

Keeping their strategy secret will be hard to do when the client writes letters from jail. Plus keeping secrets can be that there is no strategy yet that holds water or why would they be so stressed out because they can't get all TES's records if they already know the perp. Defense can only offer what KC has given them and so far it's just Nanny, Zanni, Zani, Zany. Whichever one they want to choose. The only perp KC has so far admitted with three different scenarios is Zanny. She has no proof without a statement from Zanny what happened to her child. She has not revealed anything that has the slightest bit of reality to it. All fairyland. Problem is when you tell the media that a person whose child is MISSING that they can't devulge any information because that information could damage your client's chances for a fair trial.........WHOA.

The jury will be people just like the many people who make up Websleuths. "You can't fool all the people all the time." This quote was good when it was first stated and it still stands today. JMO

Lee also said that KC gave him the whole "Zanny knocked me down at JB Park" story while out on bond, including physically "acting out" how Zanny pushed her.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Sometimes in my heart I says to myself if I want to not think that Caylee isn’t alive but I just wondered if she hated her mom more than she loved Caylee…

Snipped by me....Shirley says she wonders...not that she believes.

I also wanted to make a note that I personally found the questions to her quite leading.

No one was leading. She was very anxious and forthcoming about the family dynamics and her suspicions of KC.
You should go back and read some of the emails between SP and Rick, Cindy's brother. They are the people that knew her best.
Here is an example:-
13 August, 2008 From Rick to Shirley
Mom, I wanted you to see what I said to Cindy. How can they possible (sic) believe a lying snot that has never told the truth? How can they not see that all of KC's actions are not of someone that cares that Caylee is missing?
Not reporting it right away,out partying every Friday at the club,all of her new friends saying that she never mentioned anything wrong with Caylee and abandoning the car a few blocks from home and not getting it or worrying about it. It still was worth three or four thousand dollars.
These are things that a person whose child was missing would not do.
SHE"S GUILTY AS HELL, MOM.
CA and GA have got to be the stupidest people on earth. Even the psychic says that Caylee is dead. There is not one thing we can do. People are fed up with them and some even want to hurt them for being so stupid. I always thought GA was an a**hole and I thought CA was stupid for staying with him. I guess they deserve each other. They need to blame themselves for enabling KC to steal and lie and get away with it.
They created her and bought into all her lies and excuses for way too long.
They both need to get counseling before they go off the deep end, but I think they've already lost their minds..
Give Dad a hug from us
Love Rick.

Her own family knew right from the start.

 

[wyome]

Disagree. Shirley Plesea, CA's mother stated that she thought KC hated CA more than she loved Caylee. Shirley is not in the position of trying to analyze her behavior from a website, or from information in the media. She knew them both intimately.

KC's own words - she told LA that CA had accused her many times of being an unfit mother. Who would be a better observer of her behavior than her own mother- not necessarily her peers, when she was on her best behavior.

Flurry of calls? Her mother wasn't answering her and who can blame her?

I feel very bad for Shirley. I'm sure she did feel that Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee. Casey did not mature past the mentallity of a teenager. She really did have a *natural* love/hate relationship with her mom....most teenagers have this struggle. Most teenagers don't like to be told "no", and Casey was no exception. Casey was still stuck in the "it's all about me" stage.

Why Cindy & George didn't set up boundaries from day one, I'll never know. Casey, you're pregnant with no education and no place to live. You are welcome in our home, but first thing tomorrow you're applying for your GED. Six months after the baby's born, we'll get you enrolled in a community college.....etc. Within a year, we'll expect you to work parttime and start contributing to the household. There was no plan in this house. Money just started to go missing, and car payments just stopped getting paid, and everyone just swept it under the rug. UGH!

I'm sure Casey did hate her mother. I think Casey hated herself, too....deep down. She knew she was a theif and a liar. She keeps her head up, but deep down I think she knew she was a loser and it ate away at her. Like I said, I don't think she despised her daughter, but I don't believe she was capable of bonding with her the way more well-adjusted mothers bond.

 

[notthatsmart]

While I respect your opinion I feel quite differently about the whole situation. Testimony from LP, TMc and others within the household at the time heard directly from KC herself about JBP. We found later that GA admits this had been talked about around their table as a possible scenario and when KC was released and disappeared into the bathroom with Cindy, KC finishing her shower and enters the livingroom and suddenly has a new ZFG story.

Keeping their strategy secret will be hard to do when the client writes letters from jail. Plus keeping secrets can be that there is no strategy yet that holds water or why would they be so stressed out because they can't get all TES's records if they already know the perp. Defense can only offer what KC has given them and so far it's just Nanny, Zanni, Zani, Zany. Whichever one they want to choose. The only perp KC has so far admitted with three different scenarios is Zanny. She has no proof without a statement from Zanny what happened to her child. She has not revealed anything that has the slightest bit of reality to it. All fairyland. Problem is when you tell the media that a person whose child is MISSING that they can't devulge any information because that information could damage your client's chances for a fair trial.........WHOA.

The jury will be people just like the many people who make up Websleuths. "You can't fool all the people all the time." This quote was good when it was first stated and it still stands today. JMO

I was refferring to what Kc told police and not what Lp says that TMc says
that someone else says that she said. Oh yeah, Ga was in their too.
People should stop putting words in Kc mouth, because it wont fly at trial.

From the letters it sounds like Kc does not believe Zanny is the perp. She has never said so either. She has only said that she dropped off Caylee at the steps at Sawgrass apts.

The Jury will be made up of people just like Ws I disagree somewhat.
I doubt the general public is on the same level as ws 'r doubt a Ws'r would even qualify to be on the jury. Furthermore, in the gulty not guilty thread, the not guilty made up for 11 percent. That is a hung Jury IMO

 

[nort]

No one was leading. She was very anxious and forthcoming about the family dynamics and her suspicions of KC.
You should go back and read some of the emails between SP and Rick, Cindy's brother. They are the people that knew her best.
Here is an example:-
13 August, 2008 From Rick to Shirley
Mom, I wanted you to see what I said to Cindy. How can they possible (sic) believe a lying snot that has never told the truth? How can they not see that all of KC's actions are not of someone that cares that Caylee is missing?
Not reporting it right away,out partying every Friday at the club,all of her new friends saying that she never mentioned anything wrong with Caylee and abandoning the car a few blocks from home and not getting it or worrying about it. It still was worth three or four thousand dollars.
These are things that a person whose child was missing would not do.
SHE"S GUILTY AS HELL, MOM.
CA and GA have got to be the stupidest people on earth. Even the psychic says that Caylee is dead. There is not one thing we can do. People are fed up with them and some even want to hurt them for being so stupid. I always thought GA was an a**hole and I thought CA was stupid for staying with him. I guess they deserve each other. They need to blame themselves for enabling KC to steal and lie and get away with it.
They created her and bought into all her lies and excuses for way too long.
They both need to get counseling before they go off the deep end, but I think they've already lost their minds..
Give Dad a hug from us
Love Rick.

Her own family knew right from the start.

Yes that Rick was really a thorn in thier sides. I liked his conclusions on how things have led to this..

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes that Rick was really a thorn in thier sides. I liked his conclusions on how things have led to this..

Yes, he is a beacon of common sense in that family. He does not mince words at all, just tells the truth, the plain truth.

 

[RainyGirl]

I believe it was an accident. I also believe that Casey freaked out after. I am not an expert in mental health, but I honestly believe after Caylee died she "snapped".

When I look at the pictures of Caylee with her Mother (and the rest of the family) I see love. I see nothing but love. I see Caylee loves her Mother. She doesnt seem to fear her in videos or pictures.

When I read the statements of people who KNOW them, they all say that Casey was a good and loving Mother.

I look at the statements of her friends that suggest at a certain point in time something started being NOT "right" with her. That she would deny things had happened when they had.These people KNOW Casey better then any one looking in from the outside.

When I look at where the cadaver digs hitting on scent in the backyard, it tells me Caylee was dead inside the back yard beside the pool and in the playhouse.

When I add in the FLURRY of calls to her Mother etc it tells me she was FREAKING out. If planned she would have had no reason to freak.

When I read Caysees own writings (texts,emails,chats), I see that her daughter came first. I am sure this was hard at times being so young, but I dont think she wanted a "new life", as much as some here seem to suggest/think.

Personal Story

When I was 16/17 I used to babsit for my Mother. My youngest sibling was a newborn. The next in line was a toddler. At lunch one day I set the bassinet with baby on the table to feed her. The toddler went running for the other room. I followed in hot pursuit, more worried about the one with moving legs then the one who couldnt move. As I picked the toddler up, I heard a big THUD from the dining room. Although I knew the baby wasnt even sitting up yet, I knew that noise was indicative of a MAJOR problem. As I came running back into the kitchen with toddler on my hip, I saw the baby on the floor. I ran so fast to pick her up, the look on her face was horrifying!!! She was SCREAMING but no noise was coming out! I picked her up and held her close. I was so panicked it still brings me to tears, and I feel bad even sharing this as it is an admittance of neglect on my own part.

Anyway, I held her so tight I think it caused the scream to come out of her. I stayed with her that entire afternoon so fearful that she wouldnt be ok, after all I was old enough to know about concussions and not allowing sleep. Long story short she WAS and IS ok(14 now and knows the story well...I cry everytime it comes up), but I NEVER told my Mother. Not for a year or more. The way she was lying on that floor she would have had to do a complete flip out of that car seat. She could have very well died form a concussion or cracked skull right then and there, but for some reason God held her and me that day and I have never EVER left a child that young unattended again regardless of it being 30 seconds or less.

I am only relaying this story to point out that I do understand the panic that sets in and the fear of what my Mother was going to say and/or do to me. If she had died, yes I would have called 911(I am pretty sure), but my mental state at that time was horrible. I never felt so horrible in my life! I feared what my Mother (and everyone else) was going to think of me. As an adult now, I am sure I would react differently in the same situation. It doesnt change my reaction in my late teens to "hide" it

Must be why she is still the sister I coddle to ...I will feel guilty FOREVER!

Sorry for the O/T....just trying to explain my own rationale for panic setting in and the need to "hide" her neglect (albeit oin a much grander scale then my own).

Thank you for sharing your story. It sounds like you had very grown-up responsibilities heaped on you at such a young age.....bless you for your bravery and the obvious love you share with your sister. YOU are her angel and YES---I do feel that God works in mysterious ways. Your story brought tears to my eyes too!! XOXO

 

[notthatsmart]

Brent Huck's victim was found with duct tape over her mouth and nose also. She was found in water so the cause of death was undetermined, she could have drowned, she could have been suffocated from the duct tape. The means of death was determined to be homicide. Brent Huck was convicted and he appealed.

A hypothesis suggested by Huck's attorney was that Huck's victim could have died from natural causes and that Huck could have panicked and staged a kidnapping scenario which involved taping over the victim's face.

No so said the Florida Supreme Court in their response to Huck's appeal. The Florida Supreme Court said:

More importantly, the assertion that Mr.Huck taped the victim's eyes and mouth shut after she died is not particularly reasonable. The only logical reason to tape her eyes and mouth shut would have been to prevent her from seeing, talking,screaming for help, or breathing while she was alive. There is no logical or reasonable purpose for taping a person's eyes and mouth shut after she is dead.

http://www.denverda.org/DNA_Documents/Huck.pdf page 13

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Duct tape = deleberate murder. End of story.

imo

Well that means the Supreme Court won't buy it, but that does not mean the jury won't buy it. And what if it were true? I mean what if that really happened? What if panic set in? Not for Kc, but for anyone? Why can we not be allowed to be human and make mistakes without being charged with premedidated murder? What cant we just be charged with stupidity or bad reaction, or neglegence.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Okay, I just want to reitterate that when I saw heard Jb that day after court talking to reporters, and answered a question to Kb about the woods. He said, Kc was not in those woods, your in lala land. That sealed it for me, even the defense does not believe it was an accident. I can not imagine an accident with cover up and someone else helping.

JMO It was not an accident that was caused by Kc Neglect. That does not mean it was not an accident caused by Zanny or someone else. IMO

The defense has lied about so many things I can't be convinced of anything they say.

 

[LambChop]

What are you talking about? buying what? If you are talking about soddi, then what is it that your not buying? The defense is going with the soddi theory IMO, is that not your opinion? Elaborate for me

But I thought the defense strategy was a secret. I think everyone one here who believes that defense will use soddi or not has an opinion and it is just an opinion. When you ask "what are you talking about" it sounds as if you know for sure that defense will use this strategy. So do you know something we don't know? Did you find something in the letters that KC wrote that would lead you to believe this is the strategy defense will use or is it just your personal opinion? Just curious. JMO from what was posted. Thanks

 

[ZsaZsa]

I feel very bad for Shirley. I'm sure she did feel that Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee. Casey did not mature past the mentallity of a teenager. She really did have a *natural* love/hate relationship with her mom....most teenagers have this struggle. Most teenagers don't like to be told "no", and Casey was no exception. Casey was still stuck in the "it's all about me" stage.

Why Cindy & George didn't set up boundaries from day one, I'll never know. Casey, you're pregnant with no education and no place to live. You are welcome in our home, but first thing tomorrow you're applying for your GED. Six months after the baby's born, we'll get you enrolled in a community college.....etc. Within a year, we'll expect you to work parttime and start contributing to the household. There was no plan in this house. Money just started to go missing, and car payments just stopped getting paid, and everyone just swept it under the rug. UGH!

I'm sure Casey did hate her mother. I think Casey hated herself, too....deep down. She knew she was a theif and a liar. She keeps her head up, but deep down I think she knew she was a loser and it ate away at her. Like I said, I don't think she despised her daughter, but I don't believe she was capable of bonding with her the way more well-adjusted mothers bond.

I would not describe their relationship as a natural love/hate one in any way.
No one in my experience calls their daughter an unfit mother several times, without sound reasons. Those are very serious accusations. No one speaks to their mother with the contempt that KC does unless it is deeply felt. This whole case from the beginning has been about KC's loathing and contempt for CA with Caylee being the unfortunate fulcrum between them.
Listen to KC's jail comments when CA and GA arrive - she says in the most contemptuous way possible- "Oh, what's she crying about now" if that doesn't adequately describe how much she despises her mother I don't know what could.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

*snipped by me*

I just wanted to point out that Casey's own grandmother stated she felt Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee (paraphrased). Making a reference that she believed Casey would do something to harm Caylee to get back at her own mother.

Very true and really, none of casey's friends at that time knew her at all or knew how deceptive she was and admitted as much in police interviews. The only other people saying she was a great mom have zero credibility - GA, CA, Baez, and Casey herself. She really didn't even have friends per se, just people she hung out with and slept with.

 

[notthatsmart]

Lee also said that KC gave him the whole "Zanny knocked me down at JB Park" story while out on bond, including physically "acting out" how Zanny pushed her.

Yeah............. and where is he? lol

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Well that means the Supreme Court won't buy it, but that does not mean the jury won't buy it. And what if it were true? I mean what if that really happened? What if panic set in? Not for Kc, but for anyone? Why can we not be allowed to be human and make mistakes without being charged with premedidated murder? What cant we just be charged with stupidity or bad reaction, or neglegence.

She HAD a chance to come clean. She put herself where she is by lying about a nanny/abduction/dropping Caylee off at a vacant apartment, and so on. Anything she gets from now on is well deserved, considering the thousands of people who wasted time searching for Caylee when they could have been looking for other missing children whose parents really did not know where they were. Sad

 

[LambChop]

Well that means the Supreme Court won't buy it, but that does not mean the jury won't buy it. And what if it were true? I mean what if that really happened? What if panic set in? Not for Kc, but for anyone? Why can we not be allowed to be human and make mistakes without being charged with premedidated murder? What cant we just be charged with stupidity or bad reaction, or neglegence.

Probably because society has a dim view of putting duct tape on a child that covers her whole face even if there is only a remote possibity that it was the cause of death. Mother and child....is there any closer bond. To cover your child's whole face is not stupid, or a bad reaction, or even negligence....it is a deliberate attempt to eradicate that child from your life. The child's identity is in her face. It's what a mother kisses, wipes tears from, holds while the child sleeps and it's a place for Mom to put her face while she gives the child a hug. So eradicate is one reason and the other would be to try and make someone else responsible for her child's death. WILL NOT PRESENT WELL IN COURT. This avenue is a dead end. Try another avenue, this one's closed for construction due to irrepairable conditions. JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

Well that means the Supreme Court won't buy it, but that does not mean the jury won't buy it. And what if it were true? I mean what if that really happened? What if panic set in? Not for Kc, but for anyone? Why can we not be allowed to be human and make mistakes without being charged with premedidated murder? What cant we just be charged with stupidity or bad reaction, or neglegence.

Think Duct tape.

 

[Aedrys]

I believe wholeheartedly that it was intentional. She was thinking about doing away with Caylee long before it happened. The fight just pushed that date up for Casey. In her letters, she mentions her plans getting tangled up. I think she meant her plans for killing Caylee. Because she can't control her temper, and because of the fight the night of the 15th, Caylee was murdered sooner than expected.

I do think she intended for Caylee's death to be an accident, thus the moving of the pool ladder. However, she murdered Caylee before she her accident scenario was to play out. Then she panicked because Caylee wasn't supposed to die the way she did, and Casey knew she couldn't play it off as an accident because of the duct tape, which I believe was the murder weapon. Caylee was probably screaming for Cindy over and over and Casey snapped, not able to take it anymore.

It's easy to make it look like you love someone, especially when you have someone else taking care of that child. Casey should have shouldered raising Caylee herself from the start, but in the interest of family image, Cindy took over and then didn't/couldn't let Caylee go. You can see in most pictures how Casey vies for just as much of attention as Caylee instead of letting her child BE the center of attention, which is what normal loving parents do. It's difficult to accept, but the rose colored glasses need to come off. Some parents do not love their own children, and even murder those children that they do not love. Just because you can get pregnant and give birth does not mean you know how to be or want to be a mother. Casey just doesn't have it in her to be a good mother or sacrifice herself for her child. She chose to sacrifice her child for herself instead.

I wish I had a link to that 2007 Christmas picture of Santa Claus in the middle with Casey alone on the left, and Caylee in Cindy's lap on the right. I thought it was vey telling. Why would Caylee not be on Casey's lap or Santa's lap in that picture? It tells me Cindy definitely saw herself as Caylee's mother and Casey was more of a sister than mother figure to Caylee.

Casey is also remorseless and delusional. She's never admitted to having ANYTHING to do with what happened to Caylee and just wants to move on with her life. And oh, at the last gasp, we should feel sorry for Casey because she was supposedly abused, not sorry for Caylee because she was murdered. We should excuse Casey for sacrificing Caylee because of what might or might not have happened to Casey. Caylee basically had to go because of Casey because Casey might have been abused. Once again, it's poor me, all about me with Casey. Abuse does not and never will make Caylee's murder acceptable, and it's disgusting the Casey would throw out abuse allegations to get more sympathy for HERSELF. This case has always and continues to be about Casey, never once has Casey even tried to make it about Caylee!

Casey has also never helped the police once and this whole case has been one big game to her. She's hating her parents because they didn't clean up the mess and make it go away. She's enjoying life in jail for Chrissakes, and her attorneys are her "boys" that will gt her out of this. She's more worried about her next meal or what she's going to do when she gets out than what she has done. That also tells me this was not an accident. It's just a mere inconvenience for Casey. How can a CHILD EVER BE just an INCONVENIENCE to a parent that really loves them?

I don't even have to go into the evidence, which all points at her and no one else. It also screams premeditation and intentional.

I will say it again, DUCT TAPE IS NEVER ACCIDENTAL! Not used a weapon, not in covering up something - and I have never heard of someone covering up an accident with duct tape over he mouth of the accident victim. Why? Because no one the planet accepts duct tape as an exuse for covering up an accident. It just doesn't happen and it only makes a person look even more guilty. And there are other ways people attemp to cover up an accident that does not involve duct tape. Why would anyone with a normal brain even think about using duct tape to cover up an accident?

I am sorry this was so long, but I had to get this out. I am so sick and tired of those who can not or will not see this case for what it simply is: a spoiled, selfish, remorseless princess didn't ever love her child and got rid of her child because she couldn't handle not being the center of attention in her family. There is no vast conspiracy against a lying, stealing, nobody that had no ambition in life and was never going to be a productive member of society. I know we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I respect that. But all common sense and logic here screams premeditation and an intentional murder, not an accident, IMO.

I have no sympathy for Casey or her family. Those who still can, well, I guess you're bigger people than I am. And those who think someone else did this, I just don't get how you look at the same evidence as I am and come to such a totally different conclusion.