Accident or Intentional; Evidence and Debate

[RainyGirl]

:laugh: "defense is undercooked" :thumb:

.....and "half-baked"!

 

[Pondering Mind]

By the way, I passed a thousand post and not one person congratulated me. Now whats that all about? lol

dang notthatsmart, I was downstairs at your 1000th post celebration! We wondered where you were! We drank all the champagne, but we did toast to you!

 

[logicalgirl]

dang notthatsmart, I was downstairs at your 1000th post celebration! We wondered where you were! We drank all the champagne, but we did toast to you!

If I'd known it is such a celebration I'd be posting a WHOLE lot more!
:waitasec:

 

[okiedokietoo]

Hello?
hello...?
I was just checking the daily updates thread today...You all have been having a party over here all night and I wasn't invited.......:silenced:

 

[cecybeans]

By the way, I passed a thousand post and not one person congratulated me. Now whats that all about? lol

When you pass the 1000 post you are automatically enrolled in a 12-step program and asked to pick a sponsor, lol. Welcome to the club!

 

[LambChop]

What did they lie about? Be specific please? thanks

Okay, I slept on this one so I think I am ready to answer. In the beginning when it was sooooooo important that KC's missing child be reported KC did not call LE and it is documented exactly what she was doing instead of looking. Now CA reports to LE and when LE questions KC she lies about everything, including the whereabouts of her child. We now know there is no nanny, no Jeff, nor the other cast of characters, no obvious paper trail that KC assured us was there....nada, nope, no way. In comes JB and her story ends there because the defense takes over.

Then we get the RK is a suspect because since he found the body he had as much an opportunity to place the body there as did KC. We all know that is a lie which stands out like a sore thumb. RK never had custody of Caylee. KC never in all her writings to her "pen pal" ever discussed RK only that she forgave the "real nanny". The whole SODDI defense is a lie and KC just confirmed it through her letters. Claiming that searchers claim the body was not there when searchers reported that they did not see a body are not the same thing. It's distortion of the facts when we already know what the facts are. When you lie you are covering up the truth. Why would defense go to all this trouble if it were an accident? JMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Okay, I slept on this one so I think I am ready to answer. In the beginning when it was sooooooo important that KC's missing child be reported KC did not call LE and it is documented exactly what she was doing instead of looking. Now CA reports to LE and when LE questions KC she lies about everything, including the whereabouts of her child. We now know there is no nanny, no Jeff, nor the other cast of characters, no obvious paper trail that KC assured us was there....nada, nope, no way. In comes JB and her story ends there because the defense takes over.

Then we get the RK is a suspect because since he found the body he had as much an opportunity to place the body there as did KC. We all know that is a lie which stands out like a sore thumb. RK never had custody of Caylee. KC never in all her writings to her "pen pal" ever discussed RK only that she forgave the "real nanny". The whole SODDI defense is a lie and KC just confirmed it through her letters. Claiming that searchers claim the body was not there when searchers reported that they did not see a body are not the same thing. It's distortion of the facts when we already know what the facts are. When you lie you are covering up the truth. Why would defense go to all this trouble if it were an accident? JMO

I think this is in response to my post. And again, I think there is confusion. I will not ask any questions. What I was looking for was a lie from JB. I wanted to put it in my notes that JB lied, but wanted some confirmation first. I already have it in my notes that Kc told some lies. Perhaps JB did lie, I am not sure. I thought he said that he did not sell any story, which was true. I was not aware that he said he did not sell any pictures. There is a huge difference when it comes to checkbook journalism. So if he did say that he did not sell any pictures somewhere in some interview, then I would like to see that and take note. The rest of your post is probably for other threads, but for the most part I respectfully disagree when You say we all. IMO

 

[Swancat63]

Lambchop, wasn't there also a "difference of dates" of the employment of Dominic Casey for the defense? And didn't the defense say TES had denied them access to records?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think this is in response to my post. And again, I think there is confusion. I will not ask any questions. What I was looking for was a lie from JB. I wanted to put it in my notes that JB lied, but wanted some confirmation first. I already have it in my notes that Kc told some lies. Perhaps JB did lie, I am not sure. I thought he said that he did not sell any story, which was true. I was not aware that he said he did not sell any pictures. There is a huge difference when it comes to checkbook journalism. So if he did say that he did not sell any pictures somewhere in some interview, then I would like to see that and take note. The rest of your post is probably for other threads, but for the most part I respectfully disagree when You say we all. IMO

You're mincing words here. I provided you with several lies from the defense (macaluso included) and you chose to focus on pictures instead of videos - look - Baez told the judge they didn't have any deals with media and they clearly did. Simply because he couched his response in a vague way that technically may have been true does not make it honest. Plus, he lied about casey stating she would hold her head high vs 'get me the 'f' out of here statement she told Tracy. What's the point of asking for info if you've already reached a conclusion by stretching things to the point where nothing is a lie or if it is a lie, it doesn't matter? Seems like a waste of time.

 

[Swancat63]

Are we still talking about accident or intentional?

 

[LambChop]

And since this question was asked and it is important as to "intentional" apparently the biggest lie of all is that JB did not broker any deals for KC which ABC released a statement saying that they did work with JB and he did broker the deal for KC. JB was in NYC prior to KC being released on bail. Upon release on bond KC did bring pictures of Caylee to JB's office which is admitted by CA in her deposition. If you keep up with threads it is all there. Mistruths, misleading statements, untruths are still the same old thing. No such thing as a half-truth. It is either what it is or it's a lie.

I have also not seen any evidence to point to RK as a suspect as the defense stated in their motion. Their "biggest resource" is KC. JB said it, LE said it, KC said it. But all KC does is lie, one big whopper right after another without so much as flinching. No credibility whatsoever. When your life is on the line you don't play games unless you have intentionally committed the crime. Funny how KC considers herself and her new BFF in prison as "Partners in legal crime". Putting "legal" in front of the word crime does not make it an accident.

Also it appears that their defense is still "someone placed the body while KC was in jail" so that totally rules out an accident defense. Do you blame TES for fighting so hard to keep people from being dragged into this crime when they were never on Suburban Drive? I'd be worried if I DID search Suburban that they would try to pin it on me. KC's motive from the very beginning was to blame someone else for her crime. It's documented right there in her verbal and written statements. Just as if she were a 4 year old child, "Nope, Mom I did not eat that chocolate cake, it was Zani, yep Zani ate the whole thing", as she sits there with gobs of chocolate frosting covering her mouth. Not all of us on here but 99% of us can clearly see it. When you lie and get caught you are getting justice on YOUR terms. It's just not wrapped up in a pretty package because it's based on reality not an illusion. JMO

 

[LambChop]

Are we still talking about accident or intentional?

Yep. The lies and mistruths point to a motive to murder. If you are innocent of intentionally killing your child....why the lies.

 

[Jolynna]

Are we still talking about accident or intentional?

Duct tape over the nose and mouth = intentional murder

Blockbuster Video with Tony = visible proof Casey wasn't the least bit rattled on the same day Caylee was murdered/kidnapped/had a fatal accident.

Lie = covering up the truth

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop, wasn't there also a "difference of dates" of the employment of Dominic Casey for the defense? And didn't the defense say TES had denied them access to records?

Absolutely.

 

[notthatsmart]

You're mincing words here. I provided you with several lies from the defense (macaluso included) and you chose to focus on pictures instead of videos - look - Baez told the judge they didn't have any deals with media and they clearly did. Simply because he couched his response in a vague way that technically may have been true does not make it honest. Plus, he lied about casey stating she would hold her head high vs 'get me the 'f' out of here statement she told Tracy. What's the point of asking for info if you've already reached a conclusion by stretching things to the point where nothing is a lie or if it is a lie, it doesn't matter? Seems like a waste of time.

Okay, I will take note that some believe Macaluso lied when he stated they had evidence that the body was put in there after Kc was in jail.

I will take note that I feel satisfied with the defenses answer to that with showing searchers that searched that area and did not see Caylee. Some see it as a lie, I do not.

I will take note that some believe that Jb told the Judge that they did not have any deals with the media.

I will take note that I have no idea what Jb told the Judge because it was in camera and the Judge said he was completely satisfied with Jb's answer.

I will take note that some believe Jb said he had no deals with the media.

I personally have not heard him say that in that context. So, I will go look for it. If I find it, I will take note.

The last statement with Tracey, I have already taken note. I find her unbelievable right along with LP. She is part of that outfit and they have been wrong on several occasions. However, If the state wishes to put her on the witness list, I am eager to see the cross. For now I can not trust her word after listening to her tapes and hearing her enthusiasm.

I have not stretched anything. I am trying to get to the truth of the matter. It should be simple and I agree with you that it is a waste of time to argue about it or accuse others. If you do not wish to help me get to the truth of the matter, then please just scroll by my post or simply hit ignore.

I am not mixing pictures up with videos. I believe I heard Jb state that there was no story sold. He did not say anything about pictures that I am aware of. I feel so far, it has not been established that Jb actually lied. I will keep looking just to confirm that, but I will not bother you with any questions. Thanks

 

[ohiogirl]

Don't go away, Nts, We need differing viewpoints to make a discussion.

 

[LambChop]

Don't go away, Nts, We need differing viewpoints to make a discussion.

There is an old saying, "Your either part of the solution, or part of the problem." I think we are ALL part of the solution we just come from different angles. LOL JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

When did they say that they did not sell any pics? seriously, I remember them saying they did not sell a story. Can we find a link so we can prove that Jb lied? Don't know about the I will hold my head high thing. Is that in one of the letters? or is that something this RA said? I believe that Macaluso did show proof. There are people now that searched that area and there was no body found. I am not sure who the Judge ordered it to? Were they to provide that proof to the Judge? or the SA? Also, the Judge took the tool they needed to prove it away from them. He has tied their hands. We as a people may never know the truth, because the Judge is keeping the truth at bay. IMO I think you have failed to show me a lie by JB. Nothing against, but I think this whole Kc lieing thing is infectious and majority people begin to think they have a liscense to call anyone a liar. sorry thats just my opinion.

He said he has no rights to her story. What is the difference between selling her story and selling videos and photos of her and Caylee? He is just playing with words in his usual shady way. He is still selling the victim's photos to pay for her murderer's defense.

 

[Swancat63]

Duct tape-intentional. Lies-intentional. Cover up-intentional. Blame on others without facts-intentional. No pictures ANYWHERE of Nanny-intentional. No one sees Nanny-intentional. No job-intentional. Etc. That's enough for me.

 

[Harmony 2]

Okay, I will take note that some believe Macaluso lied when he stated they had evidence that the body was put in there after Kc was in jail.

I will take note that I feel satisfied with the defenses answer to that with showing searchers that searched that area and did not see Caylee. Some see it as a lie, I do not.

I will take note that some believe that Jb told the Judge that they did not have any deals with the media.

I will take note that I have no idea what Jb told the Judge because it was in camera and the Judge said he was completely satisfied with Jb's answer.

I will take note that some believe Jb said he had no deals with the media.

I personally have not heard him say that in that context. So, I will go look for it. If I find it, I will take note.

The last statement with Tracey, I have already taken note. I find her unbelievable right along with LP. She is part of that outfit and they have been wrong on several occasions. However, If the state wishes to put her on the witness list, I am eager to see the cross. For now I can not trust her word after listening to her tapes and hearing her enthusiasm.

I have not stretched anything. I am trying to get to the truth of the matter. It should be simple and I agree with you that it is a waste of time to argue about it or accuse others. If you do not wish to help me get to the truth of the matter, then please just scroll by my post or simply hit ignore.

I am not mixing pictures up with videos. I believe I heard Jb state that there was no story sold. He did not say anything about pictures that I am aware of. I feel so far, it has not been established that Jb actually lied. I will keep looking just to confirm that, but I will not bother you with any questions. Thanks

You seem to be very meticulous about word selection. I see that Baez lied in the following or not totally forthcoming. Take note that he stated the deal was done with his client when it was done with him. Please provide a link for him saying it was only for the "story".

In court today, Baez revealed that “$200,000 came from a deal that was done by my client with the American Broadcasting Co. ABC.”
A prosecutor asked: “ABC News?”
Baez said: “Yes.”
That money has been paid, and there is no deal for future money from ABC, Baez said. Baez also dismissed as a rumor the report that he is getting $700,000 in the future.
I asked ABC News if the deal was done with Casey Anthony.
The deal was done with an attorney representing several owners of copyrighted content, ABC News spokeswoman Cathie Levine said. That attorney is Baez, she added.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...ampaign=Feed:+entertainment/tv/tvguy+(TV+Guy)