Accident or Intentional; Evidence and Debate

[ZsaZsa]

Although this is somewhat off topic, I feel the need to address it here since you brought it up. I personally feel that those in the public who wanted the pictures of Caylee and used them (and still use them) should be JUST as accountable in regards to the so called "blood money" for Caylees pictures. After all, if they werent wanted so badly by the public, there would be no reason for anyone to pay for them!!! The media caters to the public. If they didnt, they wouldnt be in business! JMO

Ask Beth Holloway, John Walsh,Josh Duckett, Mark Klaas if they ever considered selling photos of their children... They printed them off and distributed them to anyone who would take them. No media deals there, but those parents wanted desperately to find their children.
The Media can work wonders by publicizing these cases, and the public does clamor for more information BUT in the Anthony family case, their intent was never to help find the child, but to line their pockets. Their intent when interviewed was always to try and cover up the murder.

 

[marspiter]

In my opinion jealousy issues with your Mother, lying, stealing, immaturity, etc.. does NOT take away from Caseys LOVE for Caylee. Not one person has stated in any interviews that Casey EVER appeared to NOT love Caylee! I only made the comment about the pictures because so many here have said when THEY look at those pictures they DONT see love. I was trying to point out that "we see things as we are, not as they are". I personally see LOVE.

I think it's important to make distinctions as to WHEN people said what about KC.

Many of the derogatory remarks about her and her behavior were made before Caylee disappeared - when nobody had an ulterior motive or agenda.

Any remarks about what kind of mother KC was or was not AFTER she was arrested bear comparing to any remarks made BEFORE, when people were likely more truthful because her future as a convicted criminal was not at issue.

BBM I would accept it if the evidence led me in that direction. I also disagree with the assessment that Casey looked at Caylee as a sister etc.. If this were true she would have walked away and given Cindy custody IMO Her friends and own writings/texts/chats also dont flow with this theory. She very much so loved her daughter IMO.

As for the first quote I would like to point out the second quote by cecybeans. Further more I would also like to point out that Casey was manipulative and a social chameleon. I remember the incident that was mentioned long ago about her being at buffalo wild wings. She was one thing to one group of friends and another to a different group.

Her friends didn't know the real Casey......if so do you think Amy would have allowed Casey access to her car and check book? So to me Casey being a "good Mom" was a mask and nothing more. Look at the testimony that shows how Casey's family felt about Casey being a mom before anyone had an agenda. Look at Casey's actions during this entire case or the letters. If your child is missing (decomposing in a swamp while duct taped and tossed like trash) for a month you don't go clubbing and enter a hot body contest plain and simple. Not sure how it can be any clearer then that.


As to the final quote. I'm curious what evidence is there that points to an accident? I feel many posts detailing the evidence have clearly made a point for intentional and I would like to know what evidence specifically points to an accident and also explains the duct tape, the 31 days (Casey never actually did report Caylee missing.....Cindy did!), vehicle evidence, computer searches, Casey's sworn testimony, and all the other evidence in this case as one unified theory that can incorporate all the evidence.

It's easy to say well this one piece of evidence could point to an accident....when the other evidence is excluded. I feel an intentional killing of Caylee is the only thing that can explain every aspect of this case and all of the evidence. The question is can an accident theory do the same?

Also keeping in mind the defense hasn't even pursued an accident theory in this case.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I often feel this way (and have stated the same to others) about my own child who passed. My child died naturally...therefore "guilt" has nothing to do with it.

Hypocritical of KC to say it though, since she is the one who has deprived Caylee of her life.

 

[marspiter]

Ask Beth Holloway, John Walsh,Josh Duckett, Mark Klaas if they ever considered selling photos of their children... They printed them off and distributed them to anyone who would take them. No media deals there, but those parents wanted desperately to find their children.
The Media can work wonders by publicizing these cases, and the public does clamor for more information BUT in the Anthony family case, their intent was never to help find the child, but to line their pockets. Their intent when interviewed was always to try and cover up the murder.

I think even Susan Smith gave the media a photo of her kids with out payment but I might be mistaken.

 

[curiously looking]

Although this is somewhat off topic, I feel the need to address it here since you brought it up. I personally feel that those in the public who wanted the pictures of Caylee and used them (and still use them) should be JUST as accountable in regards to the so called "blood money" for Caylees pictures. After all, if they werent wanted so badly by the public, there would be no reason for anyone to pay for them!!! The media caters to the public. If they didnt, they wouldnt be in business! JMO

I disagree. The self serving behavior of others is not nearly as abhorant imo as that of family and/or their representatives in any tragedy. There have always been bottom feeders and there always will be, but when those who were closest to the victim also are involved, it reaches a different level of wrong imo. Nancy Grace makes money off this case because her viewers will tune in to see it and to say that that is somehow the same as Casey selling pictures of Caylee just doesn't fly imo.

 

[Astraea]

Protecting children is certainly not programmed into us. Human behavior is learned not instinctual all credible research shows this.

I am sorry, but as a university grad in sociology and political science, as well as a college law graduate, I took many MANY psych classes where nature vs nurture was debated heavily. I would like to know what research YOU have came across that states this as a FACT? I for one think we are animals, as such I, (as well as MANY who study this topic for a living) believe in NATURE and INSTINCT. I take issue with the comment ALL CREDIBLE research shows this.

I know it is slightly off topic, but not really I guess if we are debating Shirleys intention to protect her daughter from public scrutiny and harm! After all Shirley made these statements when the As were at risk of physical harm and negative opinion from the public. Makes sense why she would want the public to feel sorry for Cindy.

 

[nort]

That thing about the unfit mother..I think Cindy used that to get Casey to do what she wanted as something to hold over her head. She threatened to throw her out and take Caylee, seems that was more to do with controlling Casey's behavior with the boys and such than her mothering. The reason I say this is because the first documented time that they went to look for Casey was in early July, they sent Lee to look for her. Thats two to three weeks after Cindy had not seen Caylee. Pretty long for someone who is concerned about how her daughter will be toward her grandbaby. So her concern is questionable at that point. This is an opinion only as to what Cindy was thinking not what I'm thinking as to Caseys mothering skills

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Those photos of Caylee, Inmate Anthony "appears" to be a loving mother, she "appears" to love Caylee, that is, until the novelty wore off! JMHO

I believe her mother damaged Inmate Anthony by her not living up to CA's standards. How many times has Inmate Anthony been told, you aren't being a good mom. You always want me to babysit while you go out till all hours of the night? Inmate Anthony seemed to be in competition for her family's love, Caylee became their focus. She saw her mother acting more like the parent to her child and do believe Inmate Anthony became jealous of her own child.

By all observations of Inmate Anthony, show someone who has a "different" way of thinking. She has narcisistic tendencies as far as I can see for it was all about me, me, me in those jailhouse videos. She mentions Caylee in passing not the focus of her attention. She wanted out of jail, not to look for Caylee.

I think between her mom telling her what a bad, neglectful mom she is, TonyL not wanting Caylee around his apartment, as he said, he had an open door policy and didn't think a child should be around that. Coupled with his statement of wanting sons not daughters, it's my belief she saw Caylee as a hinderance in finding the man of her dreams. Then that blowout fight, that CA adamantaly claims didn't occur, was Inmate Anthony's final straw, which, IMO, was the catalyst for Caylee's demise.

I don't believe Inmate Anthony loves anyone but herself. She doesn't know how to love for all the right reasons. She just shacked up with TonyL, as he put it..she hangs on, she's needy, she's immature...her child was not her first priority. Most of my children's baby photos are of them, barely none with me, yet many photos have Inmate Anthony in them, as if to say, look at me! She needs to be the central focus and Caylee took that spot...JMHO!

Justice for Caylee!

 

[Pondering Mind]

If I'd known it is such a celebration I'd be posting a WHOLE lot more!
:waitasec:

You're close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades you know!

Sorry way OT!

 

[BondJamesBond]

"Accident or Intentional..."

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[Astraea]

The non-WS people I have talked about this case with usually express surprise that I am interested in the details when to them the big picture is clear--they unanimously believe she is guilty. They don't fret about the things WS does, they see a strutting, head-tossing, proven liar of a mother inventing a nanny no one has ever met and not reporting her child missing and then the child's body being found at the end of her street with duct tape across her face, and that tells them a whole story. The reason this case is being dragged out for so long is that the defense want people to get bound up in detail and lose sight of the macro view of things. But common sense is a powerful force, it shouldn't be underestimated.

I think it could be the groups of people we hang out with, as those whom I have spoken to all feel she did NOT kill Caylee. I personally feel that the State is responsible for this case being dragged out. After all, the discovery has not even been fully released yet! That is the States job, not the defense.

On another note I noticed a lot of posts directed at NTS about linking. I was under the impression after reading here for years, but only beginning to post, that if we stated something as fact we were supposed to link. Was I wrong in this assesment?

I HAVE read ALL the doc dumps. Actually, I have spent an awful lot more time doing that then offering my opinion. It took me a long time to step into the "fray" persay, but here I am finally. I felt it was not appropriate for me to post until I did have most of the evidence at my disposal. I certainly hope that people do not think that I am not informed simply because it took me so long to start posting.

To be honest, I always said that I would never "join" WS, simply because the general attitude seems to be Casey is evil ..she killed her ...end of discussion... fry her(and those who dont agree). I decided that I would, as I know that I am not the only one who feels that Caysee did NOT intentionally kill her daughter(some may even believe that she had nothing to do with it at all). I just had to work myself up for the general arse kicking that was going to come my way lol :innocent:

 

[JBean]

"Accident or Intentional..."

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