Actor Danny Masterson, of 'That 70s Show' charged with raping multiple women *Mistrial 2022* *Retrial 2023 Guilty*

Have just been back to skim KJ's testimony to take another look.
Which memories were lost? I am struggling to track those.
Kathleen J, uncharged Danny Masterson accuser, testifies to wrap party incident

Her testimony is about half way down the page or can be found by word search for the word ' nervous'
didn't realize it was two different testimonies - i was skimming through on first blush and thought it was a continuation of the "hot tub" testimony above.

what i'd say stands out as unauthentic... is the perfectly clear memory of events prior to the 2nd party from 20+ years ago... that would indicate she definitely wasn't drunk... but was definitely drugged and raped (she can remember those parts)... but, then doesn't remember anything again until she walks up to her step-daughter. was there a cross?

i'm not sure i understand how/why she was testifying if her accusations weren't charged. is that fair? does the defense have to try and defend it? is it damned if you do, damned if you don't?
 
Are Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis members of Scientology? If this is not the case, one can imagine that they have known DM for a long time and that they have forged friendships with him. We must not be blind: sometimes we are wrong about friends or even family members. It happened to me: I had not suspected anything, I had not imagined what my ex-husband could do . It’s terrible to realize that we didn’t see it coming. . (traduction reverso)
No, they are not now or ever members of the COS. But they have many close friends who are--especially DM, obviously--and they have often attended COS events at the Celebrity Center.
 
didn't realize it was two different testimonies - i was skimming through on first blush and thought it was a continuation of the "hot tub" testimony above.

what i'd say stands out as unauthentic... is the perfectly clear memory of events prior to the 2nd party from 20+ years ago... that would indicate she definitely wasn't drunk... but was definitely drugged and raped (she can remember those parts)... but, then doesn't remember anything again until she walks up to her step-daughter. was there a cross?

i'm not sure i understand how/why she was testifying if her accusations weren't charged. is that fair? does the defense have to try and defend it? is it damned if you do, damned if you don't?
I didn't follow DM's trial closely enough to know the witness of whom you speak, but if the facts are similar enough, many courts allow "pattern of behavior" witnesses to testify to the defendant's propensity to commit acts similar to the crime with which s/he is charged.
 
"Victims of sexual abuse have been historically silenced and the character statement I submitted is yet another painful instance of questioning victims who are brave enough to share their experiences," Kutcher wrote in a Sept. 14 letter to Thorn's board, which was shared exclusively with TIME.

"After my wife and I spent several days of listening, personal reflection, learning, and conversations with survivors and the employees and leadership at Thorn, I have determined the responsible thing for me to do is resign as Chairman of the Board, effectively immediately," Kutcher wrote. "I cannot allow my error in judgment to distract from our efforts and the children we serve."
Ashton Kutcher Steps Down as Board Chair of Anti-Child-Sex-Abuse Organization

This saddens me. AK and his organization have done alot for the cause he is so passionate about. I will never forget his testimony to congress on the topic of child trafficking.
 
Gosh, he's done a full 180 on the statement in the video apology '.....the character statement I submitted is yet another painful instance of questioning victims who are brave enough to share their experiences...'


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ETA Or could it just be a response to this from Rosie O'D? apparently this was yesterday
MSN
'In her TikTok video, O'Donnell described both resurfaced clips as "just creepy, disgusting" and said it "doesn't look good for Ashton Kutcher."

O'Donnell also mentioned Kutcher's work to fight sex trafficking through Thorn, which he founded in 2012 with ex-wife Demi Moore. The company develops technology to fight sex trafficking and online sexual abuse. "Interesting times," O'Donnell said.'
 
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The implications of this old post by Tony Ortega didn't occur to me when I read it because I hadn't known that AK was also a Exec Producer for the show The Ranch

In 2017, when news of the LAPD investigation into DM broke in the news.....' a former production assistant, on the show, Nick Olszewski, emailed his former boss, The Ranch producer Melanie Patterson after reading the two stories in the Huffington Post.
“I have information relative to Danny Masterson’s case. I just want to know what I should do,” he wrote to her.


Olszewski's various experiences with DM are at the link. Here's just one of his memories “Before Elisha and her sister and her girlfriends were going to Las Vegas for a birthday party, Danny gave them a crash course in how to avoid getting roofied. I thought it was strange, how he knew so much about it,” Olszewski says.

Anyway, after a period of reflection & reading of the news reports in Huff Post ' He decided he had to tell someone something, so he reached out to Patterson, his former boss on the show, on the morning of November 3.'

What happened next is shocking. TLDR the Ranch producer, instead of referring Olszewski to LAPD or to an internal investigation at Netflix, seeks to divert him direct to a personal attorney of Masterson and thus close down any accounts from adverse witnesses.
'Olszweski says he expected that The Ranch and Netflix would be interested in an independent investigation of the allegations against Masterson. But instead, they’d turned it over to Danny’s own attorney.

“Netflix was using Danny’s lawyer as the investigator,” Olszewski charges




Having since looked it up, AK is an exec producer, as is Jim Patterson. JP's wife Melanie is a producer. The Ranch (TV Series 2016–2020) - IMDb
 
For me all three: Masterson, AK and MK well deserved to be cancelled. Forever.
If the latter two were random people who never got anywhere close to the topic of sexual abuse then maybe, maybe that could be excused by lack of basic empathy and not being the brightest bulbs in the shed.
But they are both well aware, even involved. And that, for me makes it so, so much worse.
Some good they've done? Possibly. But now the damage is kinda irreparable IMO.
If the ones who were supposed to fight for the victims are okay with saying that perp shouldn't be sentenced too harshly cause he was always such a cool guy to them then they're obviously missing a point.

IF Masterson was a person truly worthy of receiving voices of support then these voices could easily include description of the immense progress he has made since he commited these crimes: so therapy, countless examples of attempts to fix at least some damage that he made, (while staying far, far away from the victims)... SOMETHING.
Instead... their wording tells me terrible things about THEM.

There are three types of people who are gettin heavily involved in charitable initiatives and social work:
1. The good ones, the best ones, the ones who really care and can't stand the injustice and pain of others.
2. The good ones, who want to help and would be supporting others no matter what, but their heavy involvement is more the matter of filling some sort of void in them,
3. And the bad ones, those who use that to hunt for victims in their most vulnerable moments or trying to silence their conscience, cause of the things they've done themselves or allowed to happen while they were able to stop it.

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For me all three: Masterson, AK and MK well deserved to be cancelled. Forever.
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If the ones who were supposed to fight for the victims are okay with saying that perp shouldn't be sentenced too harshly cause he was always such a cool guy to them then they're obviously missing a point....

Again, letters written to the judge re sentencing are legal documents. They aren't intended or understood to be summations of the evidence presented at trial or the conclusions of the jury. That info is hearsay to the writers of such letters.

All they are ALLOWED to do is recount their personally witnessed experience with the defendant. (Whether AK and MK did so honestly is a different question and THAT may be open to debate.)

The judge knows this! Her sentencing of DM to the practical maximum that wouldn't be overturned on appeal is proof. (Whether AK or MK were 100% accurate or not, their letters were no help to DM.)

***

"Forever" is a long, long time. Even convicts are allowed to earn a living once they get out of prison.
 
Nova,
"Forever" is a long, long time. Even convicts are allowed to earn a living once they get out of prison.'

Ironic that if so many hadn't been involved in covering-up, arguably, he'd have been caught sooner in the noughties and wouldn't now be serving a life sentence under Calif One Strike ( as well as, arguably, preventing further offences in later years)

So much of DM's 'downfall'- and the fall-out amongst his circles - seem self-inflicted to me.
 
thanks for posting this. offers a little insight into the differences between the two trials.

maybe it was just me - but that testimony in the 2nd link was hard to follow. could've just been the page format. from what I did get - and I understand she is an uncharged accuser - I did not find her testimony very convincing. there seemed to be some very "coached" language and weirdly specific memories of certain things... while others were conveniently lost. absent other evidence, as a juror, I'd probably figure this was just as likely a revisionist interpretation of events from someone feeling guilty about cheating on their spouse vs. an actual assault.

more compelling to me is evidence that DM admitted to certain things (re: another accuser) in a CoS mediation session or something?
As a rape victim, I can only offer my perspective on 'specific' and 'vagueness'. I too had been dosed with something and did not disclose until I saw my rapists photo on the front page of a work-related publication - at which time I immediately vomitted and started shaking in front of numerous co-workers. They knew something had happened which caused that gut reaction to seeing him again. Work-wise he would be considered as a peer.

When I reported, I couldn't remember the specific day it occured nor the colour of his blanket or sheets in his hotel room, but I did know the week as it was the sole time that I had been tasked to that location (or in the same place as he at the same time). I was also able to provide the exact number of 'holes' (it was a brass hole-punched metal shade) in the lamp shade on the dresser with a dent in the top of the lamp and the fact that there was a looped wire jutting out of the left side of the air conditioner along with his room location (but not the number). I was unable to move, but I understood what was happening to me and I, like many others I presume, focussed on something specific to 'fight' what was actually happening. This is a fairly common phenomena when one is being traumatized - and is not limited to rapes.

I believe her.
 
As a rape victim, I can only offer my perspective on 'specific' and 'vagueness'. I too had been dosed with something and did not disclose until I saw my rapists photo on the front page of a work-related publication - at which time I immediately vomitted and started shaking in front of numerous co-workers. They knew something had happened which caused that gut reaction to seeing him again. Work-wise he would be considered as a peer.

When I reported, I couldn't remember the specific day it occured nor the colour of his blanket or sheets in his hotel room, but I did know the week as it was the sole time that I had been tasked to that location (or in the same place as he at the same time). I was also able to provide the exact number of 'holes' (it was a brass hole-punched metal shade) in the lamp shade on the dresser with a dent in the top of the lamp and the fact that there was a looped wire jutting out of the left side of the air conditioner along with his room location (but not the number). I was unable to move, but I understood what was happening to me and I, like many others I presume, focussed on something specific to 'fight' what was actually happening. This is a fairly common phenomena when one is being traumatized - and is not limited to rapes.

I believe her.
Thank you for sharing and I am so sorry this happened to you.
 
As a rape victim, I can only offer my perspective on 'specific' and 'vagueness'. I too had been dosed with something and did not disclose until I saw my rapists photo on the front page of a work-related publication - at which time I immediately vomitted and started shaking in front of numerous co-workers. They knew something had happened which caused that gut reaction to seeing him again. Work-wise he would be considered as a peer.

When I reported, I couldn't remember the specific day it occured nor the colour of his blanket or sheets in his hotel room, but I did know the week as it was the sole time that I had been tasked to that location (or in the same place as he at the same time). I was also able to provide the exact number of 'holes' (it was a brass hole-punched metal shade) in the lamp shade on the dresser with a dent in the top of the lamp and the fact that there was a looped wire jutting out of the left side of the air conditioner along with his room location (but not the number). I was unable to move, but I understood what was happening to me and I, like many others I presume, focussed on something specific to 'fight' what was actually happening. This is a fairly common phenomena when one is being traumatized - and is not limited to rapes.

I believe her.
Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry you experienced this.
 

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