AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #6

[katydid23]

I thought LE said when they first made the arrest something about not expecting other arrests or not really expecting other POI's-did I imagine that?

Yes, they did say something along those lines.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Welcome 907.

I find it interesting you mentioned the reward fund being talked about coinciding with the start of the withdrawals.

In the indictment it actually states that not all the information is in the indictment, just enough to serve it's purpose for an arrest. That, to me, translates that there is more information out there that they know, they are just charging him with those other things yet.

 

[Snowbunny]

I don't get that at all. FIRST thing one would do, imo, is close their account or move the money somewhere else. And I still do not understand why the bank let it keep on going. We have had our account 'skimmed;' twice in the last year, and both times the bank closed it down immediately upon confirming that we were not in another state making large purchases. Immediately. I cannot imagine them allowing the thieves to continue taking out 500 bucks a day for so long. The only way I can see them doing so is if they were told that it might lead to finding Sam.

Could it be if this was a Koenig account that LE spoke with James or even Duane and they have been pugging the account with part of the reward fund if they thought it might lead to Samantha? I doubt very seriously that James would mention that to anyone.

 

[bessie]

:seeya: Welcome, 907. Your post is fine. You made an important point that has been mentioned here before. The scope of the affidavit is very narrow leaving room for many possibilities. IMO
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[907]

here is the article that says the card was used hours after abduction, also shows timeline and location of use.
Hours before IK left AK,
the 28th at 10:15, when the "spening reward rumors" started,
29th early am took out money,
then again in the lower 48.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/22/2078564/details-emerge-about-koenig-case.html

 

[GutFeeling!]

here is the article that says the card was used hours after abduction, also shows timeline and location of use.
Hours before IK left AK,
the 28th at 10:15, when the "spening reward rumors" started,
29th early am took out money,
then again in the lower 48.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/22/2078564/details-emerge-about-koenig-case.html

The article says that "According to an FBI agent's affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Alaska and made public Thursday, a stolen debit card found on Keyes was used in Anchorage hours after Koenig's disappearance.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/22/2078564/details-emerge-about-koenig-case.html#storylink=cpy

But I can't find where that is said in the affidavit.

Link here: http://media.adn.com/smedia/2012/03/23/09/52/vSBU3.So.7.pdf

 

[GutFeeling!]

It says it was stolen hours after the abduction but I can't see where it says it was used. Mistake by the reporter maybe, or have a missed a sentence?

I know that not all the information was in the affidavit.

 

[907]

if you start with the balance inquiry of $3,598.91 and add back in the withdrawl amounts of $400, 500 and 500. That gets you to $4,998.91.

IMO, it appears that there was a nice even amount in there in the first place, right around $5,000.

 

[GutFeeling!]

if you start with the balance inquiry of $3,598.91 and add back in the withdrawl amounts of $400, 500 and 500. That gets you to $4,998.91.

IMO, it appears that there was a nice even amount in there in the first place, right around $5,000.

Ok reward spending rumours start around the same time as $5000 deposited. So JK is connected? Or at least, helping authorities? Or not helping at all and doing this alone?

He has offered the abductors money without involving police a few times publically. Do you think they actually contacted him?

Work with me 907! LOL

.... and still the affidavit and the story are different. That has to be mistake by the reporter, no? I know reporters can make mistakes, I am one, but I never make mistakes

 

[bessie]

The article says that "According to an FBI agent's affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Alaska and made public Thursday, a stolen debit card found on Keyes was used in Anchorage hours after Koenig's disappearance.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/22/2078564/details-emerge-about-koenig-case.html#storylink=cpy

But I can't find where that is said in the affidavit.

Link here: http://media.adn.com/smedia/2012/03/23/09/52/vSBU3.So.7.pdf

It's not in the affidavit. The reporter got that part wrong. It was the first thing I noticed in the affidavit. The first article really botched it. A revision was made within an hour or two, but it was still incorrect.

 

[akmama]

This may be a silly question, and I may be getting other references mixed up with the affidavit. This, I believe, is the only affidavit I've ever read, so it may be common, but why is person A referred to as "alleged victim" (this may be where I'm getting screwed up with references, but I keep reading that), even if IK didn't rob him, he was still robbed, right? Therefore, a victim? And why does it spell out that he said he didn't give his card to anyone, and no one had permission to use it, isn't that kind of redundant? Just curious if that is odd, or normal for an affadavit?

 

[GutFeeling!]

Have a look at these pics:
http://bandittracker.com/2012/02/national-bank-of-texas-azle/

This is the story: http://www.azlenews.net/news.asp?Story=19780

This happened February 16. Does this face look familar to anyone else? Compare the ears.



http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/national_world&id=8583488

May explain those rolls of cash in the car.

This was actually pointed out to me and to me, they do look similar. There are a few descrepancies. Wanted poster says he was 5'9 to 5'10" but newspaper says 6'.

Wanted poster says "longish hair" ... I say barber shop can change that between a robbery and an arrest.

According to the house/dog sitter's mum IK was out of town for a couple of weeks from the 2nd. One day after SK was abducted and a couple of weeks before robbery in Azle.

Thoughts?

 

[akmama]

@GutFeeling. I see the similarities.....I don't want to think about it, though.....a whole new can of worms, thanks a lot....like there isn't enough possibilities in this case!

 

[GutFeeling!]

This may be a silly question, and I may be getting other references mixed up with the affidavit. This, I believe, is the only affidavit I've ever read, so it may be common, but why is person A referred to as "alleged victim" (this may be where I'm getting screwed up with references, but I keep reading that), even if IK didn't rob him, he was still robbed, right? Therefore, a victim? And why does it spell out that he said he didn't give his card to anyone, and no one had permission to use it, isn't that kind of redundant? Just curious if that is odd, or normal for an affadavit?

The alledged vistim is often used because nothing has been proven in a court yet.

That spelling out of that information puts on a legal form that Person A did not give this information to the robber.

IF anything changes, and they actually did give info out, then they can face charges of filing a false report. It also gives credence to the charge he is facing.
They are saying it wwasn;t given, that means that the charge applies (that is part of that charge). Make sense? It's late here my head is spinning lol

 

[GutFeeling!]

@GutFeeling. I see the similarities.....I don't want to think about it, though.....a whole new can of worms, thanks a lot....like there isn't enough possibilities in this case!

Someone has to lose sleep with me, I choose you lol At least I am in good company

 

[907]

It's not in the affidavit. The reporter got that part wrong. .

Well, it doesn't match the affidavit. But does that make it wrong? i say no. It makes it unverifiable at this point, right?

It doesn't appear that the wording was in error, or bad editing. It appears to me it is written as fact.

my theory.
card is used within hours, Ik doesn't get any money, or the balance is too low to continue using.
waits until there may be a reason to try it again later on.
"rumor" of reward spending, withdraws start.

If the balance was low, then there wouldn't be as much concern to hurry to call the card issuer. If there was only $20 in there, they can't take more than that.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Well, it doesn't match the affidavit. But does that make it wrong? i say no. It makes it unverifiable at this point, right?

It doesn't appear that the wording was in error, or bad editing. It appears to me it is written as fact.

my theory.
card is used within hours, Ik doesn't get any money, or the balance is too low to continue using.
waits until there may be a reason to try it again later on.
"rumor" of reward spending, withdraws start.

If the balance was low, then there wouldn't be as much concern to hurry to call the card issuer. If there was only $20 in there, they can't take more than that.

The reporter states that according to the affidavit ... if he/she had spoken to police then I can understand they may have been told something not released. But they are saying that is what they saw on the affidavit. They can't have changed the affidavit.

BUT I like where you are going ...

 

[bessie]

Compare the bank robber's photo to IK's profile here.

The ears and jawline look similar to me. The affidavit says he told police he was in Texas to attend a wedding. That might explain the haircut.

 

[GutFeeling!]

I think the reporter has written used after hours the abduction but meant stolen hours after the abduction, like it is written in the affidavit.

 

[GutFeeling!]

The secong photo shows a few curly bits hanging out below the cap.

These are my thoughts: APD have not released the video because of something in there, maybe the abductor didn't wear a face mask made with a Tshirt but a protective breathing thingy (I don't know what they are called lol) , and/or the gun might be able to be compared.
The bank robbers coverup kinda suits a construction worker too.