AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #7

[Deleted member 718]

If they could track her cell phone, she would've been found much sooner. By this time, her cell phone wouldn't be transmitting because the battery would be dead.

Thanks Bessie. I was thinking LE may have had a general area of her location and it took them awhile to pin point. Yes the battery would have died not to mention it may have been underwater. I'm not yet convinced Keyes is talking, so I was trying to think of another way they could have found her. Any ideas on that? LE asked for anyone that may have seen Keyes's truck, so maybe someone remembered seeing and that narrowed down the search.

 

[Fire Dragon]

ryanemsmom;Re: the lake ice. I respectfully disagree. I have been ice fishing at numerous lakes, and have seen ice break up in a lake while there is still snow on it."

No problem. We'll agree to disagree. Steady cold, on-going snowfall through the month of February, little change in day-to-night temperatures, until two weeks ago. No moisture from underneath, no cracks, no seams, no changes at the edges where ice melts first. At least that I can see.
Either way, three feet of ice is three feet of ice, right?

I've gone ice-fishing by snowmachine in late May/early June. Know how to tell if ice is safe, even with water on top. Know how to see the difference between an open lead and melted water. Know how to judge weak new ice in the fall.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Thanks Bessie. I was thinking LE may have had a general area of her location and it took them awhile to pin point. Yes the battery would have died not to mention it may have been underwater. I'm not yet convinced Keyes is talking, so I was trying to think of another way they could have found her. Any ideas on that? LE asked for anyone that may have seen Keyes's truck, so maybe someone remembered seeing and that narrowed down the search.

It very well could be a witness that saw him there came forward or someone that he told he was going ice fishing came forward or the SO came forward with info or ???

It seems to me if he talked they would already have enough to slap murder charges on him.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know...that is a pretty random lake in a random spot for LE not to have some very specific info...would a call saying they might have seen a similar truck up there have brought up divers and sonar? I would like to think so, but is that really feasible, unless they also have the plate # or something else? Or did the shed contain contain something from that area, a map or a receipt?

 

[Deleted member 718]

It very well could be a witness that saw him there came forward or someone that he told he was going ice fishing came forward or the SO came forward with info or ???

It seems to me if he talked they would already have enough to slap murder charges on him.

I bet the DA is dotting his I's and crossing his T's with regards to charges. I'm so anxious to read them. At least then we can discuss that instead of debating how ice melts. LOL! Not that there's anything wrong with that. I love physics.

:seeya:

 

[Fire Dragon]

FBI used a remote-controlled vehicle with sonar. They "scanned" the surface while they were staging.

FBI agent Charles "Bart" Bartenfeld, program manager of USERT (Underwater Search and Evidence Response Team), Quantico.

Before a pair of divers went into the water Monday, the team used sonar and a remotely operated vehicle to look under the ice, Bartenfeld said. Investigators cut a dive hole through ice 2 1/2- to 3-feet thick.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/03/2094360/details-in-koenig-case-remain.html#storylink=cpy

 

[bessie]

Thanks Bessie. I was thinking LE may have had a general area of her location and it took them awhile to pin point. Yes the battery would have died not to mention it may have been underwater. I'm not yet convinced Keyes is talking, so I was trying to think of another way they could have found her. Any ideas on that? LE asked for anyone that may have seen Keyes's truck, so maybe someone remembered seeing and that narrowed down the search.

Ah! I see what you mean. I suppose LE might have gotten a lead on the truck. Except for a couple of years I lived in Chicago, and a few vacations in Montana, I have no experience with that type of environment. (I live in New Orleans.) Based on what I've been reading here, I think it would be difficult to pinpoint the exact spot. The recovery team went right to it the other day. That tells me they had specific information. LE said IK acted alone. So the information could only have come from him.

 

[tiredblondy]

This one I'm pretty certain IS IK.

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFind...t=false&IDType=IRN&IDNumber=31107-086&x=0&y=0

Wonder why he was in federal prison then?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I would think they would have had to have a pretty credible tip to bring in the out of town divers and equipment and such. They had to have felt pretty confident that she might be there.

 

[tiredblondy]

Ah! I see what you mean. I suppose LE might have gotten a lead on the truck. Except for a couple of years I lived in Chicago, and a few vacations in Montana, I have no experience with that type of environment. (I live in New Orleans.) Based on what I've been reading here, I think it would be difficult to pinpoint the exact spot. The recovery team went right to it the other day. That tells me they had specific information. LE said IK acted alone. So the information could only have come from him.

Hi Bessie, reading back a few pages they said they'd used sonar.

 

[bessie]

FBI used a remote-controlled vehicle with sonar. They "scanned" the surface while they were staging.

FBI agent Charles "Bart" Bartenfeld, program manager of USERT (Underwater Search and Evidence Response Team), Quantico.

Before a pair of divers went into the water Monday, the team used sonar and a remotely operated vehicle to look under the ice, Bartenfeld said. Investigators cut a dive hole through ice 2 1/2- to 3-feet thick.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/03/2094360/details-in-koenig-case-remain.html#storylink=cpy

Maybe I should edit my other post. As I was typing, I was thinking they must have used sonar, but I hadn't read that they did. ROV's can provide excellent information, too. I guess it is possible that a witness reported his truck in the area, and that led them to the lake. Another possibility. LE said right away that they believed she died hours after the abduction. At the time, I thoguht Keyes must have confessed. But if the tip came fron a witness who saw the truck early the next day, that would tell LE when she died.

 

[Ransom]

Wonder why he was in federal prison then?

DUI. He served ONE day for drinking/driving on a military base. READ here.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7690413&highlight=DUI#post7690413

post #181 by sfbaynancydrew

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

ryanemsmom;Re: the lake ice. I respectfully disagree. I have been ice fishing at numerous lakes, and have seen ice break up in a lake while there is still snow on it."

No problem. We'll agree to disagree. Steady cold, on-going snowfall through the month of February, little change in day-to-night temperatures, until two weeks ago. No moisture from underneath, no cracks, no seams, no changes at the edges where ice melts first. At least that I can see.
Either way, three feet of ice is three feet of ice, right?

I've gone ice-fishing by snowmachine in late May/early June. Know how to tell if ice is safe, even with water on top. Know how to see the difference between an open lead and melted water. Know how to judge weak new ice in the fall.

OT but dang you girls are bad@$$es! lol I feel like such a citified wuss .

Carry on, I don't feel I have much to contribute until new info is released from LE. I'll keep checking PACER though to post any new info.

 

[Deleted member 718]

As many twists and turns this case has had, I'd believe the guy that lives at the lake took pictures of the lake that day and later realized he'd snapped a pic of Keyes ice fishing with his truck in the background.

I'm still so sad at the outcome. I wanted anything but this. lease:

 

[Ransom]

As many twists and turns this case has had, I'd believe the guy that lives at the lake took pictures of the lake that day and later realized he'd snapped a pic of Keyes ice fishing with his truck in the background.

I'm still so sad at the outcome. I wanted anything but this. lease:

I guess I don't see any twists and turns. From the get go, Samantha was abducted by an unknown perp per LE. LE has been tracking IK and only IK. He's their guy and only guy. Arrested in Texas for access fraud. He spills his guts to get away from DP by the FEDS. FEDS found her body in Lake Mat where he put her. IMO. He's responsible and he's not an accessory, etc.

JUST MY OPINION.

 

[cluciano63]

I guess I don't see any twists and turns. From the get go, Samantha was abducted by an unknown perp per LE. LE has been tracking IK and only IK. He's their guy and only guy. Arrested in Texas for access fraud. He spills his guts to get away from DP by the FEDS. FEDS found her body in Lake Mat where he put her. IMO. He's responsible and he's not an accessory, etc.

JUST MY OPINION.

I agree. I've always seen this as a robbery turned into a sex crime/murder...and then he hit the road, trying to distance himself from the case. If he hadn't used cards taken in other robberies (presumably) that linked him to the video at the coffee stand, he may not have ever been captured, thank goodness he did. JMO

 

[joslmaman]

http://www.adn.com/2012/04/04/2407690/body-recovered-from-valley-lake.html

 

[bessie]

I guess I don't see any twists and turns. From the get go, Samantha was abducted by an unknown perp per LE. LE has been tracking IK and only IK. He's their guy and only guy. Arrested in Texas for access fraud. He spills his guts to get away from DP by the FEDS. FEDS found her body in Lake Mat where he put her. IMO. He's responsible and he's not an accessory, etc.

JUST MY OPINION.

That makes sense, but we still don't know for sure if he confessed. Until we do, it's open to speculation.

 

[LucyOso]

It may have been easier to find her with sonar if he weighted her with something, perhaps by the feet. (Sorry that is bad).

Also, I was wondering about how earlier in the investigation, another body came up at a lake but was male. Is it possible LE had an idea this was how he dumped her, but, they weren't sure which lake until they got more information from the public about where the truck had been. Maybe IK took a sudden interest in ice fishing and the SO said something. It was a matter of time before they got the tip about the "right" lake.

 

[LucyOso]

Part of taking the shed, if it didn't served as a place to store the body, could also be that if he stored his "ice fishing" supplies, i.e. auger, etc, those items would retain evidence. Most lakes, streams, etc have a unique biological make-up. Certain amoebas, sediment, pH, etc. That could link the water/ice in the shed to the lake. Even if he got rid of the tools, some of the water or ice would end up on the floor.