AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #1

[Janeumayer]

Plus, knowing this was a drive-up business, my feeling is that the second the last customer left the window and it hit closing time, the first thing she probably did was board up the windows so nobody else would pull up. I've worked retail and in a veterinary office that accepted walk-ins. I can tell you that in both cases, the first things we would do at closing was lock the doors so you wouldn't have people showing up 10 minutes after you closed and walking in.

I read somewhere that this Coffee shop had two drive-in windows. Is this true?

If it is true, are there two separate security cameras (one for each window)? Maybe one does not have a camera facing it and that's how the guy avoided being completely or clearly seen?

What if Samantha was boarding up one of the windows and the perp came in through the other one or pulled her out the other one?

At first her co-workers said she had left her belongings in her cubby. We later learned that this was not true.

Maybe the business was not completely boarded up. MOO

 

[amysmom]

A few people have asked about footprints in the snow - this was a coffee shack in the middle of a parking lot, which is probably plowed and salted so no footprints would be there.

Also, by the time LE got there in the am others had already walked in that area & IIRC there had been some snow since 8p the previous night.

 

[amysmom]

At first her co-workers said she had left her belongings in her cubby. We later learned that this was not true.

sbm

How can a 'mistake' like this be made by co-workers? Anyway, we can assume it's true her purse was not found there cos there's a pix of it in one of her 'missing' flyers..

 

[bdawk20]

I read somewhere that this Coffee shop had two drive-in windows. Is this true?

If it is true, are there two separate security cameras (one for each window)? Maybe one does not have a camera facing it and that's how the guy avoided being completely or clearly seen?

What if Samantha was boarding up one of the windows and the perp came in through the other one or pulled her out the other one?

At first her co-workers said she had left her belongings in her cubby. We later learned that this was not true.

Maybe the business was not completely boarded up. MOO

Yes, two. There are pics posted somewhere around here that show it. I don't know if when only one person was working if both windows would be "open" or not. Seems like 2 windows makes sense for 2 people working, but senseless for only one person to move back and forth across the shop. I have no idea about that, though. Would love to have a local in here that has frequented that business and would know about that kind of thing....

 

[bdawk20]

sbm

How can a 'mistake' like this be made by co-workers? Anyway, we can assume it's true her purse was not found there cos there's a pix of it in one of her 'missing' flyers..

I think it was bad reporting.

 

[amysmom]

Great to see the newbies here!

:welcome4:

 

[katydid23]

I am so confused! I have been following this case and keep coming back to this question. What did the bf do AFTER he saw Sam? In one report he says,"it was a mess." Well what was a mess? Did anybody ever question him? I highly doubt he would just go home and forget about her not being there. Did he see 2 sets of footprints?? Was there any marks out of the ordinary in the snow? Did he call mutual friends to see if anybody else saw anything? IMO I think they need to start at the beginning and find out just what his answers were? I read that they have no reason to suspect him, but have they ever cleared him? I have never posted before otherwise I would have replied to the other person who posted questions about the bf.

I agree. I want to know what steps he took to make sure she had found another ride home. Did he call her friends, and/or her dad ? Or did he do the jealous boyfriend thing and ASSUME she went off with someone else? That is what I am thinking he did.

Oh, and :welcome::fireworks:

 

[amysmom]

I am so confused! I have been following this case and keep coming back to this question. What did the bf do AFTER he saw Sam? In one report he says,"it was a mess." Well what was a mess? Did anybody ever question him?

s&ubm

He didn't see Sam that night so do you mean when he saw she wasn't there?

 

[amysmom]

I have a question about the restraining order. Was CB arrested/charged with sexual assault, or did she just seek a restraining order for that reason? Is that even possible? I'm lucky not to have any experience with either, so I'm not sure how that works....

He was not arrested so she must not have pressed charges? But yet, she tries to get a RO claiming "sexual assault"..Her proof (testimony) would be heard if she attended the hearing..And even after that she still had the right not to testify in a criminal trial?..I don't get it either! :waitasec:

 

[Wondergirl]

Can a local have a look at this cell phone tower map, and let me know which of the 15 cell phone towers would be closest to the location Samantha disappeared from?

Depending on the model of the phone (I think), her phone would ping the closest tower whether the phone was on/off, depending on her location.

If her phone was ringing through until apx. noon the following day, that would likely mean the phone was on all that time, so, the cell tower triangulation could be very telling, but, it takes time to gather the info.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Anchorage-Alaska.html

 

[Wondergirl]

I am on the side of LE 95% of the time, but, I cannot help but wonder if not releasing the video is a MAJOR mistake by LE. It is not about entertainment. It is about finding Samantha. Who is the man in the video?

In the case of Victoria Stafford, the 8 year old girl who was abducted while walking home from school, her abductor was captured walking with her on video.

The video was released to the public at a strategic point of time.

Her stride, the way she walked, everything was dissected intensely. It did contribute to the case, and there may be something that the public will recognize in the man, by viewing it on video.

It is my contention that there is a specific reason why LE is not releasing the video, or it is a major mistake by local LE. But, the FBI is on the case now, so surely they would have them release it?

“Our detectives have gone over those videos frame by frame, slow motion, fast motion, normal speed, everything they could possibly do to make that determination as to who that is,” said Anchorage police spokesperson Lieutenant Dave Parker. But APD is not sharing what it says is proof Samantha Koenig was kidnapped – not even with her family.

http://www.ktva.com/home/outbound-x...ease-Video-of-Koenig-Abduction-138943419.html

 

[dillysmom11]

It's possible her "new" car was "new to her" and was broke down, unless it's been confirmed the truck was new. Not getting the BF either. I wonder if she had previous threats against her (to the family) and both BF and daddy knew. MOO

 

[dillysmom11]

Hmm. Also, regarding the "mess" BF speaks of, if the shack was closed up then he must be referring to the situation.

 

[bdawk20]

“Our detectives have gone over those videos frame by frame, slow motion, fast motion, normal speed, everything they could possibly do to make that determination as to who that is,” said Anchorage police spokesperson Lieutenant Dave Parker. But APD is not sharing what it says is proof Samantha Koenig was kidnapped – not even with her family.

http://www.ktva.com/home/outbound-xm...138943419.html

The problem I see with this is, the detectives don't know everyone! If you show me a video of a stranger I could also look at it a million different ways and never be able to tell you who it is, but if you show the same video to someone close to the person on it, there could easily be something they recognize that someone that doesn't know the person does not. Idk, LE's logic just escapes me on this one.

 

[katydid23]

“Our detectives have gone over those videos frame by frame, slow motion, fast motion, normal speed, everything they could possibly do to make that determination as to who that is,” said Anchorage police spokesperson Lieutenant Dave Parker. But APD is not sharing what it says is proof Samantha Koenig was kidnapped – not even with her family.

http://www.ktva.com/home/outbound-xm...138943419.html

The problem I see with this is, the detectives don't know everyone! If you show me a video of a stranger I could also look at it a million different ways and never be able to tell you who it is, but if you show the same video to someone close to the person on it, there could easily be something they recognize that someone that doesn't know the person does not. Idk, LE's logic just escapes me on this one.

I agree. They may recognize the walk of an old boyfriend of hers, or a friend of her brothers or a disgruntled ex employee of her father's. IMO, there are always so many possible perps, and the family would be the most likely to recognize them.

 

[z560]

Yes, two. There are pics posted somewhere around here that show it. I don't know if when only one person was working if both windows would be "open" or not. Seems like 2 windows makes sense for 2 people working, but senseless for only one person to move back and forth across the shop. I have no idea about that, though. Would love to have a local in here that has frequented that business and would know about that kind of thing....

I have not been to this particular coffee stand, but I have been to others like it in Anchorage. IIRC, they will keep both windows open even if there is only one person working there. This way more cars can pull up at the same time. If there was a long line on one side people might not go there, but when there are two sides open then it looks not so busy. Also if they did close down one side they'd have to put up some kind of sign outside so that people know not to drive up to that side.

 

[bdawk20]

I agree. They may recognize the walk of an old boyfriend of hers, or a friend of her brothers or a disgruntled ex employee of her father's. IMO, there are always so many possible perps, and the family would be the most likely to recognize them.

Right! And just maybe there is someone out there that thinks someone they know acted a little "off" right after this or something, but hasn't come forward because they think "nahhh, couldn't be", or are hesitant to turn their name over on a "hunch". Maybe, though, if they saw the video and saw characteristics of the person they have in mind, they would contact LE, and she could be found.

 

[z560]

Can a local have a look at this cell phone tower map, and let me know which of the 15 cell phone towers would be closest to the location Samantha disappeared from?

Depending on the model of the phone (I think), her phone would ping the closest tower whether the phone was on/off, depending on her location.

If her phone was ringing through until apx. noon the following day, that would likely mean the phone was on all that time, so, the cell tower triangulation could be very telling, but, it takes time to gather the info.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Anchorage-Alaska.html

Assuming this map is current and accurate, the closest tower to the area where she was abducted is the one on university drive and bragaw street. The one on Chevigney Road is almost as close and would be the closer one if they did head west after the abduction.

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

I saw it, and that is what he said. He said he does not think she knew the person that abducted her, but that they were acting on behalf of someone that knows her. I doubt that he could draw that conclusion from her reaction to the abductor on the tape, which leads me to believe he definitely has someone in mind....

ETA thinking about it, I think he also said he has not seen the tape (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's correct, than I'm not real sure why her dad thinks she does not know her actual abductor.....

Dad indicates a suspicion of her being grabbed on behalf of someone else. Who would be in a position to have someone else go down and grab a girl for you?

Gang member.

Gangs in Anchorage? The FBI works a joint gang task force from their Anchorage location.

http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/about-us/our-partnerships/partners

"We also take part in several major partnerships targeting violent crime:
Our Anchorage Safe Streets Task Force combines investigators from the Anchorage Police Department; the Alaska State Troopers; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI to pool expertise and resources in targeting street gangs and violent criminals of all kinds."

There's gangs there. A few years old, but gang related news report from Anchorage:

http://juneauempire.com/stories/070709/sta_460684983.shtml

Note the mention of Scott Lofthouse, the Anchorage police gang intelligence officer. Anyone recall that name quoted in any news regarding Samantha? I'm shuffling through, but it seems I saw that name quoted at some point.

Also, the primary "person of interest" here seems to be a Rap performer, and in my limited experience, I believe that noise is also called "Gangsta"?

I may be so far out in left field I've left the game.

 

[cluciano63]

Seems like LE has had enough time by now with that video, if they were going to be able figure out who the man is, they would have by now...time to get help from the public, IMO. How long are they going to wait?