AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #2

[Knox]

I stay away from discussions about money in missing person's cases, always turns ugly.

Specifically talks about reward funds.
http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/childismissing/ch6.html

The overall Guide.
http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/childismissing/contents.html

 

[CincinnatiKate]

(What about funds for Missing Adults) ?? TIA

I stay away from discussions about money in missing person's cases, always turns ugly.

Specifically talks about reward funds.
http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/childismissing/ch6.html

The overall Guide.
http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/childismissing/contents.html

 

[Knox]

(What about funds for Missing Adults) ?? TIA

http://beautifulpoems.tripod.com/id26.html

http://investigation.discovery.com/investigation/missing-persons/resources.html

Not sure about that, but above are some links to support organizations.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Also.....what does her dad mean by "Sam is a statistic and has been one for several years now" " not by her own doing but at the hands of others"? What statistical group is he talking about?

This is a cryptic message! Creepy!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Everything you wrote is true, however it's less about the weight than it is about pictures they're posting. She clearly looks significantly different with a 20 pound weight fluctuation, which is, I think, the point of what we're saying....tell us who we're looking for! People's faces change with more or less weight, you can't just go by face alone. If I was actively searching for Sam on a street (unlikely since I live in California, but still!) and all I had were the perfectly posed, taken at an angle above the head pictures that they keep posting, I would walk RIGHT BY the girl in the Santa hat without even glancing her way. There was a picture of her and her father where she was also heavier and looked VERY different than the pictures they have plastered on her posters.

Sam is beautiful in all of pictures, but give us the ones that best show how she looked the day she went missing. It's not a snarky commentary on a young woman's weight (trust me, I would/could *never* do that), it's about needing an accurate way to identify her should someone (who does not know her in person) see her on the street.

Something tells me she is way thinner now than ever before!

Where are you, Sam? lease:

 

[isamom]

My last post when I quoted him in caps, did not mean to come out defensive. So I am really sorry if it came across like that. I just copied and pasted his quote and he always writes in caps. Sorry I didn't mean for it to look like I was being rude nor defensive. I was posted what he did directly say as well.

My point was there have been some comments made regarding his use of the donation money. And in my opinion I just think people, there are those out there that have gave him scrutiny over it. I did say people said on FB that is was fine, but I wasn't meaning just those people. There have been many, many, others and organizations out there that we do not know about that have also donated and telling him if he needs help with his mortgage use it. So I think the bottom line is he has admitted to using some donated money, however he is using the money donated to him that he knows was also for that purpose and was given the ok.

I really want nothing but positive too. So I do not mean to offend anyone just sharing my thoughts and opinions like others So please do not take anything personal. I think this forum is full of great people trying to help and support getting her home safe. And that is such a blessing.

 

[Joe Friday]

http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-apd-o...koenig-case-are-good-20120229,0,4046988.story

APD: Odds of Solving Samantha Koenig Case are Good

Sgt. Slav Markiewicz said detectives are making tremendous progress, and added they are continuing this investigation as if Samantha Koenig is alive.

Anchorage Police said it has received close to 400 leads since Koenig went missing February 1st. Sgt. Markowitz said the odds of solving this case are good, and that he's convinced it's just a matter of time.

“I speak from my experience, and I speak because I know how the case is progressing,” he said.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Dad is paying bills with reward money? Since their fundraising is ADVERTISED as a REWARD & also for SEARCHING, since money is being used for personal household bills he could get in trouble. It doesn't matter that *some* people say it's ok to use it however he deems fit. It only takes one person to complain to authorities that they donated money that is being used for something other than what was advertised to them. Also, it was said that some money paid his mortgage, is that true? Did he say that himself or did somebody assume that? Do we know that he owns his home or does he rent? If Dad wants to use some of the donation money for personal bills, he should please put that info right next to where he states it's being used for a reward & searches.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I just wanna say that if one of my sons went missing and I was soliciting donations to help with a search and/or reward, there wouldn't be a single day that I wouldn't be hitting the pavement. I could care less about the perfect experts that say not to search bc evidence could be compromised yada yada. That would be my child out there missing so how dare somebody tell me not to search. Puhleeease. All this money collected but no searching? Why? All that money could be used for searching every other day. Snow? I posted links some pages back that pertain to Alaskan SAR dogs - yeah they can search in snow & have found victims buried from avalanches. No searching going on has my hinky meter going off on full volume.

 

[Joe Friday]

I just wanna say that if one of my sons went missing and I was soliciting donations to help with a search and/or reward, there wouldn't be a single day that I wouldn't be hitting the pavement. I could care less about the perfect experts that say not to search bc evidence could be compromised yada yada. That would be my child out there missing so how dare somebody tell me not to search. Puhleeease. All this money collected but no searching? Why? All that money could be used for searching every other day. Snow? I posted links some pages back that pertain to Alaskan SAR dogs - yeah they can search in snow & have found victims buried from avalanches. No searching going on has my hinky meter going off on full volume.

If your hinkey meter is already on high alert this should put it up there even a little higher.

Still, police spokesman Lt. Dave Parker says the team of investigators believe they are getting closer each day to finding Koenig and her apparent abductor.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/29/2344750/search-for-koenig-continues-a.html#storylink=cpy

I wouldn't be surprised if we are all really stunned at the outcome of this case. Perhaps LE knows that this whole thing was staged to look like an abduction and they are just waiting and collecting evidence before they make their move.

It might explain the lack of searches.

JMO

 

[Joe Friday]

Koenig said he has been unable to work during his daughter's disappearance, spending the past month conducting searches of his own and following leads.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/29/2344750/search-for-koenig-continues-a.html#storylink=cpy

I wonder where he has been searching or why nothing has been reported in MSM as to any searches he has conducted.

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

If your hinkey meter is already on high alert this should put it up there even a little higher.



I wouldn't be surprised if we are all really stunned at the outcome of this case. Perhaps LE knows that this whole thing was staged to look like an abduction and they are just waiting and collecting evidence before they make their move.

It might explain the lack of searches.

JMO

I won't be surprised by anything in this case...it just all feels wrong, somehow.

 

[Joe Friday]

Dad is paying bills with reward money? Since their fundraising is ADVERTISED as a REWARD & also for SEARCHING, since money is being used for personal household bills he could get in trouble. It doesn't matter that *some* people say it's ok to use it however he deems fit. It only takes one person to complain to authorities that they donated money that is being used for something other than what was advertised to them. Also, it was said that some money paid his mortgage, is that true? Did he say that himself or did somebody assume that? Do we know that he owns his home or does he rent? If Dad wants to use some of the donation money for personal bills, he should please put that info right next to where he states it's being used for a reward & searches.

BBM

He never said he used the money to pay his morgage or his rent according to what was said in the following article.

He never said anything about paying rent or mortgage on fb either. http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=345444818833513&id=328733013838027

Meantime, a reward fund set up by Koenig's father and infused with cash from benefit events has swelled from Koenig's initial deposit of $12,500. It's now between $65,000 to $70,000, the father, James Koenig, said Wednesday.

Koenig would not say exactly how much money is in the Denali Alaskan Federal Credit account. He has offered the money as a reward to anyone with information that leads to his daughter's safe return and as a possible cash payment to her apparent kidnappers if she is released unharmed.


"Whoever brings her homes gets it," he said. "It is what it is, and if it ain't enough for 'em, we'll just have to go find her on our own, and nobody gets a dime."

Koenig said he is tired of answering questions and receiving criticism related to the money, some of which he has used to pay bills -- including electric, phone and heating bills -- "to keep the home running so she has one to come home to."

"People just need to mind their own business," he said. "I don't appreciate them saying we're raising these funds so I can line my own pockets."

Many people donating money have told him to use the cash as he sees fit, he said.


Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/29/2344750/search-for-koenig-continues-a.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Joe Friday]

I won't be surprised by anything in this case...it just all feels wrong, somehow.

I think in a lot of kidnapping cases the parent(s) are coached by authorities as to what to say and write or more importantly what not to say or write publicly. I don't think that is the case here though.

Some of the things James has written on fb and said publicly to the MSM I think would be frowned upon by investigators handling a kidnapping case. It is very obvious to me his statements are not prepared for him by anyone that specializes in kidnappings and he is not receiving any coaching from anyone on what to say or not to say to the MSM.

JMO

 

[SurfieTX]

If your hinkey meter is already on high alert this should put it up there even a little higher.



I wouldn't be surprised if we are all really stunned at the outcome of this case. Perhaps LE knows that this whole thing was staged to look like an abduction and they are just waiting and collecting evidence before they make their move.

It might explain the lack of searches.

JMO

I agree 110%.

 

[bdawk20]

In the article Joe posted, her dad says people need to "mind their own business". Interesting that he wants their money and their help raising it, but the second anyone questions anything, it's "mind your own business". I also find it interesting that he says if they find her on their own "nobody gets a dime"......well, somebody will get those dimes, because you know they aren't just going to sit in that account for a lifetime. He would be better served to give an indication of what the plan is for those funds if she is not found, found deceased or otherwise, other than "nobody gets a dime". Does he plan to donate the money? What if there is something to the "apparent abductor" quote by LE and by some chance this was staged? There's gonna be $70,000 worth of people looking for their money, and rightfully so.

Her dad says he has been "unable to work" during the last month. Did we ever figure out what he did for work prior to Sam going missing? Wonder if he quit a job or has taken a leave, or what? Certainly not a question anyone would dare ask, because then you'd be a "hater", which it what people seem to be deemed on her fb page when they dare question even the simplest of things......

 

[SurfieTX]

Purely for discussion purposes, suppose this was staged. What would be the motivation for staging an abduction? Why not stage a death instead?

 

[southern_comfort]

Purely for discussion purposes, suppose this was staged. What would be the motivation for staging an abduction? Why not stage a death instead?

You can't come home alive after your death?

 

[bdawk20]

Purely for discussion purposes, suppose this was staged. What would be the motivation for staging an abduction? Why not stage a death instead?

IMO, because if this abduction was staged (for discussion purposes only), the motivation would have to be the reward fund that has subsequently grown to 70,000 dollars. If a death were staged, you'd either need a body (at which point it isn't staged anymore), or solid proof that she couldn't possibly be alive.....a reward fund under those circumstances is usually offered for the capture and conviction of the killer. If you're involved in said staging, nobody's going to be willing to go to jail on a murder charge so your buddy or whoever that "turned you in" can walk with the money...

 

[bdawk20]

Nevermind the fact that when someone actually survives a kidnapping and comes home, there's even more money to be made. People feel bad, and want to give things to allow the person to restart their "new life". Then there are interviews, book deals, etc.