AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #2

[CincinnatiKate]

*snipped with due respect by me*
(she) felt threatened by CB, applied for the restraining order and then became too scared to deal with it.
I dunno...I think CB's Mom doesn't want to believe the worst in her son and she is scared too.

The whole thing is really sad.

With an outspoken father who talks as in a group ("we") and having a currwnt boyfriend I find it more than odd that anyone thinks she was "too scared" to go through with it, had it been true. You don't go to the police (he wasnt arrested in the heat of the moment), file the charges, then walk out the day of the court hearing if you are scared--thats where you are SAFEST, I mean, the next safe place for protection if you don't turn to your father or your boyfriend...

 

[southern_comfort]

With an outspoken father who talks as in a group ("we") and having a currwnt boyfriend I find it more than odd that anyone thinks she was "too scared" to go through with it, had it been true. You don't go to the police (he wasnt arrested in the heat of the moment), file the charges, then walk out the day of the court hearing if you are scared--thats where you are SAFEST, I mean, the next safe place for protection if you don't turn to your father or your boyfriend...

Did she file charges with the police? I must have missed that. I only knew she had filed for a civil protective order.

 

[bdawk20]

Considering Sam's dad alluded to (what we think) are prior sexual assaults, I would imagine one of the things he was talking about had to do with CB.

In my experience you can usually apply Occam's Razor to most of these theories...the simplest answer is usually the correct one. It seems more likely to me that she was assaulted in some way, felt threatened by CB, applied for the restraining order and then became too scared to deal with it. Her father has demonstrated repeatedly through his words she has experienced trauma in her life. She doesn't seem to have a history of false allegations against people (that I've seen in all of the rumor posts--which can be pretty brutal in terms of giving opinions).

I dunno...I think CB's Mom doesn't want to believe the worst in her son and she is scared too.

The whole thing is really sad.

I'm of the opinion that she was cheating on her bf with CB, and when she got caught she blamed it on CB by saying it wasn't consensual to save her a** with her bf. Unfortunately, I have seen that situation play out before with someone I know, and know it happens. At the end of the day. she probably liked CB, at least enough to cheat on her bf with him for months, and did not want him to be prosecuted on a false claim, so she did not follow through with the restraining order. Nevermind the fact that in order to get a restraining order in AK, you need to convince the court that whatever you are seeking the RO for is true, and THAT probably scared her.

 

[bdawk20]

Did she file charges with the police? I must have missed that. I only knew she had filed for a civil protective order.

No, I don't believe that she ever did file charges, but I have to wonder if you can file an RO for a sexual assault without some kind of charges soon to follow.....
I think the lack of charges filed only bolsters the argument that perhaps the claim was not based in fact.

 

[ryanemsmom]

I have been following this case since day 1, and I agree with everyone that thinks something is not right. I don't know Samantha or James personally but I know that there is an out of control drug situation in the Anchorage area, and Alaska in general. I think this stinks to high heaven of drugs. Someone got involved in something, Samantha was taken to "prove a point", then things got out of control and the abductor doesn't know what to do now.

I think that LE and her dad (not sure if he has seen the video or not) know who (if not exactly who) has her. I think the video more than likely shows her recognizing the abductor, then turning to her being horrified at the weapon and the fact that she was being taken. I could see how this could endanger her if it is released to the public, because if they are spooked now it will be 100 times worse if they think they can be pinned down.

Regarding anyone seeing anything the night she was taken, it was dark, sun had set at 5:07, but it was overcast, snowing and windy that day/night. In fact, Anchorage was under a winter weather advisory for blowing snow and wind chill. It was cold, blowing, and snowy, and everyone walking would look huddled up, head down. Not even mentioning the fact that it has been a record breaking snowfall winter and the snow berms on the sides of the road are 6 feet high in some places. The sidewalks are carved out in the middle, so anyone not walking in the road would have a hard time being seen.

 

[isamom]

The only problem I have with this is the fact that James & the other close supporters threw a fit about posts being removed on the original Missing FB profile, such a fit that the admins closed that account. So, how in the world can anybody in their right mind not question why the interview talk/thread was removed? I mean, even if there's bantering going on, at least she's being talked about. They are IMO doing Sam a disservice by not being completely forthright. Enough is enough. I sure hope she's ok bc people are seriously being turned off bc of the stuff going on right now. Remember that first FB account set up to bring awareness to Sam's disappearance? Well it's ironic that her dad & a few others had a problem with negative posts & donation stuff being removed, iirc it was said that James wanted nothing removed, not even negative comments & rumors, bc he thought there could be a shot that a tip would be in one of those comments, etc. Badmouthed the admin that started the page (I myself didn't like how she commented to James but now look - she was right) bc she removed negative rumors & his donation requests, yet he & his admin do the same thing on his Missing profile for Sam?

Pffft... Pot, meet kettle.

I do remember the first page set up for Samantha. See the problem here is everyone does not understand everything that was going on. People can only assume from what they heard or read. You only saw what she wanted you to see. So therefor some people can only base there opinions on what they saw. Not what went on behind the scenes.
Many figured it out. As the new Samantha page is for people to express there feelings, and opinions. What she did was cross the line. Some may not realize that, because they never saw. She would not change the reward amount, even when told. She hid or deleted comments that there was no reason too. She deleted posts from James as well, and the family. She did not just remove rumors, she removed kind comments, she removed helpful comments.
Once she decided to blame her deleting the page because of James and basically made him look bad was the last straw.
People do not realize everything that went on. So I understand some base there opinions on what they "only" saw or heard. But you must know the whole story before you can make a real statement on that issue.
The Please Help Find Samantha page is run by her Dad as well. There are others but he is also one of the ones who is involved in everything.
There are very,very, few posts hidden on the current page. Very few. So it is completely different then the first page. So yes that post was hidden, but everyone that was involved with that post is still able to comment and see it.
When a post turns into a full blown war it is best to hide it. Its not just about a few people bantering back and forth, it was alot more then that. There was no need for it to be shown. Because people are very emotional at this time, and yes it is hard for everyone involved.
So no that page does NOT do the same thing that lady did on her page. She is out of state and it was nice that she wanted to raise awareness. But once she started running that page not in the familys best interest then it needed to be shut down. She wouldn't even let people post about the other Samantha Page. She Refused to update her page with correct info, and yes the family got upset, as anyone would. She also banned people from that site, and banned them from posting.
I understand everyone has an opinion, but I think you have to know the whole story before you can judge the situation.
I am not trying to be rude in this post, I am just clarifying what happened with that issue. Anyways, lets hope and pray we can get Samantha home soon and safe.

 

[southern_comfort]

Boy, this case is totally blowing my naive, romantic view of Alaska.

I'm going to have to find somewhere else to live in my wild frontier fantasies.

 

[ryanemsmom]

I think people forget Anchorage is a city of 300,000 people (almost 375,000 if you include the neighboring Mat-Su Borough. It actually has a similar crime rate for violent crimes. It is similar in population to Cincinnati, Ohio, but has a land area of over 1,700 square miles. That is bigger than the entire state of Rhode Island.

I have lived in Alaska since I was 4 years old, and as any Alaskan will tell you it is the most beautiful place in the world. (I may be biased )

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Boy, this case is totally blowing my naive, romantic view of Alaska.

I'm going to have to find somewhere else to live in my wild frontier fantasies.

When is someone going to start thinking of southern_comfort's needs?

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

I'm of the opinion that she was cheating on her bf with CB, and when she got caught she blamed it on CB by saying it wasn't consensual to save her a** with her bf. Unfortunately, I have seen that situation play out before with someone I know, and know it happens. At the end of the day. she probably liked CB, at least enough to cheat on her bf with him for months, and did not want him to be prosecuted on a false claim, so she did not follow through with the restraining order. Nevermind the fact that in order to get a restraining order in AK, you need to convince the court that whatever you are seeking the RO for is true, and THAT probably scared her.

I guess you guys present a plausible alternative here. For some reason I had it pictured in my head that people were implying she had staged it for revenge, but yeah, this could conceivably happen and be a simple solution to what it's all about as well.

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Sam's Dad just unleased a tirade on the FB Find Sam page:

https://www.facebook.com/FindSamanthaKoenig/posts/347956751915653

He makes no bones about how he feels about CB.

 

[bdawk20]

Sam's Dad just unleased a tirade on the FB Find Sam page:

https://www.facebook.com/FindSamanthaKoenig/posts/347956751915653

He makes no bones about how he feels about CB.

He would be well served to hire a PR person, imo. He honestly thinks that it's ok to "slander" CB based on what he believes to be true, then turn around and actually out-and-out threaten anyone that questions anything about Sam in any way shape or form, accusing them of the same sort of "slander"? WOW, just wow. I don't feel he's coming off very well at all.

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

He would be well served to hire a PR person, imo. He honestly thinks that it's ok to "slander" CB based on what he believes to be true, then turn around and actually out-and-out threaten anyone that questions anything about Sam in any way shape or form, accusing them of the same sort of "slander"? WOW, just wow. I don't feel he's coming off very well at all.

Yeah, I'm sort of sitting here with my mouth open after reading. That's why I didn't comment much...I was having a hard time gathering my thoughts.

He says even more than he thinks he does when he talks.

 

[coeurfragile]

This case is so strange. We aren't any closer to figuring out what happened or where Samantha is. I definitely thought this was going to be one of the ones solved quickly.

Wherever she is out there, I hope Samantha is safe and comes home soon.

 

[southern_comfort]

He's a hothead, but I'll cut him some slack for now.

He probably doesn't know the whole truth surrounding the restraining order... just Samantha's version. She's his angel. And she is missing.

Who cares if he is spending some money he shouldn't be spending? If it bothers you, then don't donate, and let the IRS deal with it.

These people aren't rocket scientists. If this is all some big hoax, it'll be figured out soon enough. Balloon Boy had to come out of the attic eventually. IMO.

 

[isamom]

I read his post too and I have to disagree with some of you. I think I may be one of the ones on this board that many may disagree with.. haha. Sorry. I just am sharing another point of view, I suppose.

There are some very cruel and mean people out there. So many people that have no idea what they are talking about first, second so many that are so quick to judge someone, and unless someone can say this has happened to them, they know what he is going threw then aside from helping and supporting they have no reason to judge him and be so hateful in some of the things they say.

People have made such horrific comments about him and this case, and have said such horrible things, it is un-called for. Dont people think he is already going thru enough? Yeah I am sure he is getting tired of it, he wants his daughter home, he is going on probably little sleep, and dealing with rude, inconsiderate people. I have read them, on ADN and other sites, and my gosh I cant believe people have the nerve to say some of the things they do.

There are so many Wonderful people out there all around the world offering their support, prayers, encouragement, and help. Those people I am sure he will be forever grateful for.

If people don't want to support the family, pray or offer their help then why be involved? Just stay out of it. IMO.
No one knows what is going on with this case except APD/FBI.
I just hope that they are holding back letting the public know certain info for a very good reason and to try and get Sam home safe. They must have their reasons and in good time we will know why.

I also agree with ryanemsmom- Alaska is beautiful. And full of wonderful and caring people. It is also HUGE. To say go start a search, it is just not that easy. If it were there would be searches going on right now. Between Anchorage and the Valley, its very spread out and its just not as easy as oh just go search.
Anyways, I know all your support is appreciated. It is good to hear other peoples ideas, and hopefully someone will speak up or submit a tip and Samantha can get back home to her family.

 

[Knox]

He's a hothead, but I'll cut him some slack for now.

He probably doesn't know the whole truth surrounding the restraining order... just Samantha's version. She's his angel. And she is missing.

Who cares if he is spending some money he shouldn't be spending? If it bothers you, then don't donate, and let the IRS deal with it.

These people aren't rocket scientists. If this is all some big hoax, it'll be figured out soon enough. Balloon Boy had to come out of the attic eventually. IMO.

I wholeheartedly agree. After reading his post, IMO he's at an emotional breaking point and his filter is not functioning properly.

She's responded to him on her page now, it's like a fb tennis match.

CB and his Mom would be wise to bow out and cease making any and all comments regarding Samantha and her Father.

They told their side of the story, now :silenced: :ignore:

 

[ak81]

CB and his Mom would be wise to bow out and cease making any and all comments regarding Samantha and her Father.

They told their side of the story, now :silenced: :ignore:

She had said they did interviews with KTUU and ADN.. the only article that's come out so far was from KTVA (and they called it an "exclusive"). If they DID do more interviews, I'm sure this ugly tennis match will continue in the next week as the other interviews are published.. and this situation could escalate pretty quickly. Hope APD is on it. Doesn't sound like the Birds plan to leave town for a few more weeks. Would probably be best for everyone involved if they left sooner.

 

[joslmaman]

One thing that sticks out to me is with CBs mom. She keeps making these comments implying James is lying. What is she claiming that about? I mean really. The things he discussed were negative comments, his use of reward money, and the fact that sam and cb barely knew each other and had a brief fling. Which of those things is she so adamant about that he's "lying in national news"? It just seems off. IMO

 

[TxLady2]

He would be well served to hire a PR person, imo. He honestly thinks that it's ok to "slander" CB based on what he believes to be true, then turn around and actually out-and-out threaten anyone that questions anything about Sam in any way shape or form, accusing them of the same sort of "slander"? WOW, just wow. I don't feel he's coming off very well at all.

Respectfully... CB is not the one missing. Decent people don't slander missing young women.
I'm sure CB's mom is defending her son and his reputation but Samantha's dad is dealing with that AND trying to find his daughter, worrying day and night about where she is, if she's hurt or cold or hungry. Or that she might be dead.
He's living in a nightmare every day and night. CB is getting his name smeared a little... big deal. His mom is not feeling a tenth of the pain and fear and dread that JK is feeling right now.
I respect others' opinions, but I have a great deal of sympathy for him and a whole lot less for this mother whose son is alive and well.