AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #2

[ak81]

I cannot believe the things she is saying on a public fb profile.
I have a feeling things are thing to get even worse. Wow.

Things are about to get WAY worse.. someone's going to get hurt, IMO. It's getting really ugly.

 

[bdawk20]

I still don't understand Mike (Pedarock) Pedersen's relation to Sam. He lists Sam's mom as his mother-in-law on his FB page. Does anyone else have this figured out??

I think she is his step-mother. I'm not sure "step" anything is an option on fb, and maybe mother-in-law seemed the closest option without using "mother"? Not 100% sure, though.

 

[joslmaman]

I really don't understand why she would continue to talk this way publicly. What does it benefit anyone? If CB has been cleared according to them, they did their interview to share their side of the story, why keep stirring things up?
Maybe I'm just not seeing both sides but to me it seems really bizarre. Almost like she's protesting a bit too much.

 

[bdawk20]

I really don't understand why she would continue to talk this way publicly. What does it benefit anyone? If CB has been cleared according to them, they did their interview to share their side of the story, why keep stirring things up?
Maybe I'm just not seeing both sides but to me it seems really bizarre. Almost like she's protesting a bit too much.

The timing seems to coincide with Sam's dad's scathing post on her "help find" page. I believe she is reacting to what he said, and just like he wants to defend his, she wants to defend hers. I'm not of the opinion that the way anybody's acting is ok, but I think that's what got her going.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Did you read my post regarding this at all? Or no. Just wondering. Or are you also involved with the organization that does those pages?
I do not want to argue, I just would like to say you are completely wrong on your thoughts about this. I am not sure if you are from AK, or if you know any of the people involved but I can tell you that you are off.
I would hope that you would have read my prev. post regarding this issue so you can make a more informed opinion on the issue between pages.
The first page was NOT set up in the best interest of the family. I am not saying the organization is bad, I think it is a great organization, however the admin for this case did not handle this page appropriately. She failed to update the reward amount, banned people, ect.
How can you ban a family member from a page about their family member?
Like I said before you only know what you saw, from what she allowed you to see, not the whole picture.
And like I said before the one post was hidden (Not very many are) was because it wasn't just some arguing it got completely out of control and ended up with a huge fight between people which wasnt needed.
The current page posts the most up to date info. And the number of that page have not got down they actually increase every day.
We just need to get her home safe and sound. Hopefully maybe with the latest offering from the club owner maybe that will trigger someone to do the right thing.
We can only hope and pray.

Hi isamom. I don't wish to argue either, which btw I'm absolutely not wrong, so can we please just agree to disagree? The admin of that original help find samantha koening fb page started an organization for missing people and the fb accounts she sets up on a daily basis shows just how professional she can be. I was the first person on this board to say I didn't like the way JK was spoken to on that page but in all reality she was right to do so. She has a certain criteria that she follows on her "Missing" pages and I applaud her for that. She's a respected member of Websleuths, as well as many many many other forums on the worldwide web. I followed that page and saw for myself. The reason she wouldn't update the reward money was because she's not running a page as an advertisement for a personal reward fund being sought by people from Sam's immediate circle (most especially her father) but he hadn't set the fund up legally as a not for profit with guidelines within legal limitations and proper verbage. I'd have done the same thing if I were her - shut the page down. I was raised to give money, clothes, food - whatever is needed - to those in need without expecting anything in return. I've been proud of myself that for my entire life I've donated to worthy causes, charities, volunteer for various orgs, etc without any hard feelings or regret. I can honestly say that now for the first time in my life I regret donating to a missing person's reward fund - this one. I feel bad for JK and certainly want Samantha found, but with the stuff being handled the way it is I've lost respect and will investigate before ever making this same mistake again. I don't agree with you but respect your opinion. Please respect mine.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

We've seen lot's of mentions about people talking to ADN, but no story?

I have to wonder, why would Sam's brother (as stated by CB's Mom) go to the press (ADN) and tell them certain things about his sister and her Dad? I think there are a percentage of people who feel she left of her own accord. That the whole armed abduction caught by the surveillance video was planned?

I'm hoping he did this for good reasons.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

As a traveler and lifetime resident of Cincinnati. This town is s.m.a.l.l. 6 degrees of separation ???is stretching it--- I would honestly say, that HERE, its closer to 4 degrees. Everyone knows everyone, even if you don't know their name, you know someone who knows them.

I think people forget Anchorage is a city of 300,000 people (almost 375,000 if you include the neighboring Mat-Su Borough. It actually has a similar crime rate for violent crimes. It is similar in population to Cincinnati, Ohio, but has a land area of over 1,700 square miles. That is bigger than the entire state of Rhode Island.

I have lived in Alaska since I was 4 years old, and as any Alaskan will tell you it is the most beautiful place in the world. (I may be biased )

 

[joslmaman]

If all these details she shared via FB are true, the police already know it and I'm sure they're thrilled she shared it all with everyone. Good grief.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If you want to run a page then you should respect the family. In my opinion.

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Anyways, I really don't mean to argue with any one on here. I just have to give my opinion and share my thoughts based on what I know. And I do get upset sometimes when I hear things that people assume when they dont know the entire story. I know there is alot of unanswered questions. I agree with many of you. I don't understand things either. And I hope soon things will make more sense.

Respectfully snipped & bolded by me.

This is where my opinion differs: That original facebook page wasn't set up for the best interest of the family - it was set up for the best interest of Samantha. Those pages sometimes generate leads for le to follow up on. What about if a member of the family is involved? Kwim? Until every single family member is cleared of being involved in Sam's disappearance, the only person the admin of the original site should worry about is the victim herself. I agree with her stance on this.

As far as understanding things, none of us know it all, which is why we communicate with one another. It's healthy discussion. In this last post, you inform there things you don;t understand either, right? Maybe you're getting your info from Sam's family & close inner circle instead of the admin of that original fb page, which would be a biased opinion. Maybe you could ask the admin of that page, that has several for missing people, herself...that way you get both sides of the story.

Please know that I'm only here to help find missing or hidden information that may help le locate Samantha...hopefully alive.

 

[bdawk20]

If all these details she shared via FB are true, the police already know it and I'm sure they're thrilled she shared it all with everyone. Good grief.

I believe LE already knows all about it, jmo. What she said is on her personal fb page that just so happens not to be secured properly against public eyes. I would think LE would be even less thrilled with JK posting obvious threats on what IS a public fb forum, but I believe they may keep letting him talk for a reason. Seems things might be finally be starting to shake loose, we'll see if she can actually get found now. Hopefully.....

 

[joslmaman]

That's what I meant. I'm sure the police already knew it and were keeping it under wraps for a reason if these things were accurate.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I think she she feels and LE and media have assured her/proved to her that her son is truly in the clear...and she is going in for the kill, out of relief and an ---"I told you so attitude".

I don't think she is the happiest woman in the country right now, and misery loves company.

I really don't understand why she would continue to talk this way publicly. What does it benefit anyone? If CB has been cleared according to them, they did their interview to share their side of the story, why keep stirring things up?
Maybe I'm just not seeing both sides but to me it seems really bizarre. Almost like she's protesting a bit too much.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

He would be well served to hire a PR person, imo. He honestly thinks that it's ok to "slander" CB based on what he believes to be true, then turn around and actually out-and-out threaten anyone that questions anything about Sam in any way shape or form, accusing them of the same sort of "slander"? WOW, just wow. I don't feel he's coming off very well at all.

If something happens to CB based off of the threats & slander, JK could be looking at a major lawsuit.

Out of the mouths of the APD themselves:

http://www.ktva.com/home/outbound-x...ance-141257473.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n

Quote:
Police said they had investigated Bird as part of initial investigations but he had never been named as a suspect in the case.
“All you have to do is identify the wrong person and all of a sudden they’re public enemy number one,” said APD spokesman Lieutenant Dave Parker.

 

[joslmaman]

What are you considering "slander" in this situation?

Not a disagreement- just thinking.

 

[bdawk20]

What are you considering "slander" in this situation?

Not a disagreement- just thinking.

When I said "Slander", I quoted it because it is the word JK used in his public threat against CB and apparently anyone else that dare say something he does not believe to be true about Sam.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

For the right tip, The Showboat is yours
Add to the $70,000 or so reward fund to help find missing barista Samantha Koenig one strip club business that could be worth as much as $250,000, courtesy of Terry Stahlman.

That's right, Stahlman, felon, recovering drug addict, fading strip club kingpin and occasional street philanthropist, would like to make this his largest public gift yet. He's retiring, so it's kind of a finale.

He called me last week to tell me about it. His idea: give The Showboat Showclub in Anchorage to anybody who provides police with the information they need to find Koenig, whether she is dead or alive, he said. The tipster has 10 business days from today.

"I want to do something real grandiose," he said. "Get this thing some attention."

The Showboat, housed in a fluorescent green and blue building on Fifth Avenue, is home to six or seven strippers, some as young as 18, who rent the privilege of stripping to their underwear on the premises. Cokes and energy drinks are on offer for $10 to $15 apiece.

"It's a moneymaker," Stahlman said.

I reached Koenig's father James on his cellphone. He said he had no problem with the offer and asked for Stahlman's phone number.
"I don't judge people for their pasts, I've got a past too," he said.

There is, naturally, some fine print. For the first year, the recipient of the business wouldn't pay anything. After that, he'd need to start paying rent and utilities, Stahlman said

Read more here: http://community.adn.com/?q=adn/node/160043#storylink=cpy

:floorlaugh: I guess whatever works, huh? :floorlaugh:

 

[isamom]

Respectfully snipped & bolded by me.

This is where my opinion differs: That original facebook page wasn't set up for the best interest of the family - it was set up for the best interest of Samantha. Those pages sometimes generate leads for le to follow up on. What about if a member of the family is involved? Kwim? Until every single family member is cleared of being involved in Sam's disappearance, the only person the admin of the original site should worry about is the victim herself. I agree with her stance on this.

As far as understanding things, none of us know it all, which is why we communicate with one another. It's healthy discussion. In this last post, you inform there things you don;t understand either, right? Maybe you're getting your info from Sam's family & close inner circle instead of the admin of that original fb page, which would be a biased opinion. Maybe you could ask the admin of that page, that has several for missing people, herself...that way you get both sides of the story.

Please know that I'm only here to help find missing or hidden information that may help le locate Samantha...hopefully alive.

I do respectfully agree to disagree. I will say this, she was asked plenty of times if she could please not ban people or such. And even if she wouldn't mind working with the other page. In respect to her organization she could not post certain things. But she did not want to do that. She said herself she would not update the reward amount until Samantha's father said to. Which he told her to and she still refused to. That is why she did not update it. Then she got upset and then the page got shut down.

I do know both sides of the story for I am closer to this case then most. I will say that. What I do not understand is if she was running the page in the best interest of Samantha then she would have ran it some what differently. For I can tell you that the current page is run how APD/FBI want it run, and hers was not. I do think it was great for her to do, I do respect that organization and think they do wonderful things. So no hard feelings toward her nor the organization. I believe the best thing would have been for both pages to work together had the original page allowed. For the more interest and people aware the better of it would be. I don't understand why when running a missing persons page why you would not want to share any other pages? Was it that big of deal to have 2 pages that are helping?

Anyways, really none of that matters. I agree to disagree and no hard feelings. I just feel the need to defend the current page as you are the original page. For I feel like it was getting somewhat bashed for no reason. And comparisons were starting to be made between the two pages.

Trust me I want nothing more then Samantha to be returned home safe. Maybe I am too close to the situation to be on this board. And therefor I am more defensive. Thanks! Again no hard feelings!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I wholeheartedly agree. After reading his post, IMO he's at an emotional breaking point and his filter is not functioning properly.

She's responded to him on her page now, it's like a fb tennis match.

CB and his Mom would be wise to bow out and cease making any and all comments regarding Samantha and her Father.
They told their side of the story, now :silenced: :ignore:

I totally agree...but I can see where she's coming from, though. I was so dead set against her but now I believe her & can honestly see where she's coming from. These were serious death threats. They were all over his YouTube account, various FB walls, ADN comments on various articles, etc. Personally I think BOTH she & JK need to shut their mouths & quit the attacks, especially now since it's in the laws hands.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If even one of the things CB's mom is saying are true (especially about the $3000), it certainly would open alot more avenues of possibilities to this case.

I believe alot of what she's saying is true.

 

[bdawk20]

I believe alot of what she's saying is true.

Meee toooo.